[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Syrian Response (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/30/2013 9:32:32 AM EDT
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because:
a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? |
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Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. |
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. It's hard to bluff in poker when your hand contains the "instruction" card and a couple of jokers that some asshole forgot to remove from the deck. 
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. What you said (and I highlighted) may be true, however, that doesn't mean that he also wouldn't bluff. and with the number of old, hard-liners, in his govt, I think he could pull it off. And if he isn't bluffing, it could get real in a hurry. |
| Somehow I doubt JugEars has thought that far ahead. Remember, this is a guy who has had virtually everything in life handed to him on a platter because of white liberal guilt. He isn't used to facing any real opposition, so he probably just assumes Russia, Syria, and the rest will just bend over and take it from him. |
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I am expecting Ubana will step back. I just don't think he is strong enough of a leader to take this step alone. He will do this and spin it as having support.... disparage anyone who doesn't support... just like the campaign. And it's not about strength.. it's about his legacy/image. He doesn't have the guts to do anything on legit principle. |
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? This ^^^^^^^^^^^^. Never underestimate your enemy. We may see headlines tomorrow of - U.S. launches against Syria - Russia launches against U.S. American warships sunk / damaged - American aircraft shot down and crews are missing. I don't know the capability of Russian assets in the area but they may get lucky. The entire world knows what Nobama is planning. You can bet the Russians have their version of AWACS already in the air - their satellites have our ships located -etc. There a lot of hands over a lot of buttons right now waiting for the order to push em. Look for subs on both sides to be involved. I have a bad feeling about this one - I hope I'm wrong. |
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? The Russians don't have the capacity to launch the largest naval battle since WWII. They are an empty threat-the Russian Navy has extremely limited access to the world's oceans because Russia suffers the curse of bad geography. They literally have 4 deep sea ports, all of which are severely constrained by access to the seas. Syria is important to them because of the base at Tartus, and Syria is a longtime economic and military partner of Russia. I really doubt Putin is stupid enough to start a naval war with any of our assets in the Med, unless it is a pretext for something else. Obama is so far out of his league, the amateurishness is on blatant display for the whole world to see. |
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. Obama has the heart of a mouse. |
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area---Unlikely, also we would target the personnel and the delivery systems, not the actual chemical stocks.... b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) ------We should have armed the moderate controllable rebels 18 months ago like Patereus and Clinton had advised. If we did AQ and Al nusra never would have grown the way they did.... c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up ---We shouldn't wait for the rest of the world. We have NATO support in Afghanistan and the only thing it did was slow us down and add a layer of bullshit... d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK We don't need the U.N. to make anything OK (ever). The UN security council requires the US/UK/France/Russia and China to all agree on an issue. POTUS has done a bad job on this. We should have armed the rebels and snuffed out Al Nusra while it was still in the crib, if arming and organizing the rebels didn't work then we should have conducted limited strikes so "our" rebels can take over. POTUS should make his case to the American people and stop letting Valerie Jarret call the shots. Never should have said the words red line without the ability to immediately punish on tap... |
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Anyone else think the Sarin Gas was routed through Bengazi?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053988/Gaddafis-chemical-weapons-hidden-despite-pledge-Tony-Blair.html |
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. Obama has the heart of a mouse. Obama is complicit in the deaths of thousands of innocent people via the drone program. He has no problem killing I assure you, nor does he give two fucks about the U.S. personnel his orders or policy will kill. |
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. Huge chance of accidents happening. Say a anti-ship/any kind of missile is fired at a US ship from an area near the Russian Navy port. Do we fire back and risk taking out Russian equipment or personnel? |
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? Your biggest concern is the Russian navy? 
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Anyone else think the Sarin Gas was routed through Bengazi? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053988/Gaddafis-chemical-weapons-hidden-despite-pledge-Tony-Blair.html this would explain a lot about the massive coverup. 
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? Your biggest concern is the Russian navy? Yes. Kerry just said that our solution won't involve "boots on the ground". I think they are saying this to allay fears of placing our boys in harms way. That is, if we 'only' launch missiles, none of our troops will be in harms way. The ruskies have a significant presence in the Med. We have no carrier group there at the moment. Even though we have air bases in the Med, they could put a serious hurt on the ships launching those missiles, and shoot down out aircraft. |
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What you said (and I highlighted) may be true, however, that doesn't mean that he also wouldn't bluff. and with the number of old, hard-liners, in his govt, I think he could pull it off. And if he isn't bluffing, it could get real in a hurry. Quoted:
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. What you said (and I highlighted) may be true, however, that doesn't mean that he also wouldn't bluff. and with the number of old, hard-liners, in his govt, I think he could pull it off. And if he isn't bluffing, it could get real in a hurry. With the Warsaw Pact gone and it's nations absorbed into NATO, Russia would not stand a chance. And half of the former Soviet Union has dissolved away. Some with significant military bases and resources such as the Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia. NATO has to join in if a member is attacked, regardless of the cause. Putin knows this. But of course he will play it for maximum worth. |
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With the Warsaw Pact gone and it's nations absorbed into NATO, Russia would not stand a chance. And half of the former Soviet Union has dissolved away. Some with significant military bases and resources such as the Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia. NATO has to join in if a member is attacked, regardless of the cause. Putin knows this. But of course he will play it for maximum worth. Quoted:
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. What you said (and I highlighted) may be true, however, that doesn't mean that he also wouldn't bluff. and with the number of old, hard-liners, in his govt, I think he could pull it off. And if he isn't bluffing, it could get real in a hurry. With the Warsaw Pact gone and it's nations absorbed into NATO, Russia would not stand a chance. And half of the former Soviet Union has dissolved away. Some with significant military bases and resources such as the Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia. NATO has to join in if a member is attacked, regardless of the cause. Putin knows this. But of course he will play it for maximum worth. None of the former Warsaw pact have nukes. Nor do they give 2-shits about Syria. Also, I don't think BHO has the fortitude to escalate a war w/ the Russians no matter how overmatched they are. |
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. Obama, verbatim: "as president of the United States, I don't bluff." Whoops, fucked that up buddy. As usual, his mouth is miles ahead of any rational thought. |
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Obama, verbatim: "as president of the United States, I don't bluff." Whoops, fucked that up buddy. As usual, his mouth is miles ahead of any rational thought. Quoted:
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Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. Obama, verbatim: "as president of the United States, I don't bluff." Whoops, fucked that up buddy. As usual, his mouth is miles ahead of any rational thought. Alligator jaws...hummingbird ass. |
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Quoted: How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone ever thought that Syria might have assets planted right here in the US in case America really attacks? How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Lots of them look as American as you do.
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How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Quoted:
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Has anyone ever thought that Syria might have assets planted right here in the US in case America really attacks? How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Tour groups. I saw it in a movie recently. 
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? You listened to the woman calling in last night on Savage, didn't you... |
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Quoted: Get real. Putin doesn't want to start the biggest naval battle since WWII. But when you get two enemy forces near each other on alert, mistakes happen. But it does look like muzzle caps are going back on bores, and units are heading back to starting lines. Obama's bluff was called and he backed down. What!?! You mean the world is not rallying to the call of our great leader. Unpossible!  |
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You listened to the woman calling in last night on Savage, didn't you... Quoted:
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So, I've been watching the talking heads blather on and on about how we don't want to attack Syria because: a. We could cause chemical weapon contamination throughout the area b. We could shift the balance of power to the rebels (who are hostile to us) c. The rest of the world isn't stepping up d. We could never get the UN to pass a resolution to make this "OK" It is all about US not causing undue harm on others. Here's my greatest fear from this encounter. Suppose our ships launch a large number of cruise missiles into Syria. Now suppose that Assad's allies decide to stop this attack. That is, the Russians initiate the largest Naval battle since WW2. Now suppose BHO's good buddy (the ex- KGB officer) says that's exactly what he'll do. Think this could give BHO pause in launching such an attack? Think it would cause him to send Kerry out to say that our response will be "Political" instead? You listened to the woman calling in last night on Savage, didn't you... Nope. Only hear Savage by accident, and that didn't happen last night. |
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Has BHO bowed down to Putin yet?
I watched Kerry and as we predicted nothing is going to happen we all knew this, BHO reminds me of lil KIm the dear leader of the Norks, lots of talk, and saber rattling and not a lot of action, unless of course your ex shoots porn, then you better kill her. The best thing that could happen is if we accidentally let a nuke go a wipe the whole damn place off the planet. |
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Quoted: Nobody is going to do shit to us. But It's still stupid to get involved in that shit fuck. I don't want to be aiding Al-Qaeda's effort. Fuck them. |
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Lots of them look as American as you do. Quoted:
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Has anyone ever thought that Syria might have assets planted right here in the US in case America really attacks? How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Lots of them look as American as you do. You do not kow what I look like, and I was being sarcastic. |
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How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? Quoted:
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Has anyone ever thought that Syria might have assets planted right here in the US in case America really attacks? How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? If I was France, I would be more worried. Easy to hide a 5th Column of Syrians in Paris Muslim ghettos. Interesting update today: Syria has emptied their military bases near Damascus including Scuds they might be planning to use against Israel in retaliation for US and French attacks. So just when I was thinking nothing is going to happen this weekend, Assad is dispersing assets. |
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If I was France, I would be more worried. Easy to hide a 5th Column of Syrians in Paris Muslim ghettos. Interesting update today: Syria has emptied their military bases near Damascus including Scuds they might be planning to use against Israel in retaliation for US and French attacks. So just when I was thinking nothing is going to happen this weekend, Assad is dispersing assets. Quoted:
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Has anyone ever thought that Syria might have assets planted right here in the US in case America really attacks? How would they get in? Do Syrians look like Mexicans? If I was France, I would be more worried. Easy to hide a 5th Column of Syrians in Paris Muslim ghettos. Interesting update today: Syria has emptied their military bases near Damascus including Scuds they might be planning to use against Israel in retaliation for US and French attacks. So just when I was thinking nothing is going to happen this weekend, Assad is dispersing assets. If he is dispersing his forces, he may end up foing because he thinks the US is going to strike. Obama may do nothing and Assad may still go all in and attack Israel and others thinking he needs to before he loses those weapons. Unintended consequences of having an amature man child narcassist in he oval office that will not keep his mouth shut |