[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Seriously? Stop Sign camera! (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/12/2013 6:15:22 AM EDT
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On top of red-light cameras and speed cameras, some jurisdictions are starting to install stop-sign cameras in their seemingly never-ending quest to monitor drivers and catch them in the act of some ticket-able offense (in other words, revenue collection). California has already rolled out cameras at stop signs. Maryland and the nation's capital could be next.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/stop-sign-cameras-coming-next-to-your-town/ |
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MD and DC are seriously the two stupidest (city and state since I can't use plural of states in this scenario).
They even have mobile cameras for construction sites. Anytime you get near a site, look for a white Jeep Cherokee/Liberty. Usually parked at the *end* of it, will have a bunch of crap on a platform for the front bumper. That's the camera vehicle. If you don't see it, you're good. |
| They tried the cameras in several communities around me for a couple years. All but one or two of them are gone now. It seems that the cost of maintaining the cameras and administering the citations was more than they were taking in. Not surprising at all. But... this type of thing will not even slow down the commies in commie states. |
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They tried the cameras in several communities around me for a couple years. All but one or two of them are gone now. It seems that the cost of maintaining the cameras and administering the citations was more than they were taking in. Not surprising at all. But... this type of thing will not even slow down the commies in commie states. I'm surprised that they didn't keep raising the fine until it was profitable. |
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Hmm, what could this be trying to say? 
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What, obscure your license plate? Pretty sure they don't smile on that - expect a special bonus fine (or worse). Or hit the camera itself? Great public service (ironic, since Gov't is suppose to be public service), but again, defacing law enforcement property no doubt is some kind of special offense as well. |
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What, obscure your license plate? Pretty sure they don't smile on that - expect a special bonus fine (or worse). Or hit the camera itself? Great public service (ironic, since Gov't is suppose to be public service), but again, defacing law enforcement property no doubt is some kind of special offense as well. Quoted:
What, obscure your license plate? Pretty sure they don't smile on that - expect a special bonus fine (or worse). Or hit the camera itself? Great public service (ironic, since Gov't is suppose to be public service), but again, defacing law enforcement property no doubt is some kind of special offense as well. Any unjust law is not a law. An unlawful order is not an order. An unjust arrest is not a lawful arrest. The purpose of these cameras is revenue generation, not safety. Rather than city, state and federal governments becoming more efficient and operating within their means, they simply find ways to invade privacy, tax, fine and collect more revenue. |
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Consent to a search if you have nothing to hide.  Quoted:
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Stop at a stop sign and you'll have no problems. Consent to a search if you have nothing to hide. If you truly have nothing to hide, you should allow camera in every room of your home and in your car right? |
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Any unjust law is not a law. An unlawful order is not an order. An unjust arrest is not a lawful arrest. The purpose of these cameras is revenue generation, not safety. Rather than city, state and federal governments becoming more efficient and operating within their means, they simply find ways to invade privacy, tax, fine and collect more revenue. Actually, we get a lot of complaints in residential neighborhoods about this type of offense Since tickets are a net loss, its not about "revenue" |
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Because networked cameras would never be used to track your movements... It's just for the stop sign... We don't believe that any more. Quoted:
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Stop at a stop sign and you'll have no problems. Because networked cameras would never be used to track your movements... It's just for the stop sign... We don't believe that any more. Your response is interesting, I hadn't considered that and your avatar is very appropriate. It's getting to the point that you can't go anywhere without being "seen". |
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Actually, we get a lot of complaints in residential neighborhoods about this type of offense Since tickets are a net loss, its not about "revenue" Quoted:
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Any unjust law is not a law. An unlawful order is not an order. An unjust arrest is not a lawful arrest. The purpose of these cameras is revenue generation, not safety. Rather than city, state and federal governments becoming more efficient and operating within their means, they simply find ways to invade privacy, tax, fine and collect more revenue. Actually, we get a lot of complaints in residential neighborhoods about this type of offense Since tickets are a net loss, its not about "revenue" The answer therefore is raise the fine and lessen the "commission" to the company who owns the cameras. 
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The answer therefore is raise the fine and lessen the "commission" to the company who owns the cameras. Fines are set by the state, not the court or the agency. The state sets the range of fines that can imposed, and they'd have to go up quite a bit to cover costs. The state hasn't gone back into the law books to raise a lot of dollar amounts that are years out of date. Criminal charges are often based on the dollar value of the item. Accident reports are predicated on the dollar amount of the damage caused in the accident. These are just two examples where inflation has had a toll that the Legislature hasn't addressed. Of course, they also keep sections of law on the books years after court rulings have invalidated the section. NYS has been rated as having the least efficient state Legislature of any state |
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Fines are set by the state, not the court or the agency. The state sets the range of fines that can imposed, and they'd have to go up quite a bit to cover costs. The state hasn't gone back into the law books to raise a lot of dollar amounts that are years out of date. Criminal charges are often based on the dollar value of the item. Accident reports are predicated on the dollar amount of the damage caused in the accident. These are just two examples where inflation has had a toll that the Legislature hasn't addressed. Of course, they also keep sections of law on the books years after court rulings have invalidated the section. NYS has been rated as having the least efficient state Legislature of any state Quoted:
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The answer therefore is raise the fine and lessen the "commission" to the company who owns the cameras. Fines are set by the state, not the court or the agency. The state sets the range of fines that can imposed, and they'd have to go up quite a bit to cover costs. The state hasn't gone back into the law books to raise a lot of dollar amounts that are years out of date. Criminal charges are often based on the dollar value of the item. Accident reports are predicated on the dollar amount of the damage caused in the accident. These are just two examples where inflation has had a toll that the Legislature hasn't addressed. Of course, they also keep sections of law on the books years after court rulings have invalidated the section. NYS has been rated as having the least efficient state Legislature of any state From the governor on down. Rotten to the core.
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I'm surprised that they didn't keep raising the fine until it was profitable. Quoted:
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They tried the cameras in several communities around me for a couple years. All but one or two of them are gone now. It seems that the cost of maintaining the cameras and administering the citations was more than they were taking in. Not surprising at all. But... this type of thing will not even slow down the commies in commie states. I'm surprised that they didn't keep raising the fine until it was profitable. Tennessee is not quite as commie as other places. There are max fines for all violations. |
In my opinion, stop signs are misused in most of the places they are placed. Yield signs would made traffic flow a whole hell of a lot better. Do I really need a sign to tell me to stop at a T intersection when I can see if somebody is coming for half a mile for example?  A yield sign functions as a stop sign when necessary. I'm not saying stop signs don't have their uses, but it is completely unnecessary to come to a complete stop in many many intersections throughout the country and all it does is serve to make drivers violators and to make people waste fuel.
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In my opinion, stop signs are misused in most of the places they are placed. Yield signs would made traffic flow a whole hell of a lot better. Do I really need a sign to tell me to stop at a T intersection when I can see if somebody is coming for half a mile for example? A yield sign functions as a stop sign when necessary. I'm not saying stop signs don't have their uses, but it is completely unnecessary to come to a complete stop in many many intersections throughout the country and all it does is serve to make drivers violators and to make people waste fuel.Amen. |
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I have absolutely no problem with this as I detest people who do not stop at red lights or stop signs. Arm the cameras with automatic canons for all I care.  I find it very interesting that people are so willing to give up their freedom to travel anonymously in order to catch a few bad apples. Those cameras are capable of more than just sending tickets to naughty people. They record you and your travel patterns and who you travel with. That information might be valuable to someone. Maybe even sold to advertisers for a profit. Is it fair that someone uses you and your information for profit? How are you compensated for that? I know there are some people who might think its a great idea to have advertisements customized just for them and they like to be told what to buy, when to buy it and how much. And if its for the children and you got nothing to hide then it must be good. |
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Get rid of stop signs and use roundabouts. They're trying that in some places here, but you don't have enough space in residential neighborhoods for roundabouts The other issue is that most people don't know HOW to merge in a roundabout, so they become de facto stop signs anyway because so many people freeze up while trying to enter them. |
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Actually, we get a lot of complaints in residential neighborhoods about this type of offense Since tickets are a net loss, its not about "revenue" Quoted:
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Any unjust law is not a law. An unlawful order is not an order. An unjust arrest is not a lawful arrest. The purpose of these cameras is revenue generation, not safety. Rather than city, state and federal governments becoming more efficient and operating within their means, they simply find ways to invade privacy, tax, fine and collect more revenue. Actually, we get a lot of complaints in residential neighborhoods about this type of offense Since tickets are a net loss, its not about "revenue" Yep, we have a stack of residential patrol requests. I even have people tell me I can sit in their driveways to run radar/observe stop signs. |
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Because networked cameras would never be used to track your movements... It's just for the stop sign... We don't believe that any more. Quoted:
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Stop at a stop sign and you'll have no problems. Because networked cameras would never be used to track your movements... It's just for the stop sign... We don't believe that any more. ACLU warns of mass tracking through license plate scanners |
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I find it very interesting that people are so willing to give up their freedom to travel anonymously in order to catch a few bad apples. Those cameras are capable of more than just sending tickets to naughty people. They record you and your travel patterns and who you travel with. That information might be valuable to someone. Maybe even sold to advertisers for a profit. Is it fair that someone uses you and your information for profit? How are you compensated for that? I know there are some people who might think its a great idea to have advertisements customized just for them and they like to be told what to buy, when to buy it and how much. And if its for the children and you got nothing to hide then it must be good. Quoted:
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I have absolutely no problem with this as I detest people who do not stop at red lights or stop signs. Arm the cameras with automatic canons for all I care. I find it very interesting that people are so willing to give up their freedom to travel anonymously in order to catch a few bad apples. Those cameras are capable of more than just sending tickets to naughty people. They record you and your travel patterns and who you travel with. That information might be valuable to someone. Maybe even sold to advertisers for a profit. Is it fair that someone uses you and your information for profit? How are you compensated for that? I know there are some people who might think its a great idea to have advertisements customized just for them and they like to be told what to buy, when to buy it and how much. And if its for the children and you got nothing to hide then it must be good. Do we have freedom to travel anonymously? Not via commercial transporation and probably not via public. You can walk, ride a bike or drive a car anywhere you want, but that's it. There are still red-light cameras. I think they are effective at proving someone could have commited a crime by placing them in the area at the time. These cameras don't bother me. |
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Red light cameras traffic cameras speeding cameras cameras on school buses to catch people going around cameras on stop signs license plate scanners When does it end? cameras to catch jaywalkers cameras to catch littering cameras/audio to catch profanity It will never end-it will only get worse as it has been........................... |
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In my opinion, stop signs are misused in most of the places they are placed. Yield signs would made traffic flow a whole hell of a lot better. Do I really need a sign to tell me to stop at a T intersection when I can see if somebody is coming for half a mile for example? A yield sign functions as a stop sign when necessary. I'm not saying stop signs don't have their uses, but it is completely unnecessary to come to a complete stop in many many intersections throughout the country and all it does is serve to make drivers violators and to make people waste fuel.Then you run into the tards who the think yield and merge are the same thing. |
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Hmm, what could this be trying to say? I believe our friend DV8 is an advocate of the environment and believes we should all do our part towards properly insulating our abodes. He also feels that rusted metal is a waste of resources and a protective coating of paint will save money. Yup, I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to say. |