Posted: 10/25/2002 7:53:40 PM EDT
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Hee haw, let's sign up and go defend the border ourselves! [:D] [url]http://www.ranchrescue.com/arizona.htm#hawk[/url] |
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Wolf, a while back illegal aliens were dying by the scores in the deserts in Arizona, New Mexico and West Texas. We came up with the idea of water stations and bean licks.(like a range block for cows). Only they were heavily laced with Valium. That way the Border Patrol only would have to check the lick stations and toss the unconscious wets in the back of the Broncos. It never quite caught on. Lebrew |
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Quoted: Wolf, a while back illegal aliens were dying by the scores in the deserts in Arizona, New Mexico and West Texas. We came up with the idea of water stations and bean licks.(like a range block for cows). Only they were heavily laced with Valium. That way the Border Patrol only would have to check the lick stations and toss the unconscious wets in the back of the Broncos. It never quite caught on. Lebrew Damn!!! Where do I send my check!!!?? |
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The legalities are the same as if you were to shoot a kid for coming onto your property after their ball, or if you were to shoot the drunk on your porch trying to fit his key in your lock, or if you were to shoot the couple making out on your private road in the country. If they are not threatening you with imminent bodily harm, I would assume you have no right to kill them. I also doubt you could shoot them if they refuse to be detained by you either. While I understand and respect property rights, I think private citizens taking direct action to "solve" a public policy problem is dangerous. The "statement" made by these folks is an interesting bit of political theater though! I wonder why the ranch rescue folks charge an annual fee for "membership" in the organization. Is this some kind of legal/liability coverage issue? |
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Quoted: While I understand and respect property rights, I think private citizens taking direct action to "solve" a public policy problem is dangerous. Well someone better do something quick, the government doesn't seem all that concerned. I have emailed them and asked them for details, I will post it when I get it. |
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Quoted: The legalities are the same as if you were to shoot a kid for coming onto your property after their ball, or if you were to shoot the drunk on your porch trying to fit his key in your lock, or if you were to shoot the couple making out on your private road in the country. If they are not threatening you with imminent bodily harm, I would assume you have no right to kill them. Dscott, I wouldn't be too sure about that. If I recall correctly Texas has some rather broad reaching laws regarding the use of deadly force for the protection of one's life AND property. I'm sure some of our resident Texans will chime in on the subject |
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Quoted: Quoted: While I understand and respect property rights, I think private citizens taking direct action to "solve" a public policy problem is dangerous. Well someone better do something quick, the government doesn't seem all that concerned. I have emailed them and asked them for details, I will post it when I get it. I think the list of public policy problems is so long, who would know where to start? What I would imagine is that someone will get injured or killed and then the lawyers will get rich... and people will still come to this country to work and send money back to their families. I just don't see that as a good long-term solution to this problem. I think you have to commit to reducing the demand (the low-wage jobs) that drives illegal immigration. It's ust like drug use- there will always be suppliers as long as there are users... |
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Quoted: The legalities are the same as if you were to shoot a kid for coming onto your property after their ball, or if you were to shoot the drunk on your porch trying to fit his key in your lock, or if you were to shoot the couple making out on your private road in the country. Not exactly. In the case of illegal immigrants, your talking about an ongoing felony being committed in your presence. Check your state laws about shooting fleeing felons who resist a lawfull arrest. |
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Wolfpack, Az use of force laws state that one can use the THREAT of deadly force to protect property, but NOT the actual USE of deadly force. Ranch Rescue is NOT about hunting or hurting people, we aim to deter criminal trespassers from entering private property. The media loves to use the word "vigilante", they must be unaware of what real vigilantes do. But than again we know their track record for truth don't we. I personally would not be pleased if someone pointed a weapon at a trespasser, UNLESS that person actually felt threatend. USUALLY the presence of armed individuals is all the "force" needed to gain compliance from the typical trespasser. Drug smugglers are another matter entirely. Just the other week one of our teams intercepted almost 300lbs of drugs that were being "muled" on private property. If we encounter illegal immigrants on private property they will be given water if thirsty, food if hungry, a blanket if cold, BUT THEY WILL GO HOME via USBP shuttle service. RanchRescue is not an immigration reform group, just a private property rights advocate. When the administrations that control the Fed and local agencys let the guys in the field do their jobs RR will no longer have a "mission", that will be fine by me. We are always looking for law abiding levelheaded individuals to help out. Regards Biggame223 (Az Volunteer Coordinator) |