[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Getting the Backup Gun Ready (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/17/2013 7:23:44 PM EDT
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Re:article. Currently recommending Hornady Critical Defense? Izzat on a list? I currently recommend any damn thing you can get right now, but Gold Dots are king. Backup is usually a 637 with a bobbed hammer and CT grips. Pocket holster, ankle rig, IWB appendix...whatever fits the need. |
(Or if I'm not feeling so bloody- a S&W BG 380)
G23 w/ M3 light, Winny SXT's, in a goodmedicine custom holster
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| I have a Kel Tec P11 on my ankle everyday, for several reasons. 1. My Instructor, for 4 different classes, told us he was really go to be mad at any of us who died because we needed a backup gun and we did not have one. 2. I wear long pants everyday, because I am an adult :-) , and that makes it very easy to carry an ankle gun. 3. I want to go home alive every night. 4. Almost every instructor I am aware of, suggests this practice, I figure they know more than I do. 5. There really are bad people in this world (I have met a few) and I figure I need every edge I can get. 6. Ankle guns make great loaner guns for competent, but un armed friends. 6. I like 12 more rounds of +P 9mm quickly available, IN A GUN. |
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Seeing as how most CCW holders will never need their gun in their lifetime, I find the obsession over backup guns to be absolutely ridiculous. Quoted:
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I don't carry a backup anything at the moment. Seeing as how most CCW holders will never need their gun in their lifetime, I find the obsession over backup guns to be absolutely ridiculous. Really? I can't even imagine going to get a slurpee at a 7/11 without two pistols(four mags each), a rifle(8 mags in my plate carrier) in hand, and a 3 day assault pack with a shotgun in a sheath on the pack. Its dangerous out there. Go to war or go home. |
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Seeing as how most CCW holders will never need their gun in their lifetime, I find the obsession over backup guns to be absolutely ridiculous. Quoted:
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I don't carry a backup anything at the moment. Seeing as how most CCW holders will never need their gun in their lifetime, I find the obsession over backup guns to be absolutely ridiculous. With the occasional exception, I agree. |
| Most people never have a fire at their house, and yet they have fire insurance and smoke detectors, because not having those 2 things if you need them really sux! I have had 2 fires at home. Most people have never been shot at as a civilian. I have. Play the percentages of life any way you want. Carry or don't carry anything you want. |
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Quoted: Most people never have a fire at their house, and yet they have fire insurance and smoke detectors, because not having those 2 things if you need them really sux! I have had 2 fires at home. Most people have never been shot at as a civilian. I have. Play the percentages of life any way you want. Carry or don't carry anything you want. You have notably bad luck. |
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During the famed Florida FBI shootout I believe one of the agent's firearms was struck with a bullet fired from a suspect's weapon and became inoperable. That agent was killed.
I honestly haven't worked in a back-up firearm to my daily carry. Ankle holsters aren't something I put much faith in, but a small .380 might be worth it at the small of my back in the 6 o'clock position. |
| I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. |
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. I don't think anybody is laughing at you. I live in a small city with little crime but a backup still makes a lot of sense. I just don't have one at the moment. |
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Well, I think you're being a bit absolute. Many factors come into play that dictate what someone can carry and you're not privy to all the different variables that go into other individuals' decision making process when it comes to BUG. |
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. |
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Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. Quoted:
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. Wrong: Read Massad Ayoob or take a class from him or Tom Givens at Rangemaster of Memphis sometime. If you have more experience or better credentials than either one of those two, I would love to hear about it. |
| Exactly what scenarios require a backup gun? Any? If I felt like I'd need a backup gun then I'd probably need body armor too...and a FAK...and more mags...where do you draw the line and why? If you guys want to demonstrate you're not paranoid, give me some scenarios instead of two guns all the time. |
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Wrong: Read Massad Ayoob or take a class from him or Tom Givens at Rangemaster of Memphis sometime. If you have more experience or better credentials than either one of those two, I would love to hear about it. Quoted:
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. Wrong: Read Massad Ayoob or take a class from him or Tom Givens at Rangemaster of Memphis sometime. If you have more experience or better credentials than either one of those two, I would love to hear about it. Frankly I'm shocked that people who profit from gun nuttery pander to gun nuts. 
No really, I think you're an actual nut if you're a regular civilian and you carry two guns all the time. I mean, unless you own a bunch of ATMs or engage in some other very high risk activities. Are you a drug dealer maybe? |
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Exactly what scenarios require a backup gun? Any? If I felt like I'd need a backup gun then I'd probably need body armor too...and a FAK...and more mags...where do you draw the line and why? If you guys want to demonstrate you're not paranoid, give me some scenarios instead of two guns all the time. Yeah, I'm having a hard time envisioning the scenario where a normal guy needs two guns. The only reason you'd need the second gun was either because of a malfunction (you should run away) or your primary weapon has been taken from you (you should serpentine away.) In neither case are you very likely at all to be able to draw a second handgun and return fire if you're actively getting shot at, provided you're not behind cover. And if you are behind cover... wtf are you doing? Seriously, someone make up a scenario where you need your backup gun. Make a bunch of them. I want to hear them. |
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Quoted:The only reason you'd need the second gun was either because of a malfunction (you should run away)
Are you fucking kidding me? Id rather die in a blaze of glory then get shot in the back running away... And yes, before your self proclaimed badassery, I do this for a living. |
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Are you fucking kidding me? Id rather die in a blaze of glory then get shot in the back running away... And yes, before your self proclaimed badassery, I do this for a living. Quoted:
Quoted:The only reason you'd need the second gun was either because of a malfunction (you should run away)
Are you fucking kidding me? Id rather die in a blaze of glory then get shot in the back running away... And yes, before your self proclaimed badassery, I do this for a living. Well obviously a cop isn't going to run away, but that's not what we're talking about here. |
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Well obviously a cop isn't going to run away, but that's not what we're talking about here. Quoted:
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Quoted:The only reason you'd need the second gun was either because of a malfunction (you should run away)
Are you fucking kidding me? Id rather die in a blaze of glory then get shot in the back running away... And yes, before your self proclaimed badassery, I do this for a living. Well obviously a cop isn't going to run away, but that's not what we're talking about here. You have a tank? Are you going to run away? |
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How about this...you're not wearing body armor....by the time you get to your backup gun either the bad guy(s) and/or you have collectively fired 20+ rounds and no one gets hit by then? Must be one of those comedies with guns in it.
If its job related that's different, but frankly I have people to talk to and places to be, I'm not gonna show up kitted out just to hang out or show up at work. |
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Frankly I'm shocked that people who profit from gun nuttery pander to gun nuts.
I will try to educate you as best I can. I have run a business where it did require me to sometimes take the cash proceeds home to safeguard til the next banking day. I have been out with friends or family many times when one or more, who held carry permits, were not carrying for lots of different reasons. That would be called a loaner gun. I live in Memphis, that should be enough said. I have had a firing pin break after the first shot, at the range. Anything mechanical can break. I have had one long term loaded and one short term loaded magazine lock up because 2 or 3 rounds of the brass cased ammo had corroded together. I only carry nickel plated ammo now with more corrosion protection. It is MUCH easier to draw from a seated position in a car from your ankle than from your 4 Oclock posistion on your belt or from your pocket. Go read about the Christian Newsome Knoxville murders or the Witchita Massacre sometime. Please take some pistol classes and please read 1 or 2 of Mas Ayoobs books. Just because you cannot imagine it, does not mean it cannot happen. What you don't know really can hurt you and "You don't know what you don't know". This is America, do anything you want, but I am going to listen to, and learn from the experts. No really, I think you're an actual nut if you're a regular civilian and you carry two guns all the time. I mean, unless you own a bunch of ATMs or engage in some other very high risk activities. Are you a drug dealer maybe? Quoted:
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. Wrong: Read Massad Ayoob or take a class from him or Tom Givens at Rangemaster of Memphis sometime. If you have more experience or better credentials than either one of those two, I would love to hear about it. Frankly I'm shocked that people who profit from gun nuttery pander to gun nuts.
I will try to educate you as best I can. I have run a business where it did require me to sometimes take the cash proceeds home to safeguard til the next banking day. I have been out with friends or family many times when one or more, who held carry permits, were not carrying for lots of different reasons. That would be called a loaner gun. I live in Memphis, that should be enough said. I have had a firing pin break after the first shot, at the range. Anything mechanical can break. I have had one long term loaded and one short term loaded magazine lock up because 2 or 3 rounds of the brass cased ammo had corroded together. I only carry nickel plated ammo now with more corrosion protection. It is MUCH easier to draw from a seated position in a car from your ankle than from your 4 Oclock posistion on your belt or from your pocket. Go read about the Christian Newsome Knoxville murders or the Witchita Massacre sometime. Please take some pistol classes and please read 1 or 2 of Mas Ayoobs books. Just because you cannot imagine it, does not mean it cannot happen. What you don't know really can hurt you and "You don't know what you don't know". This is America, do anything you want, but I am going to listen to, and learn from the experts. No really, I think you're an actual nut if you're a regular civilian and you carry two guns all the time. I mean, unless you own a bunch of ATMs or engage in some other very high risk activities. Are you a drug dealer maybe? |
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Are you fucking kidding me? Id rather die in a blaze of glory then get shot in the back running away... And yes, before your self proclaimed badassery, I do this for a living. Well obviously a cop isn't going to run away, but that's not what we're talking about here. You have a tank? Are you going to run away? I barely ever carry a gun these days. So yeah, running from gunfire seems wise when its not your job to run towards it. |
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I will make this real simple. Almost all the professional trainers I read or hear, or I have been taught by, strongly suggest a back up gun and a 38 +P or 9mm minimum. I hear and read non professionals recomending .380s, .32s, and even .22s, and laughing at back up guns all the time. I think I choose to listen to professionals and to heed their advice. You can listen to anybody you want to, and you can laugh at me all you want. Just because it has NEVER happened to you, does not mean it never will. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Yes I am paranoid and unlucky because I live in a very bad big city that has a real gang problem, and I have been shot at. It is a hardball world. Yeah, they're talking about for COPS. People who certainly WILL draw their firearm and get into physical altercations with people in the course of their careers. Wrong: Read Massad Ayoob or take a class from him or Tom Givens at Rangemaster of Memphis sometime. If you have more experience or better credentials than either one of those two, I would love to hear about it. Frankly I'm shocked that people who profit from gun nuttery pander to gun nuts.
I will try to educate you as best I can. I have run a business where it did require me to sometimes take the cash proceeds home to safeguard til the next banking day. I have been out with friends or family many times when one or more, who held carry permits, were not carrying for lots of different reasons. That would be called a loaner gun. I live in Memphis, that should be enough said. I have had a firing pin break after the first shot, at the range. Anything mechanical can break. I have had one long term loaded and one short term loaded magazine lock up because 2 or 3 rounds of the brass cased ammo had corroded together. I only carry nickel plated ammo now with more corrosion protection. It is MUCH easier to draw from a seated position in a car from your ankle than from your 4 Oclock posistion on your belt or from your pocket. Go read about the Christian Newsome Knoxville murders or the Witchita Massacre sometime. Please take some pistol classes and please read 1 or 2 of Mas Ayoobs books. Just because you cannot imagine it, does not mean it cannot happen. What you don't know really can hurt you and "You don't know what you don't know". This is America, do anything you want, but I am going to listen to, and learn from the experts. No really, I think you're an actual nut if you're a regular civilian and you carry two guns all the time. I mean, unless you own a bunch of ATMs or engage in some other very high risk activities. Are you a drug dealer maybe? You make Memphis sound like Baghdad. |