Posted: 4/11/2013 5:58:34 AM EDT
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Every time I hear someone say "Common Sense" in regards to guns, boats, planes, or other Random hobbies... and why they need to be regulated, controlled, or done away with....
I figure they are basing their experience on the actions of a few or on something they saw on tv or in a movie... IE Ignorance.... or when someone says "you are just book smart and have no common sense" they are the ones that live in ignorance.. discuss.... |
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The problem with "common sense" is that it is not that common.
ETA- I was arguing with a Libtard earlier this week who kept telling me that violent crime dropped 90% during the '94 AWB. I kept asking him for the source of this statistic. He kept foaming at the mouth telling me how ignorant I was. I kept pressing him for the source of that statistic. He finally paused and then blurted out; "that's just common knowledge, everybody knows it!" 
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Common Sense can mean we have no real evidence to back up our feelings but our intentions are pure.
It's so distorted it's become competing agendas with nothing in common. This latest common sense over background checks fails to mention the rights we have in nearly every conversation. It also fails to mention how the intent of regulations must be shown to affect the ineligible, not the average citizen. Criminals do not become ineligible UNTIL they commit a crime and are convicted. |
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Quoted: Every time I hear someone say "Common Sense" in regards to guns, boats, planes, or other Random hobbies... and why they need to be regulated, controlled, or done away with.... It's common sense why those things don't need to be regulated. See what I did there? True common sense is a lost art these days. More of a saying than anything. |
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These are not my words and I cannot remember where I saw this but it is worth a quick read, sorry for the length:
Common Sense: That fact that a given sensibility is held by a large enough section of the population to call it “common”, does not magically imbue that "sense" with any measure of goodness or appropriateness or usefulness. "Common Sense" is a code word used to lend credibility and a sense of normalcy to ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of those with "good sense". The democrats on the left always judges these ideas, not by the effect they have on reality (reality is always an uncomfortable topic with them) - rather, these ideas are judged by their intended effect. As long as the law is passed with the intent of making us safer, or keeping kids off drugs, or guns off the street, then it is a good law. Should someone dare question the effectiveness of their project or policy, the mantra goes out "Common Sense" this, "Common Sense" that. Their opposition is never opposed to their political philosophy - no - the opposition is opposed to "Common Sense ideas about Social Security or taxes". If you took a poll of the American people, I believe that you could get between 95% and 100% of the population to come out as being "in favor of good things" and also "opposed to bad things". The sum of our disagreements have to do with defining what is "good" and what is "bad". Most people understand this intuitively. So - who defines "common sense"? Common Sense Examples & Contrasts: Liberal, democrat or socialist gun control organizations (like the Brady Bunch) will tell you that "common sense" dictates that people should not carry weapons because more people could be shot. Others (conservative republican view) would say that, no, "common sense" tells us that criminals will be more apprehensive about attacking people if they are afraid they may be shot and that firearms provide protection from those that would harm you. Common sense (liberal democrat view) says we should all drive smaller vehicles because SUVs pollute, and the pollution damages the ozone layer and more people will die of skin cancer and the environment will be damaged. Others (conservative republican view) will say that lighter, more efficient cars will make more people die in car accidents and that the exotic materials used to make cars lighter will take more energy to produce and also release more pollution into the environment. Common sense (liberal democrat view) tells us that nuclear weapons are an accident waiting to happen and that as long as we have nukes, other countries will feel the need to have them too. Others (conservative republican view) will say that we need nukes to act as a deterrent to other countries and that giving them up will actually make the world less safe. Common sense (liberal view) tells us that those who make more money are more able to pay taxes and should carry a disproportionate tax burden compared to those who make less. Others (conservative republican view) will say that taxing wealth is counter productive and that wealth should be encouraged so that more people create business and jobs which, in turn, generates more tax revenue. People look at the world through their own value system - it is unavoidable. The problem is that many people are so unintuitive that they do not realize that their value system may not be shared by others and that they may not be factoring in "unintended consequences" when they make policy. They just assume that because something makes sense to them, that it is "common sense". What is common sense to one man may not be viewed that way by another. |
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These are not my words and I cannot remember where I saw this but it is worth a quick read, sorry for the length: Common Sense: That fact that a given sensibility is held by a large enough section of the population to call it “common”, does not magically imbue that "sense" with any measure of goodness or appropriateness or usefulness. "Common Sense" is a code word used to lend credibility and a sense of normalcy to ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of those with "good sense". The democrats on the left always judges these ideas, not by the effect they have on reality (reality is always an uncomfortable topic with them) - rather, these ideas are judged by their intended effect. As long as the law is passed with the intent of making us safer, or keeping kids off drugs, or guns off the street, then it is a good law. Should someone dare question the effectiveness of their project or policy, the mantra goes out "Common Sense" this, "Common Sense" that. Their opposition is never opposed to their political philosophy - no - the opposition is opposed to "Common Sense ideas about Social Security or taxes". If you took a poll of the American people, I believe that you could get between 95% and 100% of the population to come out as being "in favor of good things" and also "opposed to bad things". The sum of our disagreements have to do with defining what is "good" and what is "bad". Most people understand this intuitively. So - who defines "common sense"? Common Sense Examples & Contrasts: Liberal, democrat or socialist gun control organizations (like the Brady Bunch) will tell you that "common sense" dictates that people should not carry weapons because more people could be shot. Others (conservative republican view) would say that, no, "common sense" tells us that criminals will be more apprehensive about attacking people if they are afraid they may be shot and that firearms provide protection from those that would harm you. Common sense (liberal democrat view) says we should all drive smaller vehicles because SUVs pollute, and the pollution damages the ozone layer and more people will die of skin cancer and the environment will be damaged. Others (conservative republican view) will say that lighter, more efficient cars will make more people die in car accidents and that the exotic materials used to make cars lighter will take more energy to produce and also release more pollution into the environment. Common sense (liberal democrat view) tells us that nuclear weapons are an accident waiting to happen and that as long as we have nukes, other countries will feel the need to have them too. Others (conservative republican view) will say that we need nukes to act as a deterrent to other countries and that giving them up will actually make the world less safe. Common sense (liberal view) tells us that those who make more money are more able to pay taxes and should carry a disproportionate tax burden compared to those who make less. Others (conservative republican view) will say that taxing wealth is counter productive and that wealth should be encouraged so that more people create business and jobs which, in turn, generates more tax revenue. People look at the world through their own value system - it is unavoidable. The problem is that many people are so unintuitive that they do not realize that their value system may not be shared by others and that they may not be factoring in "unintended consequences" when they make policy. They just assume that because something makes sense to them, that it is "common sense". What is common sense to one man may not be viewed that way by another. that is a good read... |
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These are not my words and I cannot remember where I saw this but it is worth a quick read, sorry for the length: Common Sense: That fact that a given sensibility is held by a large enough section of the population to call it “common”, does not magically imbue that "sense" with any measure of goodness or appropriateness or usefulness. "Common Sense" is a code word used to lend credibility and a sense of normalcy to ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of those with "good sense". The democrats on the left always judges these ideas, not by the effect they have on reality (reality is always an uncomfortable topic with them) - rather, these ideas are judged by their intended effect. As long as the law is passed with the intent of making us safer, or keeping kids off drugs, or guns off the street, then it is a good law. Should someone dare question the effectiveness of their project or policy, the mantra goes out "Common Sense" this, "Common Sense" that. Their opposition is never opposed to their political philosophy - no - the opposition is opposed to "Common Sense ideas about Social Security or taxes". If you took a poll of the American people, I believe that you could get between 95% and 100% of the population to come out as being "in favor of good things" and also "opposed to bad things". The sum of our disagreements have to do with defining what is "good" and what is "bad". Most people understand this intuitively. So - who defines "common sense"? Common Sense Examples & Contrasts: Liberal, democrat or socialist gun control organizations (like the Brady Bunch) will tell you that "common sense" dictates that people should not carry weapons because more people could be shot. Others (conservative republican view) would say that, no, "common sense" tells us that criminals will be more apprehensive about attacking people if they are afraid they may be shot and that firearms provide protection from those that would harm you. Common sense (liberal democrat view) says we should all drive smaller vehicles because SUVs pollute, and the pollution damages the ozone layer and more people will die of skin cancer and the environment will be damaged. Others (conservative republican view) will say that lighter, more efficient cars will make more people die in car accidents and that the exotic materials used to make cars lighter will take more energy to produce and also release more pollution into the environment. Common sense (liberal democrat view) tells us that nuclear weapons are an accident waiting to happen and that as long as we have nukes, other countries will feel the need to have them too. Others (conservative republican view) will say that we need nukes to act as a deterrent to other countries and that giving them up will actually make the world less safe. Common sense (liberal view) tells us that those who make more money are more able to pay taxes and should carry a disproportionate tax burden compared to those who make less. Others (conservative republican view) will say that taxing wealth is counter productive and that wealth should be encouraged so that more people create business and jobs which, in turn, generates more tax revenue. People look at the world through their own value system - it is unavoidable. The problem is that many people are so unintuitive that they do not realize that their value system may not be shared by others and that they may not be factoring in "unintended consequences" when they make policy. They just assume that because something makes sense to them, that it is "common sense". What is common sense to one man may not be viewed that way by another. that is a good read... +1 |
 People today, seem to confuse the meaning of motive and intent. A positive Intent can be presented while trying to advance an underhanded motive; deceptively present a good intent via a bad motive. Logic must be universal and reversible in order to be ethical. This may also called 'TRUTH.' Common Sense= Truth.
Ex: intention: "I desire to keep our Nation's children safer!" (A positive intention) motive: "To achieve this goal, I will 'have to 'violate your right' (deny you of the same right) to protect yourself from our children's 'threat;' that right which was granted to ALL people under the 2'nd Amendment of our Constitution. (A bad motive) What is never said (aloud): "Of course, I will not 'be stripped of this same right for protection' that I stripped from you, in achieving my state of social nirvana!" The Media's bombarding us with the (imho, outlined above) "Libertard's Mantra" on a continuous and daily (hourly) basis has had it's effect...which I think stinks! Politicians swear to uphold our Constitution when entering their Office. If they are not serving with honesty and integrity, they are guilty of subversion, plain and simple. however, we get the Government that we elect...so the problem is, today's America is apparently, a pretty stupid place! REF: GA Superintendent of Schools and 30+ others guilty of cheating and boosting grades (04-08-2013), stealing federal money, etc...sigh...wow...really? Knowledge (wisdom) shared and Love displayed (Agape/Active) for our fellow man are what is missing in the recipe for curing today's Social ChaosI I am willing to, and try to actively practice being a living example of what kind of person I believe would make this world a better place for all...then again, I am fvcking tired of having other's continuously pissing on my back and telling me it is raining! . |
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Quoted: Quoted: These are not my words and I cannot remember where I saw this but it is worth a quick read, sorry for the length: Common Sense: That fact that a given sensibility is held by a large enough section of the population to call it "common”, does not magically imbue that "sense" with any measure of goodness or appropriateness or usefulness. "Common Sense" is a code word used to lend credibility and a sense of normalcy to ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of those with "good sense". The democrats on the left always judges these ideas, not by the effect they have on reality (reality is always an uncomfortable topic with them) - rather, these ideas are judged by their intended effect. As long as the law is passed with the intent of making us safer, or keeping kids off drugs, or guns off the street, then it is a good law. Should someone dare question the effectiveness of their project or policy, the mantra goes out "Common Sense" this, "Common Sense" that. Their opposition is never opposed to their political philosophy - no - the opposition is opposed to "Common Sense ideas about Social Security or taxes". If you took a poll of the American people, I believe that you could get between 95% and 100% of the population to come out as being "in favor of good things" and also "opposed to bad things". The sum of our disagreements have to do with defining what is "good" and what is "bad". Most people understand this intuitively. So - who defines "common sense"? Common Sense Examples & Contrasts: Liberal, democrat or socialist gun control organizations (like the Brady Bunch) will tell you that "common sense" dictates that people should not carry weapons because more people could be shot. Others (conservative republican view) would say that, no, "common sense" tells us that criminals will be more apprehensive about attacking people if they are afraid they may be shot and that firearms provide protection from those that would harm you. Common sense (liberal democrat view) says we should all drive smaller vehicles because SUVs pollute, and the pollution damages the ozone layer and more people will die of skin cancer and the environment will be damaged. Others (conservative republican view) will say that lighter, more efficient cars will make more people die in car accidents and that the exotic materials used to make cars lighter will take more energy to produce and also release more pollution into the environment. Common sense (liberal democrat view) tells us that nuclear weapons are an accident waiting to happen and that as long as we have nukes, other countries will feel the need to have them too. Others (conservative republican view) will say that we need nukes to act as a deterrent to other countries and that giving them up will actually make the world less safe. Common sense (liberal view) tells us that those who make more money are more able to pay taxes and should carry a disproportionate tax burden compared to those who make less. Others (conservative republican view) will say that taxing wealth is counter productive and that wealth should be encouraged so that more people create business and jobs which, in turn, generates more tax revenue. People look at the world through their own value system - it is unavoidable. The problem is that many people are so unintuitive that they do not realize that their value system may not be shared by others and that they may not be factoring in "unintended consequences" when they make policy. They just assume that because something makes sense to them, that it is "common sense". What is common sense to one man may not be viewed that way by another. that is a good read... An interesting perspective. |
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The problem with "common sense" is that it is not that common. ETA- I was arguing with a Libtard earlier this week who kept telling me that violent crime dropped 90% during the '94 AWB. I kept asking him for the source of this statistic. He kept foaming at the mouth telling me how ignorant I was. I kept pressing him for the source of that statistic. He finally paused and then blurted out; "that's just common knowledge, everybody knows it!" That's when you go in for the kill and quote FBI statistics and tell HIM it's common knowledge and everybody knows it except him. Over the years I have been BRUTAL to people like that. When a woman told me that if I got rid of my guns I couldn't become a mass killer she didn't like it very much when I retorted that if she got her vagina sewn shut she couldn't become a prostitute. Idiots HATE facts and logic. |