[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LSD / Psychedelics (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 5/25/2013 10:16:45 PM EDT
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What say you, GD, about LSD and the psychedelic experience?
Is it a dangerous drug leading to inevitable hippie-dom and new-age mush-brain liberal gun-grabberness? Or is it a tool that, when used properly, can open the mind up to powerful personal and transcendental insights into one's rote modes of thought and behavior, leading to personal growth and therapeutic benefits? Or both, or neither, or something else entirely? Discuss. http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/08/0269881112439253.abstract http://www.psychedelic-library.org/ |
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What say you, GD, about LSD and the psychedelic experience? Is it a dangerous drug leading to inevitable hippie-dom and new-age mush-brain liberal gun-grabberness? Or is it a tool that, when used properly, can open the mind up to powerful personal and transcendental insights into one's rote modes of thought and behavior, leading to personal growth and therapeutic benefits? Or both, or neither, or something else entirely? Discuss. http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/08/0269881112439253.abstract http://www.psychedelic-library.org/ I knew a guy who did it who said he had a powerful personal and transcendental insight into his rote modes of thought and behavior, except he forgot everything after he came down. |
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What say you, GD, about LSD and the psychedelic experience? Is it a dangerous drug leading to inevitable hippie-dom and new-age mush-brain liberal gun-grabberness? Or is it a tool that, when used properly, can open the mind up to powerful personal and transcendental insights into one's rote modes of thought and behavior, leading to personal growth and therapeutic benefits? Or both, or neither, or something else entirely? Discuss. http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/08/0269881112439253.abstract http://www.psychedelic-library.org/ You're going to get dog piled by the moral crusaders. |
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What say you, GD, about LSD and the psychedelic experience? Is it a dangerous drug leading to inevitable hippie-dom and new-age mush-brain liberal gun-grabberness? Or is it a tool that, when used properly, can open the mind up to powerful personal and transcendental insights into one's rote modes of thought and behavior, leading to personal growth and therapeutic benefits? Or both, or neither, or something else entirely? Discuss. http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/08/0269881112439253.abstract http://www.psychedelic-library.org/ I knew a guy who did it who said he had a powerful personal and transcendental insight into his rote modes of thought and behavior, except he forgot everything after he came down. I remember a tale from a college acquaintance who reported that while tripping on LSD one night he suddenly discovered the meaning of life. Not wanting to lose the epiphany after coming down, he furiously scribbled down his new found insights and understandings onto a notebook for hours, nearly filling fifty pages with his LSD 'wisdom' before finally zonking out. Upon waking, he sought out the notebook repository of transcendental insight and opened it breathlessly, eager to absorb the wonderful esoteric knowledge of universal one-ness. Naturally the notebook was nothing more than unintelligible scribbles. Perhaps there's a deeper meaning to that tale, I can't be sure. |
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I'll always believe that acid was beneficial for me, as well as being FUN... lol
It's a cliché now I guess, but it really did open my perception of things. I took it maybe 10 times, but honestly I think 3 was plenty. For me anyway. Shrooms, many many more times than that. Similar effect, but not the same, if that makes sense. Not the sense of thinking more clearly afterwards, shrooms were just for fun. I wouldn't recommend either to anyone though. Very, very powerful and not for everyone. |
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I'll always believe that acid was beneficial for me, as well as being FUN... lol It's a cliché now I guess, but it really did open my perception of things. I took it maybe 10 times, but honestly I think 3 was plenty. For me anyway. Shrooms, many many more times than that. Similar effect, but not the same, if that makes sense. Not the sense of thinking more clearly afterwards, shrooms were just for fun. I wouldn't recommend either to anyone though. Very, very powerful and not for everyone. My feelings are pretty much identical. I took it 4 times at the age of 19, and I feel it opened my eyes to some of my hangups and insecurities. A valuable experience, but certainly not for everyone, and definitely one that should not be repeated too many times. I'm sure we all know of some wastoid LSD burnouts that can barely repeat their own name. |
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I knew a dude that learned how to play guitar in one night via the use of LSD. And he wasn't half bad, either.
http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-heretic Over the course of the preceding year, IFAS researchers had dosed a total of 22 other men for the creativity study, including a theoretical mathematician, an electronics engineer, a furniture designer, and a commercial artist. By including only those whose jobs involved the hard sciences (the lack of a single female participant says much about mid-century career options for women), they sought to examine the effects of LSD on both visionary and analytical thinking. Such a group offered an additional bonus: Anything they produced during the study would be subsequently scrutinized by departmental chairs, zoning boards, review panels, corporate clients, and the like, thus providing a real-world, unbiased yardstick for their results.
In surveys administered shortly after their LSD-enhanced creativity sessions, the study volunteers, some of the best and brightest in their fields, sounded like tripped-out neopagans at a backwoods gathering. Their minds, they said, had blossomed and contracted with the universe. They’d beheld irregular but clean geometrical patterns glistening into infinity, felt a rightness before solutions manifested, and even shapeshifted into relevant formulas, concepts, and raw materials. But here’s the clincher. After their 5HT2A neural receptors simmered down, they remained firm: LSD absolutely had helped them solve their complex, seemingly intractable problems. And the establishment agreed. The 26 men unleashed a slew of widely embraced innovations shortly after their LSD experiences, including a mathematical theorem for NOR gate circuits, a conceptual model of a photon, a linear electron accelerator beam-steering device, a new design for the vibratory microtome, a technical improvement of the magnetic tape recorder, blueprints for a private residency and an arts-and-crafts shopping plaza, and a space probe experiment designed to measure solar properties. Fadiman and his colleagues published these jaw-dropping results and closed shop. At a congressional subcommittee hearing that year, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy grilled FDA regulators about their ban on LSD studies: “Why, if they were worthwhile six months ago, why aren’t they worthwhile now?” For him, the ban was personal, too: His wife, Ethel, had received LSD-augmented therapy in Vancouver. “Perhaps to some extent we have lost sight of the fact that it”—Sen. Kennedy was referring specifically to LSD here—“can be very, very helpful in our society if used properly.” |
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I know that a lot of research is being done with treatments using MDMA for things such as PTSD from things like war, and sexual assault etc.
Clinical trials have been completed in the US, Switzerland, and Spain with positive results showing in the long term studies (74 months). These studies were double blind, and placebo controlled. Let the moral police dog pile if they will. These things have potential to help. MDMA Clinical Trials research This is not the "ecstasy" people buy at raves which contains some MDMA this is pure lab grade MDMA. A different beast altogether. I feel that if there is potential for helping people overcome physiological issues then it should be explored in a controlled manner. What if solving all of our returning soldiers PTSD issues was a simple as giving them a pill derived from a tree? |
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I get it. I registered in 2013. If that's a problem, feel free to ignore this thread entirely. |
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I get it. I registered in 2013. If that's a problem, feel free to ignore this thread entirely. Don't worry about it. Nothing to contribute so we thread shit. Its the Arfcom way! 
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I ate acid once......
For about two years in high school. I was shy and kind of a push over before. After just a couple times it was like a light switch. I was a lot more social. Not just in the getting my dick sucked area, but I was able to relate with my parents and make friends easier. I had no issue talking to someone else first, an attribute I never really had before. It also taught me self respect. In middle school I was kind of a pushover. That resulted in people picking on me. After the switch was flipped, I gave one of my most common and most feared aggressors a pretty hefty beat down. People still tried to fuck with me for a couple months, but after multiple fights it stopped and suddenly all of those kids wanted to be my friend. Literally in just a couple months I went from being the guy with only 10 or so friends that you shoulder checked in the hallway, to the guy everyone liked that you didn't ever want to fuck with. I was also more motivated to do physical activity. I started going camping, lifting weights, and started eating as healthy as I could. I wouldn't say it made me smarter, but it definitely increased my motivation to learn more about topics I was interested in as well. I don't know how to explain it, but things I normally didn't give a shit about fascinated me. History was the prime example. I didn't give a shit about what the Constitution said, or what brought about WWI, but after that humanity's past intrigued me. It really did open up my mind. I would say it made me a lot more logical and 100% changed me for the better. I probably.ate it about 100 times from my freshmen to sophmore year, and then one day it was like a light switch flipped again and I suddenly didn't feel like doing it again. I truly think I would have turned out to be a soft liberal otherwise. That said, I do know someone that it started a rapid transition to leading the life of a fuck up though. It's not for everyone and to be fair he didn't have problems until he got on other drugs. |
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And maybe this is the thread to ask....
What ever happened to Quaaludes? A wonderful hypnotic the few times I got to try them. I recall some vague outrage about being a "disco" drug, and then they just vanished. Really one of the most pleasant and enjoyable dopes I ever tried. And then, boom! Gone. What happened there? |
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I'm guessing this is not his first time around. We were assured that he is not a retread fairly recently. This thread explains a few things. I'm happy to clear things up for you. 
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Ok, I don't get it. Wiki says (I know I know) that LSD has no negative long-term effects, and is not addictive. Why is it illegal? Makes no sense. It is addictive for certain people, like anything else is. And for certain people it's a very bad idea for them to ever be exposed to LSD. Very bad. It's an extremely strong drug. |
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Haven't done any since 72, I have no idea what kind of crap is out there now. I never had any bad trips. Closest I ever came was taking a 4 way hit of window pane. Just couldn't believe that a cleat little piece .125, by maybe .030, could possibly need to be cut into 4 pieces.
That was one wild ride. I've had times when I've wondered if I was ever going to get back to normal, but usually when peaking. I have no idea what it does to you. But the Drug classes I gave in the Military, about having Flash Backs id Bullshit. I had a guy in one of my sessions, claim that was just sitting some where. Several weeks after doing some LSD, and all of a sudden he was in a total flash back Said he saw a Tiger jump out of the wall, after him. Everyone in the class laughed. Hell back then I kept waiting to have one, for a trip. Never happened I haven't done any Illegal drugs since the 70's. Hell don't even drink anymore. I would be very afraid about what's on the street now. Back then It was about the high, not the price. Stuff was cheap, and good. Ah the things people do when they are young. Funny now I wouldn't take anything ever offered to me Oh, Unlike Bill Clinton I DID INHALE, back then. 
Only thing I take now are the Med's the VA gives me. 63 is a little old to go tripping. It would probably totally freak me out now!!! The only trips I take now are in my F150 
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Ok, I don't get it. Wiki says (I know I know) that LSD has no negative long-term effects, and is not addictive. Why is it illegal? Makes no sense. LSD is a pure (powerful) psychedelic and should not be used recreationally, at least in my opinion. I'll put it another way. People that are psychologically dependent on walls of denial to keep them sane don't do so well with LSD, which tend to shatter those walls of denial and present the person with a semi-objective view of themselves (i.e., something like an "epiphany," though one that is involuntary and potentially quite painful). You might also say that some people are just waiting for a shove in the direction of schizophrenia or psychosis, and LSD is not for them. So, some of these people go insane while tripping and start manifesting delusional behavior, i.e. "Look! I can fly!" These cases of LSD freakouts and deaths / suicides get publicized, the establishment gets concerned about the effects of LSD on their damn hippy kids who are protesting the Vietnam war and buying into Commie propaganda, and PRESTO! Nixon invents the DEA. |
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I've only done mushrooms and I've done them 3 times. The first time, I had brief moments of the euphoria that comes with a good trip of mushrooms. The second time was an amazing experience. Just plain fun. I listened to Crack the Skye by Mastodon and it was great. The third time I took some with a bud. We both puked. He took them before I did and also took more. This was the night that Israel recently bombed Syria. The big bada boom. Anyway, he was in his room feeling awful and I was just ok. The visuals were light and the feeling was very neutral. Anyway, I saw the video and went in to his room to tell him that "Israel nuked Syria." At that point he believed he was the universe and him doing shrooms made that happen. He won't touch them anymore. |
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Ok, I don't get it. Wiki says (I know I know) that LSD has no negative long-term effects, and is not addictive. Why is it illegal? Makes no sense. LSD is a pure (powerful) psychedelic and should not be used recreationally, at least in my opinion. I'll put it another way. People that are psychologically dependent on walls of denial to keep them sane don't do so well with LSD, which tend to shatter those walls of denial and present the person with a semi-objective view of themselves (i.e., something like an "epiphany," though one that is potentially quite painful). You might also say that some people are just waiting for a shove in the direction of schizophrenia or psychosis, and LSD is not for them. Yep. In simpler terms, go into it strung tight, you're in for a night of hell. Go into with an open mind and you will have fun and might learn something. That said, people with pre-existing mental health issues have been outright cured by LSD use, but some have become worse. There's just no way of knowing which way it will go since LSD is so dependent on the ingestor's frame of mind. |
| I took acid (small 1/4" square paper) twice and shrooms twice all while in HS. Other than seeing tracers, fancy colors, and feeling like a million bucks, I can't say I had a life altering experience. Ironically, I soured on taking drugs shortly after that. No real reason, just lost interest. Haven't touched anything illegal since. |
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Imagine the miniscule single dose and the magnitude of the effect on the brain's chemistry. Then imagine some shade tree chemist trying to get the dose exact for distribution. Too risky.
I'd tell someone to find a controlled lab environment in academia if they were mentally stable. |
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Imagine the miniscule single dose and the magnitude of the effect on the brain's chemistry. Then imagine some shade tree chemist trying to get the dose exact for distribution. Too risky. I'd tell someone to find a controlled lab environment in academia if they were mentally stable. True enough, but the Red Dragon, Mickey Mouse, Froot Striped stuff worked well enough...
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| I personally couldn't give two shits about what people choose to ingest; it's none of my business. With that said, I don't think any drugs are beneficial. I have heard that LSD can cause an epiphany, but I would rather stick to my current state of mind without taking a chance of tripping out. |