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8/17/2013 6:35:18 PM EDT
My buddy just inherited this from his dad... any idea what it is?  He will get it next week... just wondering if anyone can tell me more about it before then?





8/17/2013 6:36:32 PM EDT
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Springfield Trap Door
8/17/2013 6:36:52 PM EDT
[#2]
It's pretty.  That's what it is
8/17/2013 6:37:27 PM EDT
[#3]
Pretty sure that is a Springfield trapdoor.  Others will on to either confirm or give more details

8/17/2013 6:37:34 PM EDT
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Probably a .45-70, possible .50-70 - not my area of expertise.
8/17/2013 6:37:48 PM EDT
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Yep.

.45-70 FTW
8/17/2013 6:38:58 PM EDT
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Yup, this
8/17/2013 6:39:32 PM EDT
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Offhand I think it is a Model 1873...again I am a 12ga duck gun kinda guy....

A closer look at the markings and some Google Search fu can help.
8/17/2013 6:41:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Low pressure ammo. It was converted from a muzzleloader for the U. S. Army, designed for Black powder cartridge loads ( 45 caliber, 70 grains Black powder)


High powered hand loads or superperformance ammo will result in unpleasentness.
8/17/2013 6:41:47 PM EDT
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If he wants to fire it I'd do some serious research or have a legit gunsmith check it out for safety. Most likely light blackpowder loads only.
8/17/2013 6:41:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Al Pacino, heat.
8/17/2013 6:43:49 PM EDT
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Low pressure ammo. It was converted from a muzzleloader for the U. S. Army, designed for Black powder cartridge loads ( 45 caliber, 70 grains Black powder)


High powered hand loads or superperformance ammo will result in unpleasentness.
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+1. Don't fire modern loads out of it. BP cowboy loads only.
8/17/2013 6:52:06 PM EDT
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1873 trapdoor Springfield... all sorts of variations but appears to be standard infantry rifle...ancestor to the M16/M4 series weapons...earlier trapdoor variations were converted from Civil War rife/muskets  but later versions(this one) were made new

A top-notch arm of it's day..the quality was impeccable..although use and abuse and black-powder ammo and being sold fukin' cheap as surpus has taken a tally on most surviving specimens  

8/17/2013 6:52:34 PM EDT
[#13]
Overall looks like it is in pretty nice condition.    Have it checked out If you plan on shooting it.    
8/17/2013 6:59:03 PM EDT
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I've read they were kept in National Guard armories well into the 20th Century.  

At one point, the U.S. Govt' sold them off as surplus for a matter of a few dollars each.  While finding one in as good a shape as that one isn't necessarily ultra-rare, it's not that common either.  Many were being used by reenactors as late as the '80s from what I read, but I'm not sure if that's still the case.

That looks like a really nice specimen.  I would baby the hell out of it.  As posted above, that action isn't strong enough for modern smokeless powder loads-black powder only.  

Also, Google "Allen conversion" for more history on the design.
8/17/2013 7:01:09 PM EDT
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Should the new owner decide to play with his inheritance.
There are low pressure smokeless recipes that will provide much shooting pleasure. Can PM info.
Those trapdoors are a lot of fun.
8/17/2013 7:05:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Trapdoor Springfield as mentioned above. Looks in good condition. Get it checked by a 'smith and if it's safe to fire load up some BP and have fun.

Friend of a friend just recently lost one in a fire. Unissued, never fired.
8/17/2013 7:07:42 PM EDT
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Should the new owner decide to play with his inheritance.
There are low pressure smokeless recipes that will provide much shooting pleasure. Can PM info.
Those trapdoors are a lot of fun.
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Yeh...I own and shoot an 1881 vintage version of same thing...like 31.5" non-chromed barrel! ..with 405gr cowboy loads shoots great.
8/17/2013 7:22:36 PM EDT
[#18]
Assault Musket.
8/17/2013 7:24:19 PM EDT
[#19]
I think Pacino used that in Heat..
8/17/2013 7:25:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Double tap.
8/17/2013 7:26:35 PM EDT
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Low pressure ammo. It was converted from a muzzleloader for the U. S. Army, designed for Black powder cartridge loads ( 45 caliber, 70 grains Black powder)


High powered hand loads or superperformance ammo will result in unpleasentness.
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+1