[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Soviet manned lunar program... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/2/2013 8:23:39 AM EDT
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So, I was watching Attack of The Moon Crabs, aka Apollo 18, last night and it got me thinking: Is it possible that the Commies could've made it to the moon? Perhaps clandestinely, after we broadcast our first landing to everyone and their dag.
Could an LK crew have made it there and back, or is it more likely that there's just a boatload of dead cosmonauts up there? |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race.
Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. |
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Their N1's had this minor problem with blowing up. yep. ol Sergei didn't figure it out before dying during hemorrhoid surgery. I don't think there was any "figuring it out". That design was the absolute peak of baseless optimism in rocketry. I don't even think it would work with today's technology. Pure Super Mario level plumbing nightmare. |
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First time I've seen it, but it looks pretty cool. http://battlezone1.com/ |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. 
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. It's a nice way to get over the shame of having come in second place on many of the early milestones in the space race, but I don't think it's much more than that. |
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I too am a veteran of that campaign. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. LOL No shit. That isn't even close to being true. Sounds good from a propaganda position though some 50 odd years later. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. LOL No shit. That isn't even close to being true. Sounds good from a propaganda position though some 50 odd years later. There's a clip from "The Right Stuff" that sums it up nicely... 
The Fuckup Fairy was on staff at NASA in the early years. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. LOL No shit. That isn't even close to being true. Sounds good from a propaganda position though some 50 odd years later. I heard it from a person who was in the aerospace industry among other stories of daring and amazing feats, most of which were to inspire us to learn our diff.eq.s and other Calculi ETA: of course this is antithetical: space.com |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. I recall reading there was a military rocket test that would come very close to achieving what Sputnik did, but Eisenhower wouldn`t allow it because he didn`t want to militarize space. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. I've also heard that we could have beaten Sputnik, but Ike held back our early satellite launches. He wanted the Soviets to be the one to establish the precedent that it was OK to overfly other countries with a satellite, something Ike knew we needed to do to determine the Soviets military capabilities. ETA: Air & Space had an article concerning failures in their manned program. It mentioned coms picked up that might have indicated that Gagarin was the first man to travel in space and successfully return, but not the first. |
| I find it baffling that we now use a Soviet-era rocket design some 40+ years old (Soyuz) to send our astronauts to the ISS. Makes you wonder why we stopped ghe Apollo applications projects, the Apollo 1B never suffered the multiple failures the Soviets had. Sure we lost Apollo 1, but how many Cosmonauts have been lost? Two shuttle crews came after our rocket program ended. |
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I find it baffling that we now use a Soviet-era rocket design some 40+ years old (Soyuz) to send our astronauts to the ISS. Makes you wonder why we stopped ghe Apollo applications projects, the Apollo 1B never suffered the multiple failures the Soviets had. Sure we lost Apollo 1, but how many Cosmonauts have been lost? Two shuttle crews came after our rocket program ended. Someone's going to go out on google to find out, and they're going to come back with info from "The Lost Cosmonauts" site. That site is complete bullshit though. The most basic fact checking will show this. |
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Why not the Nazi’s made it!
http://secretnazimoonbase.blogspot.com/ Here’s a documentary on it:
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Good thing Amercia smuggled in all those Nazi rocket engineers just before the end of WWII. 
Those Nazi bastards just came here to continue their work and were afraid of what the Russians would do to them after they gave them the rockets. American space program, built by Nazis. |
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Looking at their hardware, I don't see how they could have landed on the moon, much less gotten back to Earth. All they lacked was the rocket, and all they really lacked in the rocket was the motors. They just couldn't produce single engines as large as those we used on the Saturn V. That's why the ass end of the N1 looks like a finale cake on the fourth of July with 30 dinky little guys all trying to work together. It was just a plumbing and engineering nightmare. |
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Looking at their hardware, I don't see how they could have landed on the moon, much less gotten back to Earth. All they lacked was the rocket, and all they really lacked in the rocket was the motors. They just couldn't produce single engines as large as those we used on the Saturn V. That's why the ass end of the N1 looks like a finale cake on the fourth of July with 30 dinky little guys all trying to work together. It was just a plumbing and engineering nightmare. We could make something like that work today (coughFalcon9heavycough) but the electronics and controllers weren't advanced enough then. The N1 was unmanagable. |
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Good thing Amercia smuggled in all those Nazi rocket engineers just before the end of WWII.
Those Nazi bastards just came here to continue their work and were afraid of what the Russians would do to them after they gave them the rockets. American space program, built by Nazis. Your point? |
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So, I was watching Attack of The Moon Crabs, aka Apollo 18, last night and it got me thinking: Is it possible that the Commies could've made it to the moon? Perhaps clandestinely, after we broadcast our first landing to everyone and their dag. Could an LK crew have made it there and back, or is it more likely that there's just a boatload of dead cosmonauts up there? Could not make it. They only had so many aerospace engineers - what their defense dept didn't use, mostly was involved in the "Konkordski" TU-144 effort, which actually resulted in 2 completely different airplanes. They had the grunt to do a manned lunar program, or their SST - but not BOTH. |
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Quoted: Good thing Amercia smuggled in all those Nazi rocket engineers just before the end of WWII. Those Nazi bastards just came here to continue their work and were afraid of what the Russians would do to them after they gave them the rockets. American space program, built by Nazis. Yep....and they did a fantastic fucking job. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. I recall reading there was a military rocket test that would come very close to achieving what Sputnik did, but Eisenhower wouldn`t allow it because he didn`t want to militarize space. Ike was always a stupid jackass. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. I recall reading there was a military rocket test that would come very close to achieving what Sputnik did, but Eisenhower wouldn`t allow it because he didn`t want to militarize space. This article explains it pretty much as things were reported as I was growing up. An Army Redstone military ballistic missle derivative, the Juno/Jupiter C, could have launched a satellite first but for political reasons it was decided tha the Vanguard Rocket, a derivaiveof the Navy's non military Viking Rocket, would carry the first American satellite into space. Afte a few embarrasing failures, the Army was given the green light and the Jupiter C Launched the first American Satellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_(rocket) |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. ....but not true. I recall reading there was a military rocket test that would come very close to achieving what Sputnik did, but Eisenhower wouldn`t allow it because he didn`t want to militarize space. You mean the US Army's Project Orbiter? Yeah, I would say it was fully capable of putting the first US satellite in orbit. 
They went with the Navy's Project Vanguard instead, but the goal of both programs was to launch a civilian scientific satellite. |
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Good thing Amercia smuggled in all those Nazi rocket engineers just before the end of WWII.
Those Nazi bastards just came here to continue their work and were afraid of what the Russians would do to them after they gave them the rockets. American space program, built by Nazis. Your point? Seriously? People are bashing on the Russians for their poor rocket design and how much better Americas space program was. My point being Americans didn't build a space program, we imported Nazi scientists to do it for us. Now, it did take Amercan balls to ride on top of those things, which I would not have done. Quoted:
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Good thing Amercia smuggled in all those Nazi rocket engineers just before the end of WWII.
Those Nazi bastards just came here to continue their work and were afraid of what the Russians would do to them after they gave them the rockets. American space program, built by Nazis. Yep....and they did a fantastic fucking job. Yes they did. |
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I find it baffling that we now use a Soviet-era rocket design some 40+ years old (Soyuz) to send our astronauts to the ISS. Makes you wonder why we stopped ghe Apollo applications projects, the Apollo 1B never suffered the multiple failures the Soviets had. Sure we lost Apollo 1, but how many Cosmonauts have been lost? Two shuttle crews came after our rocket program ended. Someone's going to go out on google to find out, and they're going to come back with info from "The Lost Cosmonauts" site. That site is complete bullshit though. The most basic fact checking will show this. It does seem highly plausible that Gagarin wasn't the first to actually make it up there. They had enough failures (as did we) that the odds of getting it right on the first try seem...unlikely. |
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I find it baffling that we now use a Soviet-era rocket design some 40+ years old (Soyuz) to send our astronauts to the ISS. Makes you wonder why we stopped ghe Apollo applications projects, the Apollo 1B never suffered the multiple failures the Soviets had. Sure we lost Apollo 1, but how many Cosmonauts have been lost? Two shuttle crews came after our rocket program ended. Someone's going to go out on google to find out, and they're going to come back with info from "The Lost Cosmonauts" site. That site is complete bullshit though. The most basic fact checking will show this. It does seem highly plausible that Gagarin wasn't the first to actually make it up there. They had enough failures (as did we) that the odds of getting it right on the first try seem...unlikely. Perhaps, but the "Lost Cosmonaut" stories are the commonest tall tales in that vein, and they're clearly bullshit. Propaganda. "Those stupid Russians couldn't do it without a pile of corpses to show for it!" Sour grapes. |
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The Soviets were never that close to a moon landing. They never got their heavy booster (the N1) working, even after working on it well into the 1970's. Even had they got the N1 working, their plan was fairly dicey. It required an EVA to transfer a single crewman into their lunar module.
Really once we got into the Gemini program the Soviets fell well behind and never caught up (at least as far as a manned lunar program). |
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This is a hilarious thread since i just watch one of their rockets blow up on TV about 20 seconds ago. Hell they still can't build a reliable rocket. To be fair, it could be argued that Soyuz has a better track record than the shuttle program.  Actually, the deaths per flight works aout about the same. The Shuttle killed more but the Shuttle flew alot more too. |
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So I heard a story about the start of the space race. Allegedly, we knew that the Russians were going to send up the Sputnik and we had our own satellites waiting on the "launch pad"ready to go. We could have beat them, but president Eisenhower and his command decided to let the Russians get there first as a catalyst to get America to give their full support to our own space program. Sounds plausible. Sounds like something somebody would tell themselves to feel better about getting one-upped. I'm sure we could have been the first if we'd taken it more seriously. |