[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NASCAR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/10/2013 2:13:30 PM EDT
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Don't know if any one heard about the drama Sunday. But what a train wreck for a sport that was once the fastest growing and is now probably losing more fans than any other. First of all, when I was a kid, and we raced, on bike, motorcycles, feet, whatever, the concept of teammates was not even a thought. The fact that you have teammates in racing is purely retarded and simply brings in more money, but does not change the fact that people don't give a shit about your team, but the individually driver. Cheating is ok, just don't get caught. And who the fuck over open airwaves asks a driver to lose on purpose? MWR racing that's who. Used to respect the guy, not anymore. What a joke. I used to like it, before the commentary was a "reality" show. Before they fought like women and house cats.
So to you NASCAR, suck it, I will no longer spend 100 bucks for general admission and be herded to my shitty dirt seats and $10 beers. I can only see 1/4 of the track anyways. Your sport is gay. Your drivers are no longer men, but children who cry when they don't get their way. The overload of sponsorship will cause most to have an epileptic seizure. The competition is weak. It's the same drivers winning every year. 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! |
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Quoted: Don't know if any one heard about the drama Sunday. But what a train wreck for a sport that was once the fastest growing and is now probably losing more fans than any other. First of all, when I was a kid, and we raced, on bike, motorcycles, feet, whatever, the concept of teammates was not even a thought. The fact that you have teammates in racing is purely retarded and simply brings in more money, but does not change the fact that people don't give a shit about your team, but the individually driver. Cheating is ok, just don't get caught. And who the fuck over open airwaves asks a driver to lose on purpose? MWR racing that's who. Used to respect the guy, not anymore. What a joke. I used to like it, before the commentary was a "reality" show. Before they fought like women and house cats. So to you NASCAR, suck it, I will no longer spend 100 bucks for general admission and be herded to my shitty dirt seats and $10 beers. I can only see 1/4 of the track anyways. Your sport is gay. Your drivers are no longer men, but children who cry when they don't get their way. The overload of sponsorship will cause most to have an epileptic seizure. The competition is weak. It's the same drivers winning every year. 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! team orders, especially that stop the race, are bad juju. |
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Don't know if any one heard about the drama Sunday. But what a train wreck for a sport that was once the fastest growing and is now probably losing more fans than any other. First of all, when I was a kid, and we raced, on bike, motorcycles, feet, whatever, the concept of teammates was not even a thought. The fact that you have teammates in racing is purely retarded and simply brings in more money, but does not change the fact that people don't give a shit about your team, but the individually driver. Cheating is ok, just don't get caught. And who the fuck over open airwaves asks a driver to lose on purpose? MWR racing that's who. Used to respect the guy, not anymore. What a joke. I used to like it, before the commentary was a "reality" show. Before they fought like women and house cats. So to you NASCAR, suck it, I will no longer spend 100 bucks for general admission and be herded to my shitty dirt seats and $10 beers. I can only see 1/4 of the track anyways. Your sport is gay. Your drivers are no longer men, but children who cry when they don't get their way. The overload of sponsorship will cause most to have an epileptic seizure. The competition is weak. It's the same drivers winning every year. 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! team orders, especially that stop the race, are bad juju. I understand the rules just fine. I've been watching religiously the last 20 years or more. This is where my anger comes from, a once die hard fan watching a once great sport turn into a pile of shit. So don't assume. |
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... |
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I didn't understand any of this until I saw this video: http://msn.foxsports.com/video?videoid=8a217010-28b9-42cd-9deb-ea1d63f52cb7&src=v5:endslate:titleBar^link:&from=mpl_en-us_FOX_Sports_Story_Inline_nascar I didn't see the race, so this is all I know about it. |
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You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. |
Bring back the USAC Stocks with the good old boys racing on dirt. |
Quoted: Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? |
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NASCAR is using fuel injection there mr knowitall. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? Ya, I like to shit in my own threads 
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/01/11/inside-nascar-fuel-injection-replaces-carburetor.html And I didn't even know they finally replaced the carb. About fucking time. Goes to show how much I care about NASCAR anymore. |
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Quoted: Ya, I like to shit in my own threads http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/01/11/inside-nascar-fuel-injection-replaces-carburetor.html And I didn't even know they finally replaced the carb. About fucking time. Goes to show how much I care about NASCAR anymore. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? Ya, I like to shit in my own threads http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/01/11/inside-nascar-fuel-injection-replaces-carburetor.html And I didn't even know they finally replaced the carb. About fucking time. Goes to show how much I care about NASCAR anymore.  Theyve got all the computerized BS also. |
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NASCAR is using fuel injection there mr knowitall. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Good for you, you dont like NASCAR, there are people that do. Amazing how people like you think they need to shit in a thread, oh wait, its GD....right? No shit. If he actually watched he would know the race was Saturday night, too. |
| NASCAR has been in a steady decline since the mid to late 1990s. And it has been in total free fall the past few years. The NASCAR I grew up watching during the 80s as a kid and the NASCAR that I watched religiously as a teenager in the 1990s isn't even in the same ballpark as the steaming pile of shit that has been the NASCAR of the previous 10 or so years. Dale Earnhardt commented just a couple of years before his death that NASCAR management was "destroying racing". And he was right. It just took a few years of seeing the cumulative results of all of NASCAR's tinkering to realize that. Today I can't even tolerate watching the shit, not even the restrictor plate races. The multi-car team concept is only one small part of the equation that is helping NASCAR to suck royally. There are countless other reasons, many much bigger. Cookie cutter cars, cookie cutter tracks, and cookie cutter drivers are the bigger reasons for the decline in popularity. And perhaps the biggest reason of them all was NASCAR's attempt to "branch out" and not be just a southern thing anymore. In doing so, they abandoned their core support to dance with a new partner that decided to waltz with someone else once the new wore off the experience. They alienated their base and the new age fans quickly became bored and moved on to other stuff, such as MMA. Now they are left with nothing. And you know what? Fuck them. I hope the current NASCAR leadership (i.e. Brian France who took over as CEO from his dad in 2003) crashes and burns and someone new emerges from the ashes to restore stock car racing to what it once was. |
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I wish that every weekend we had a member that would start an official thread on the Nascar race so we could talk about that stuff in real time instead of waiting 3 days to start talking about it. Oh, wait a sec.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527476_Official_NASCAR_in_Atlanta_thread.html&page=1 OP you gonna stop watching football? The line holds on nearly every play. What about those cheating fucks in the NBA who walk or travel all the time. And that fucking Pete Rose, he BET on baseball. You gonna stop watching all that too? Bowyer got caught and they got a penalty, get over it nobody cares if you watch or not. Jim |
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Quoted: Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. for someone arguing against the sport, you sure dont seem to know some fairly important differences between the courses. rain tires have been tested on ovals and the like.. they dont work very well and are insanely dangerous. i believe thats part of the paraphrased burbanite version. i cant seem to find his full explanation. |
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Quoted: yeah, nascar is gayer than 2 boys fucking. has been for a long time. motor racing in USA is pretty lame. oh well they are also trying to start a US version of DTM  |
Football doesn't have cheaters? right
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/08/miami-hurricanes-ncaa-scandals-football-history/1 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292 I could post these all night but I have to pick my nascar fantasy team. |
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I wish that every weekend we had a member that would start an official thread on the Nascar race so we could talk about that stuff in real time instead of waiting 3 days to start talking about it. Oh, wait a sec. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527476_Official_NASCAR_in_Atlanta_thread.html&page=1 OP you gonna stop watching football? The line holds on nearly every play. What about those cheating fucks in the NBA who walk or travel all the time. And that fucking Pete Rose, he BET on baseball. You gonna stop watching all that too? Bowyer got caught and they got a penalty, get over it nobody cares if you watch or not. Jim Football is way better than NASCAR. How could I stop watching football. There are not a bunch of fags wrist slapping each other in the pits because one decided to be mean and trade paint. Back in the old days that was part of racing. And when there was a fight, someone usually came out of the pits with a pipe wrench in hand, not pom poms. |
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Football is way better than NASCAR. How could I stop watching football. There are not a bunch of fags wrist slapping each other in the pits because one decided to be mean and trade paint. Back in the old days that was part of racing. And when there was a fight, someone usually came out of the pits with a pipe wrench in hand, not pom poms. Quoted:
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I wish that every weekend we had a member that would start an official thread on the Nascar race so we could talk about that stuff in real time instead of waiting 3 days to start talking about it. Oh, wait a sec. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1527476_Official_NASCAR_in_Atlanta_thread.html&page=1 OP you gonna stop watching football? The line holds on nearly every play. What about those cheating fucks in the NBA who walk or travel all the time. And that fucking Pete Rose, he BET on baseball. You gonna stop watching all that too? Bowyer got caught and they got a penalty, get over it nobody cares if you watch or not. Jim Football is way better than NASCAR. How could I stop watching football. There are not a bunch of fags wrist slapping each other in the pits because one decided to be mean and trade paint. Back in the old days that was part of racing. And when there was a fight, someone usually came out of the pits with a pipe wrench in hand, not pom poms. OH! based on what you wrote I thought the problem was cheating. I mean you posted that you wrent going to watch it because they were cheaters. I should have known that wasn't the problem. the problem is they dont' fight enough in the pits. mkay. How did I ever not get that? |
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Football doesn't have cheaters? right
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/08/miami-hurricanes-ncaa-scandals-football-history/1 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292 I could post these all night but I have to pick my nascar fantasy team. Hmm I never said that. My thread was about NASCAR and its decline. Pretty sure viewership for College and Pro football is on the rise. Which I might add has nothing to do with my OP. I'm talking about a sport I used to love, but watched it go down hill over the years. That and cheating on the opposition vs cheating your own teammate out of a win is different, yet both fucked up. |
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Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. What planet are you on..."another cup"...WTF ok no I get it you're a whiny bitch that doesn't watch and knows little about it but have your sissy pants on today. |
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you do realize NASCAR now owns ALMS and GrandAm and is making one giant sports car series of them, dont you? they are also trying to start a US version of DTM
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yeah, nascar is gayer than 2 boys fucking. has been for a long time. motor racing in USA is pretty lame. oh well they are also trying to start a US version of DTM
france and co also own AMA superbike. goddamn dynasty of mediocrity..... |
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What planet are you on..."another cup"...WTF ok no I get it you're a whiny bitch that doesn't watch and knows little about it but have your sissy pants on today. Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. What planet are you on..."another cup"...WTF ok no I get it you're a whiny bitch that doesn't watch and knows little about it but have your sissy pants on today. He won a few in his Busch days, is what I was talking about. You guys get more worked up over NASCAR than aborted fetuses, geesh! |
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same thing happened two years ago @ Richmond...
The radio communications proved it...
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If you can't buy it from Advance Auto, O'Reillys, Autozone or the local parts house it ain't stock car racing. Then the manufacturers better start building some awesome cars. Watching a v6 Toyota Camry turn 95mph laps with almost no noise doesn't sound too exciting. |
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I watched it growing up when they actually raced Fords, Chevies, Dodges, Plymouths, Mercuries, etc.
Can't remember then they went to the tubeframe cars but it became pro 'rasslin on wheels a long time ago. I was also watching the 24 Hours of Lemans on ABC Wide World of Sports. I also remember the Cobra Daytona Coupe catching of fire late in the race at Daytona. I don't think it was a 24 hour race then. |
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Don't know if any one heard about the drama Sunday. But what a train wreck for a sport that was once the fastest growing and is now probably losing more fans than any other. First of all, when I was a kid, and we raced, on bike, motorcycles, feet, whatever, the concept of teammates was not even a thought. The fact that you have teammates in racing is purely retarded and simply brings in more money, but does not change the fact that people don't give a shit about your team, but the individually driver. Cheating is ok, just don't get caught. And who the fuck over open airwaves asks a driver to lose on purpose? MWR racing that's who. Used to respect the guy, not anymore. What a joke. I used to like it, before the commentary was a "reality" show. Before they fought like women and house cats. So to you NASCAR, suck it, I will no longer spend 100 bucks for general admission and be herded to my shitty dirt seats and $10 beers. I can only see 1/4 of the track anyways. Your sport is gay. Your drivers are no longer men, but children who cry when they don't get their way. The overload of sponsorship will cause most to have an epileptic seizure. The competition is weak. It's the same drivers winning every year. 5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! Welcome to F1, ALMS, British Touring Cars and WRC. Much better racing. NASCAR turned into a soap opera for rednecks years ago. The network coverage is abysmal thanks to Faux Sports. No reason to watch save the two road course races, Even then half the drivers chicken out because they have to turn right. |
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Hey op. Which nascar track has shitty 100 dollar seats, doesn't let you bring in your own beer for free, and has 10.00 beers? The three races I have been at and are going to this year sure didn't. Most expensive beer I have seen at a nascar race was 7.00 for a 24 ounce Budweiser.
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Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. Quoted:
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5 guys actually racing while 38 other drivers fill in the track while everyone hopes for a collision. Its football season anyways. You know, a sport that isn't canceled by a little rain. Get some rain tires pussies!!! You knock on people that want to see wrecks, but you want them to run ovals in the rain. How ironic... Not exactly, you missed the point. If you follow it enough you will see this to be true, it is always the same guys, no one else is even close, therefore they are filler. There are those who think Dale Jr will be just like his dad, the reality is he will never be good enough to compete with guys like Jimmie Johnson. He is a top ten guy at best, but will likely not win another cup. F1 has been using rain tires since before I was born. Not having the tech or will to do the same for NASCAR is sad. I even saw a televised NASCAR exhibition race in Canada, where they tested rain tires and did just fine. Stop pretending they are "stock" cars. I mean really you are still using carburetors? I think they last time I saw one on a production car was 1985. F1 doesn't race ovals in the rain. Indy doesn't race ovals in the rain, moto GP doesn't race ovals in the rain. Nobody races ovals in the rain, it is to dangerous.
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Cars have never been faster or safer than current production cars. Mustang GT-500s, Challenger SRTs, etc offer performance and safety that Richard Petty et all could only dream about. NASCAR just uses the below line to justify racing their non-cars. Quoted: Then the manufacturers better start building some awesome cars. Watching a v6 Toyota Camry turn 95mph laps with almost no noise doesn't sound too exciting. |
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What has hurt Nascar as much as anything is a decision over a decade ago to promote the drivers as the main draw to the sport over the traditional manufacturers' battles. From the beginning as a Nascar fan you were a Ford man, a Chevy man, a Dodge man, a Plymouth man, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, Mercury, AMC, Hudson, etc... You were a fan of the brand you owned and you thought that the styling differences between brands were things you could own and enjoy the same advantages that styling gave your brand on the race track.
Remember the first vinyl tops and Richard Petty running one because it was better aero, like a golf ball? Remember all Dodge and Plymouth muscle cars that were sold with vinyl roofs? Remember the "wing-back" Chevrolet Impalas and Bel Aires of the late '50s/early '60s? A big aero advantage in the minds of race fans back then and people bought them for that aero advantage. And Ford and Mercury fastback cars of the '60s were big sellers because people saw them on the tracks and knew they could buy the same style cars. And the engines were fan loyalty draws. Super Duty Pontiac. Chrysler Hemi. Chevy 409s and 427s. Ford Boss 429s and 427 side-oilers. Engines that people could buy in their cars and root for cars equipped with similar engines. That ended with the de-emphasis of the auto brands and the emphasis on the drivers. The Car of Tomorrow and the generic nature of the modern cars, where it's the sponsor and the body trim decals that make the difference in the cars' appearance. That drove away as many people as the poor economy has taken out of the stands. And they began shooting for a new fan demographic. No more blue collar fans. Nascar wanted to appeal to the younger yuppie class with all their money in new markets like Chicago, southern California, Las Vegas, Phoenix and the New York and New England metro regions. Many traditional fans have given up on the sport or decided that TV is all they need. Those are people who used to attend several races each year have been priced out of the stands. The younger fans who should be getting to the point of being able to afford that sort of fan following have not been able to afford to take those older fans' place. Seats are empty and it is really showing up on TV this year. Previously they could pretty much hide the empty seating with smart camera work. Now they flat out show the empty seating sections like they're not trying to avoid showing the truth. Sponsorships are down, attendance is down and team participation is down. If things keep on this path, next season may see fewer than 43 teams being fielded at each race due to lack of major sponsors. If Nascar can't generate big excitement, they may even look at dropping races until the economy turns around. When races at tracks outside the south like Fontana, Pocono or Las Vegas can't fill the stands, it's one thing. When tracks like Charlotte, Talladega and Richmond cannot fill all the seats, that's a serious problem with the sport. And that is where Nascar finds itself these days. They are slipping in their traditional markets with their traditional fan base and the new markets and fans they thought they would have are just not their. Can they last long enough find the right formula to turn things around and will the economy be there to support them at that time? |
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Spec racing at its finest. ! I was a kid in the 70's , I grew up watching brands you could identify race. Now they are trying to regulate any innovation out of the sport. Fuck the France family. Until Smoky Yunick is in that shit ass hall if fame I am not going. . Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Hey op. Which nascar track has shitty 100 dollar seats, doesn't let you bring in your own beer for free, and has 10.00 beers? The three races I have been at and are going to this year sure didn't. Most expensive beer I have seen at a nascar race was 7.00 for a 24 ounce Budweiser. Sears point is the track near me. Last time I went it was 90 bucks a seat in the dirt. 10 years ago. First time I went it was 30, which was reasonable. It used to be you could bring your dirt bike and ride on the hills outside. Not anymore, they thought people were enjoying themselves too much. Now you are herded to the lot and have to walk 2 or 3 miles to the track or wait an hour for a shuttle. I am actually going to the phx race, only because I will be there to see my bro, and because I got hooked up with pit passes. But otherwise a failing sport I used to enjoy. |
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NASCAR has been in a steady decline since the mid to late 1990s. And it has been in total free fall the past few years. The NASCAR I grew up watching during the 80s as a kid and the NASCAR that I watched religiously as a teenager in the 1990s isn't even in the same ballpark as the steaming pile of shit that has been the NASCAR of the previous 10 or so years. Dale Earnhardt commented just a couple of years before his death that NASCAR management was "destroying racing". And he was right. It just took a few years of seeing the cumulative results of all of NASCAR's tinkering to realize that. Today I can't even tolerate watching the shit, not even the restrictor plate races. The multi-car team concept is only one small part of the equation that is helping NASCAR to suck royally. There are countless other reasons, many much bigger. Cookie cutter cars, cookie cutter tracks, and cookie cutter drivers are the bigger reasons for the decline in popularity. And perhaps the biggest reason of them all was NASCAR's attempt to "branch out" and not be just a southern thing anymore. In doing so, they abandoned their core support to dance with a new partner that decided to waltz with someone else once the new wore off the experience. They alienated their base and the new age fans quickly became bored and moved on to other stuff, such as MMA. Now they are left with nothing. And you know what? Fuck them. I hope the current NASCAR leadership (i.e. Brian France who took over as CEO from his dad in 2003) crashes and burns and someone new emerges from the ashes to restore stock car racing to what it once was. WRONG..... NASCAR started to die when the Grand National series became 2nd banana. I've been watching since before the 1st fully televised race. |