Posted: 8/27/2013 1:23:47 PM EDT
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Police Officers good shoot?
Store Owner bad shoot? Police Shoot Store Owner OKLAHOMA CITY – Oklahoma City police shoot a liquor store owner and robbery suspect landing both in the hospital, one in stable and the other in critical condition. The liquor store owner police shot, Brett Cude, is now listed in stable condition. Police were originally called to the area of S.W. 44th and May to investigate an assault with a deadly weapon Monday evening.police-shooting-liquor-store While they were investigating that crime, they heard gunshots being fired. Police ran around the corner of the strip mall on the southwest corner of S.W. 44th and May Ave. and saw a man shooting at a vehicle. Police say they ordered that man to drop the gun and when he didn’t comply, they shot him. The vehicle he was shooting crashed about a quarter of a mile down S.W. 44th St. and two men inside the vehicle took off running. One of those men had also been shot multiple times and both were arrested. The suspect who was shot, 32-year-old Tucson Redd, is listed in critical condition. The second suspect, 17-year-old Broderick Ransom, suffered minor injuries as a result of the car crash. Police later figured out the first man they shot, Brett Cude, was the owner of Lucky’s Liquor Store store and he was firing at two suspects who had attempted to rob his store. “The individual that was shooting at the car is a robbery victim, he’s the store owner, he was firing at suspects who had just robbed him, officers did not know that,” OKC Police Capt. Dexter Nelson said. “He didn’t respond to officers when they came around the corner. Therefore he was shot by police.” The suspects were caught near S.W. 47th and Drexel. The two officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. One was a seven-year veteran, the other had been on the force for seven months. |
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Just sounds like a shitty situation all the way around.
I doubt the officer gave him much in the way of commands besides "drop the gun" followed by shooting him with no pause. But it's a crappy situation to run up on Im Sure. Have no shits to give for the guys in the car. |
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Keep in mind, shooting without earpro, the store owner might not of heard commands as his ears were ringing. Quoted:
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The defining factor would be the time between the command and firing. Just one reason shooting at a fleeing vehicle is frowned upon. Keep in mind, shooting without earpro, the store owner might not of heard commands as his ears were ringing. still, if he wasnt shooting at a fleeing car... |
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The defining factor would be the time between the command and firing. Just one reason shooting at a fleeing vehicle is frowned upon. Keep in mind, shooting without earpro, the store owner might not of heard commands as his ears were ringing. still, if he wasnt shooting at a fleeing car... Agreed. |
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Yeah, shooting at a fleeing vehicle isn't the best of choices. It was a bad move by the store owner to pursue the suspects and shoot at them as they fled. In Ohio, the store owner would at that point now be committing a bad shoot legally (although in practicality almost zero fucks would be given). Using the reasonable officer legal standard, it's a good shoot by the police (shots heard, investigated, found a guy actively shooting into a fleeing car). Frankly, it doesn't even matter whether he heard the police order or whether an order was even given (are you really going to wait two or three seconds while you see someone actively trying to kill somebody? No.) This is a teachable moment for business owners / CCWers / anybody not in a uniform. |
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Yeah shooting at a fleeing vehicle is a no-no in about any situation I can think of. For all the LEO's knew, he was shooting at his ex-wife or someone innocent, and they had to do what they had to do when he continued firing. Depends on the state. Some states allow a person to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping with stolen property. In this situation I can't see how else the police could have responded. They heard gun shots and see a guy firing in to a car and then that guy didn't respond to a command to "drop the weapon". Pretty much a shoot first and ask questions later situation. At least the store owner isn't dead. |
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'Good shoots' were had by all. Everybody wins. Owner got to shoot robbers. Robbers get shot and caught. Cops got to shoot somebody. No good guys died. Chris Quoted:
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Yeah, shooting at a fleeing vehicle isn't the best of choices. 'Good shoots' were had by all. Everybody wins. Owner got to shoot robbers. Robbers get shot and caught. Cops got to shoot somebody. No good guys died. Chris 
Fucking hilarious, man. 
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Tucson Redd? What a name for a bandito, eh? 
While I understand the sentiment, shooting at a fleeing vehicle usually isn't prudent. Neither is not putting the gun down when the cops order you to.  This assumes that shouted commands were not plainly pointless. |