[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ATF Confiscating Drop-In Auto-Sears (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/30/2013 6:16:02 AM EDT
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Manassas, VA --(Ammoland.com)- Agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF, have begun confiscating gun parts known as drop-in auto sears, or DIAS. A DIAS is a simple toggle device which, when installed in an AR-type rifle, along with several other critical fire-control parts, can convert a semi-auto AR into a full-auto assault rifle. The devices were originally unregulated, but in 1981 ATF declared them to be machineguns if possessed in conjunction with the other parts needed to make a conversion, but the agency made their new determination apply only to DIAS’s manufactured after November 1, 1981. Now ATF is apparently using the records of a man who openly sold the devices for decades to track down purchasers and take their property as contraband – with the real possibility of then prosecuting those people. Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/07/atf-confiscating-drop-in-auto-sears/#ixzz2aXQSvsRD Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook http://www.ammoland.com/2013/07/atf-confiscating-drop-in-auto-sears/#axzz2aXQE1fDj I'm not a big fan of Jeff Knox he has a habit of "making stuff up" or exaggerating a story. YMMV |
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I guarantee you that there are a metric fuckton of unregistered machineguns in the US.
What's curious is not that they exist, which they almost certainly do, and in significant enough numbers. What's curious is that they're never used in crimes. That one makes you go, "Hmmm..." |
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I guarantee you that there are a metric fuckton of unregistered machineguns in the US. What's curious is not that they exist, which they almost certainly do, and in significant enough numbers. What's curious is that they're never used in crimes. That one makes you go, "Hmmm..." I suspect a lot of them are not used period. Full auto friendly ranges are not real common. |
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I guarantee you that there are a metric fuckton of unregistered machineguns in the US. What's curious is not that they exist, which they almost certainly do, and in significant enough numbers. What's curious is that they're never used in crimes. That one makes you go, "Hmmm..." They're far too valuable to use in a mere crime. There's a better use for them. |
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Quoted: You still need the full auto trigger group. Quoted: Quoted: What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. |
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They're far too valuable to use in a mere crime. There's a better use for them. Quoted:
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I guarantee you that there are a metric fuckton of unregistered machineguns in the US. What's curious is not that they exist, which they almost certainly do, and in significant enough numbers. What's curious is that they're never used in crimes. That one makes you go, "Hmmm..." They're far too valuable to use in a mere crime. There's a better use for them. Yeah the other reason has just not stepped off yet. |
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Quoted: You still need the full auto trigger group. Quoted: Quoted: What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. |
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing ETA: the parts work in unison, that DIAS is there to catch the hammer and hold it until the BCG locks back into place |
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but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing This. |
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. The DIAS basically takes the place of the autosear. You don't have to have the little hole above the safety selector so that you can use it in multiple AR lowers. |
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Quoted: but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing ETA: the parts work in unison, that DIAS is there to catch the hammer and hold it until the BCG locks back into place Quoted: Quoted: Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing ETA: the parts work in unison, that DIAS is there to catch the hammer and hold it until the BCG locks back into place I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. |
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I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. Quoted:
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing ETA: the parts work in unison, that DIAS is there to catch the hammer and hold it until the BCG locks back into place I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. That is highly illegal, as ATF considers ANY installed M16 part, aside from the carrier, to be a no-no. Some people will use de-milled M16 hammers in a 9mm due to the profile on the front of the hammer. |
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I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. Quoted:
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. but semi guns do not have the trigger, hammer and selector. without those a DIAS does absolutely nothing ETA: the parts work in unison, that DIAS is there to catch the hammer and hold it until the BCG locks back into place I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. nope 
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Quoted: That is highly illegal, as ATF considers ANY installed M16 part, aside from the carrier, to be a no-no. Some people will use de-milled M16 hammers in a 9mm due to the profile on the front of the hammer. Quoted: Quoted: I thought M16 trigger group parts without the autosear were somewhat common, especially on 9mm builds. That is highly illegal, as ATF considers ANY installed M16 part, aside from the carrier, to be a no-no. Some people will use de-milled M16 hammers in a 9mm due to the profile on the front of the hammer. |
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. The DIAS takes the place of the auto sear in an AR-15 lower (one that doesn't have the little hole drilled above the selector lever). All the other M16/full auto parts--hammer, trigger, selector, and full auto bolt carrier--can go into a semi lower without modification. A full auto disconnector can't go in a semi lower unless the holes for the auto sear pin are drilled. A DIAS drops inside the receiver and works as a auto sear without modifying the lower. Take it out and even with the other full auto parts the AR will be semi-only. |
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You still need the full auto trigger group. Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. and the filed down firing pin... |
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And I thought the whole shelf thing came into play. "?" Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. I've seen pictures of DIAS. There is no way one would fit in any of my lowers between the pin and the shelf. There's not even enough room there for 1/2 and earplug to tighten up the upper. |
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maybe these folks should all chip in a few hundred bucks for a lawyer who'll go after the ATF and their declared non-ability to make determinations such as the "grandfathering" of certain classes of firearms... ETA: until the 86 ban is overturned, ALL firearms are at risk of confiscation as "machine guns". |
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maybe these folks should all chip in a few hundred bucks for a lawyer who'll go after the ATF and their declared non-ability to make determinations such as the "grandfathering" of certain classes of firearms... never happen, both houses of congress have abdicated their responsibilities. |
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maybe these folks should all chip in a few hundred bucks for a lawyer who'll go after the ATF and their declared non-ability to make determinations such as the "grandfathering" of certain classes of firearms... ETA: until the 86 ban is overturned, ALL firearms are at risk of confiscation as "machine guns". No shit! How many sears did he sell in the past 30yrs? That would add up to a good bit of money, cheaper than them each hiring their own attorney, lol. |
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Then what does a DIAS do if you still need the entire full auto group? I thought as long as you had an M16 trigger, hammer, and selector it would drop in and make it full auto. Quoted:
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What parts do you need to go full auto other than a DIAS? I was under the impression it was literally just "drop in" if you had a M16 style carrier. You still need the full auto trigger group. The DIAS replaces the need for the third hole and the M16 auto sear. |
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I suspect a lot of them are not used period. Full auto friendly ranges are not real common. Quoted:
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I guarantee you that there are a metric fuckton of unregistered machineguns in the US. What's curious is not that they exist, which they almost certainly do, and in significant enough numbers. What's curious is that they're never used in crimes. That one makes you go, "Hmmm..." I suspect a lot of them are not used period. Full auto friendly ranges are not real common. I hear full auto at least once per week out here on the BLM ranges here in Colorado. |
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Quoted: He was busted a while back, They are now tracking all the buyers. Quoted: Quoted: The guy selling them from shotgun news? He was busted a while back, They are now tracking all the buyers. We always figured the ATF placed that ad to fish for bubbas. It wasn't until he was busted that I found out it was for realz. |
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We always figured the ATF placed that ad to fish for bubbas. It wasn't until he was busted that I found out it was for realz. Quoted:
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The guy selling them from shotgun news? He was busted a while back, They are now tracking all the buyers. We always figured the ATF placed that ad to fish for bubbas. It wasn't until he was busted that I found out it was for realz. Same here, when I first started lurking I thought I saw a post about them here wondering if it was real or a trap and I thought a member here got one and said it was fine. I could be wrong thought as this was back around 2004 or so |
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Quoted: We always figured the ATF placed that ad to fish for bubbas. It wasn't until he was busted that I found out it was for realz. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The guy selling them from shotgun news? He was busted a while back, They are now tracking all the buyers. We always figured the ATF placed that ad to fish for bubbas. It wasn't until he was busted that I found out it was for realz. |
