[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bullfighting? (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 5/9/2013 8:50:57 AM EDT
| I have always wanted to go see a bullfight. Thought about going to Mexico, but...it's Mexico. Probably going to go to Spain at some point. How many of you have seen a bullfight and what did you think about i? |
| Killing a mal-nourished bull for entertainment is little bothersome to me, if it is going to die kill it quickly and efficiently as possible. I am not saying ban it, I'd just choose to spend my time and money elsewhere. If you are in it for spectacle and the possibility of seeing someone maimed why not use a large predatory animal instead of livestock. |
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Killing a mal-nourished bull for entertainment is little bothersome to me, if it is going to die kill it quickly and efficiently as possible. I am not saying ban it, I'd just choose to spend my time and money elsewhere. If you are in it for spectacle and the possibility of seeing someone maimed why not use a large predatory animal instead of livestock. Pretty much agree. Support events (bullfighting, dog fighting, cock fighting, etc) where animals are abused for the sake of your entertainment doesn't make you more of a man. Go spend your time and money elsewhere. ETA: the culture classes that support this type of activity are made up of lowlifes and dirtbags. |
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This is something I want to do and will do. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about the "idea" of bullfighting, especially if they haven't seen a bullfight. I've watched several on film but never live. The history of the sport, the traditions, cultural significance and the tactics (It's like baseball....in that regard)....are of interest to me. I certainly don't compare it to animal on animal fighting sports which I would tend to agree are low life magnets of the highest order. Men die nearly every year fighting bulls and have for centuries so it's not exactly equivalent. |
| I am pretty sure you can find a no kill bull fight in Texas.. I have watched a few in California a couple years ago. They always had a game where 6-8 guy line up and when the bull charges they would all dog pile the bull and take it down.. Well that's the goal anyways. I have seen a bunch of guy get mucked out pretty good. |
| I saw a bullfight when I was in Spain. I thought it was cool and enjoyed the one I saw but I don't think it's something I could watch all the time. It was fun being in that atmosphere but I did feel bad for the bulls. One of the bulls did get revenge and got the fighter pretty good. An ambulance had to come on and take him off. |
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Saw a bullfight in Mexico. Didn't realize they actually kill the bull since all I'd ever seen of bullfights was what they show on TV here. Pretty interesting to watch. The matador was a bit of an amateur and he missed the bull's heart on the final stab, instead hitting the lungs and causing the bull to start exhaling massive amounts of blood... the crowd all started to leave en masse at the point. Most interesting part of the event was when some of the refreshment vendors in the crowd started a brawl, and next thing I knew there were like 10-20 police officers with machine guns arresting them all.  |
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I saw a bullfight when I was in Spain. I thought it was cool and enjoyed the one I saw but I don't think it's something I could watch all the time. It was fun being in that atmosphere but I did feel bad for the bulls. One of the bulls did get revenge and got the fighter pretty good. An ambulance had to come on and take him off. Thinking of going to Spain for this very reason, and of course to see Spain but one of my primary reasons for going will be to see a bullfight. May even go for the running of the bulls.... As far as "sword fighting" goes, I was unaware Col. Cooper was queer but then you learn so much from the young folks on Arfcom these days.....knowing as much as they do about EVERYTHING. |
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<snip> As far as "sword fighting" goes, I was unaware Col. Cooper was queer but then you learn so much from the young folks on Arfcom these days.....knowing as much as they do about EVERYTHING. The public school indoctrination is very effective, as evidenced by many of the posts here. 
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it!  I wonder how many of the weepers have ever seen the kill floor in a slaughter plant? I have, many times. I still enjoy a good steak and don't shed a tear over my grill.... |
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Killing a mal-nourished bull for entertainment is little bothersome to me, if it is going to die kill it quickly and efficiently as possible. I am not saying ban it, I'd just choose to spend my time and money elsewhere. If you are in it for spectacle and the possibility of seeing someone maimed why not use a large predatory animal instead of livestock. Agreed. I detest "bullfighting". Wanna show what a man you are to a [healthy] bull? Ride the bastard or even better, play rodeo clown with it. Btw... I love many historical and cultural things that came from Spain. Bull fighting is NOT one of them. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I wonder how many of the weepers have ever seen the kill floor in a slaughter plant? I have, many times. I still enjoy a good steak and don't shed a tear over my grill.... I don't know your age, but I'd bet the vast majority of those who shriek hysterically over the "real world" and its normal unpleasantness are <25. The agenda marches on . . . *And they don't even know they have been brainwashed.
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I don't know your age, but I'd bet the vast majority of those who shriek hysterically over the "real world" and its normal unpleasantness are <25. The agenda marches on . . . *And they don't even know they have been brainwashed. Mid 40's. It's amazing to me the ways in which this country has changed in just my lifetime, very little of it good.... |
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Quoted: It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! LOL!!!!! I am not gonna argue for or against. But the idea that a dude with his heart pounding and a bull charging at high speed is going to thrust a sword into the animals heart, every time, seems crazy. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several times before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. |
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The bull gets a chance to kill the matador. That's much more of a honorable death than any slaughterhouse... Bullfighting is an awesome old world tradition and it needs to be preserved. Give the matador a 6" blade and let him do ALL the piercing up close and personal... then I'll call it even. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! LOL!!!!! I am not gonna argue for or against. But the idea that a dude with his heart pounding and a bull charging at high speed is going to thrust a sword into the animals heart, every time, seems crazy. Watch the videos. The vast majority of the time it goes as intended. The skill of doing it efficiently is why the matador makes big bucks and lives a storied life. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several time before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. No they don't. The pierces at the base of the neck (forget the name) are done in preparation for the matador. They weaken the neck muscles, which is necessary in order for the matador to have a chance. The kill is done ONCE--and very expertly. Watch one, they are all over the 'net. |
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Bullfighting is not at all like dogfighting or cockfighting. It's not a competition between two bulls. It's more like a ritualized slaughter.
Sometimes the matador gets killed. Sometimes the bull is spared if it fights especially well. If I was bovine, I would definitely prefer to live the life of a fighting bull. The average cow that lives on a shitty farm for a couple of years then goes to a slaughterhouse to end up as an anonymous package of ground beef. A fighting bull is treated well for 5 or 6 years, then goes out as the star of an epic battle. Maybe gets to gore some people, and then when you die they mount your head on the wall. |
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The bull gets a chance to kill the matador. That's much more of a honorable death than any slaughterhouse... Bullfighting is an awesome old world tradition and it needs to be preserved. Give the matador a 6" blade and let him do ALL the piercing up close and personal... then I'll call it even. Go cry somewhere else, nancy. 
Sorry if your delicate sensibilities are offended. The matador IS up close and personal. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several time before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. That's true. But it has to be taken in context, bulls are built to fight each other and sustain serious injuries doing it. What we think would suck big (getting stuck a bunch of times with swords) may not affect a bull much. They probably get more distressed when they realize they are getting too tired to keep charging. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several time before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. No they don't. The pierces at the base of the neck (forget the name) are done in preparation for the matador. They weaken the neck muscles, which is necessary in order for the matador to have a chance. The kill is done ONCE--and very expertly. Watch one, they are all over the 'net. And also spend 10 minuts spearing the bull... |
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The bull gets a chance to kill the matador. That's much more of a honorable death than any slaughterhouse... . Give the matador a 6" blade and let him do ALL the piercing up close and personal... then I'll call it even. have you been around bulls? I wouldnt step into the ring with anything less than a armored tank... and it better be a heavy tank at that 
they arent nice animals... a Matador with a sword and fancy foot work is just barely on par with a bull lol ETA: I was only speaking above about the comparison to slaughter houses and how the process of bull fighting was similar and just as quick... nothing alike IMO... and like I said I dont have a knife in the fight |
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Went to one in Juarez (wasn't Beirut on the Rio back then) when I was a kid. As previous members stated, it was definately full of pomp and ceremony, which was impressive to a youth. Finely dressed horsemen, loud trumpets over the speakers, then the bullfighter himself.
I do remember seeing the bull get the better of things a few times. He startled one of the horse riders mounts pretty bad, who then bucked the rider over the wall into the crowd. 1st matador missed from the onset and the crowd turned on him. Boos threw his concentration for the second go around and he got stomped a few times. 2nd and 3rd matadors had no probs. I remember it being cool because it was one of the few times all my uncles (dad's family from Florida, Moms from Juarez) all got together. Cheers, lots of tecate (for them) and mexican coca cola (for me), followed up by going back to my uncles for a bbq. I remember them kidding me by asking me if I knew where the meat came from. Of course I said "the store", but they said it was the bull that lost...so I said "cool I want more!" I'm sure my folks got pictures somewhere. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I wonder how many of the weepers have ever seen the kill floor in a slaughter plant? I have, many times. I still enjoy a good steak and don't shed a tear over my grill.... I don't know your age, but I'd bet the vast majority of those who shriek hysterically over the "real world" and its normal unpleasantness are <25. The agenda marches on . . . *And they don't even know they have been brainwashed. I agree. PC is running rampant even on this site. It is a cultural tradition that has been around for centuries and though not my thing I am not against it in any way nor do I think less of indivduals who enjoy it. |
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have you been around bulls? I wouldnt step into the ring with anything less than a armored tank... and it better be a heavy tank at that
they arent nice animals... a Matador with a sword and fancy foot work is just barely on par with a bull lol I HAVE been around plenty of them. They are monsters. Guys here ride 'em, rope 'em, and "play" with them. And we even EAT them! But they don't stick a blade in them and let them bleed-out a bit before fighting them. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several time before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. No they don't. The pierces at the base of the neck (forget the name) are done in preparation for the matador. They weaken the neck muscles, which is necessary in order for the matador to have a chance. The kill is done ONCE--and very expertly. Watch one, they are all over the 'net. If they take several piercings at the base of the neck prior to being killed, how can you say the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced? ETA: I'm not saying I'm completely against traditional Spanish bullfighting, just wondering how you reconcile your two statements. |
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That didn't take long. This is something I want to do and will do. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about the "idea" of bullfighting, especially if they haven't seen a bullfight. I've watched several on film but never live. The history of the sport, the traditions, cultural significance and the tactics (It's like baseball....in that regard)....are of interest to me. I certainly don't compare it to animal on animal fighting sports which I would tend to agree are low life magnets of the highest order. Men die nearly every year fighting bulls and have for centuries so it's not exactly equivalent. I would wait for a big event one in Spain, I went to a low rent one in Puerto Vallarta and it wasn't very good. I would advise you to do it soon, it seems like more and more regions of Spain are banning bull fighting. Read a lot of Hemingway in high school so I had to see one. A couple of the fights were good but the starting one was poor. |
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<snip> . . . nor do I think less of indivduals who enjoy it. That's the thing I find particularly galling. The kids always jump straight to making aspersions about the manhood of others--anonymously, and from the safety of home. Those same little pukes would shit themselves if confronted by a man--with just a harsh stare. Some people's children. 
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have you been around bulls? I wouldnt step into the ring with anything less than a armored tank... and it better be a heavy tank at that
they arent nice animals... a Matador with a sword and fancy foot work is just barely on par with a bull lol I HAVE been around plenty of them. They are monsters. Guys here ride 'em, rope 'em, and "play" with them. And we even EAT them! But they don't stick a blade in them and let them bleed-out a bit before fighting them.
Bullriders definitely have ALOT of guts. And broken bones. |
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It's rich in culture and tradition, and despite the weeping and wailing of those opposed, the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced. I'd recommend it! I'm going to have to call BS... and thats just assuming the matador gets a clean shot the first time. I dont have a care either way what they do but they do stick the bulls between the shoulders several time before they go for the kill so to speak not anything like a slaughter house... or at least the few I have been in. No they don't. The pierces at the base of the neck (forget the name) are done in preparation for the matador. They weaken the neck muscles, which is necessary in order for the matador to have a chance. The kill is done ONCE--and very expertly. Watch one, they are all over the 'net. If they take several piercings at the base of the neck prior to being killed, how can you say the bulls don't suffer any more than any other animal killed by having its heart pierced? ETA: I'm not saying I'm completely against traditional Spanish bullfighting, just wondering how you reconcile your two statements. You are anthropomorphising the bulls. They don't feel pain like you or I would. I've seen deer with a leg shot off acting normally. Animals aren't people. I promise. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: have you been around bulls? I wouldnt step into the ring with anything less than a armored tank... and it better be a heavy tank at that they arent nice animals... a Matador with a sword and fancy foot work is just barely on par with a bull lol I HAVE been around plenty of them. They are monsters. Guys here ride 'em, rope 'em, and "play" with them. And we even EAT them! But they don't stick a blade in them and let them bleed-out a bit before fighting them. Bullriders definitely have ALOT of guts. And broken bones. I didn't say they had alot of brains. |
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<snip> . . . nor do I think less of indivduals who enjoy it. That's the thing I find particularly galling. The kids always jump straight to making aspersions about the manhood of others--anonymously, and from the safety of home. Those same little pukes would shit themselves if confronted by a man--with just a harsh stare. Some people's children. Would you think less of those who go to dog fights? If so, reconcile your thoughts. |
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<snip> . . . nor do I think less of indivduals who enjoy it. That's the thing I find particularly galling. The kids always jump straight to making aspersions about the manhood of others--anonymously, and from the safety of home. Those same little pukes would shit themselves if confronted by a man--with just a harsh stare. Some people's children. I would bet alot of people that have problems with it are also hunters. Most hunters are not the best shots in the world and many do not kill the animal outright with their shot. The animal gets away and bleeds out and eventually dies. That is okay apparently but killing a bull with a sword is not. The bull probably dies quicker than someone who made a bad shot. Oh how about Archery hunting too. Many animals do not die instantly from that either. |
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<snip> . . . nor do I think less of indivduals who enjoy it. That's the thing I find particularly galling. The kids always jump straight to making aspersions about the manhood of others--anonymously, and from the safety of home. Those same little pukes would shit themselves if confronted by a man--with just a harsh stare. Some people's children. Would you think less of those who go to dog fights? If so, reconcile your thoughts. No--I don't give a crap about dog fights. It's not my thing, but I don't care about those who do it. Why would I? 
I'll reconcile my thoughts when you begin to think logically--and with MUCH less emotion.
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