Posted: 3/10/2013 2:10:08 PM EDT
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On IFC
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Saw it in The Theater when it first was shown. Credits for the movie were handed out by the ushers.
Every minute I stay in this room, I get weaker, and every minute Charlie squats in the bush, he gets stronger. Each time I looked around the walls moved in a little tighter.
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| "Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas..." |
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"Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas..." Ok that impressive... well done sir 
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| I joined the Navy. Someone told me Navy had better food. Cook school -- that did it....They lined us all up in front of a hundred yards of prime rib -magnificent meat, beautifully marbled.. Then they started throwing it in these big cauldrons, all of it -- boiling. I looked in, an' it was turning gray. I couldn't fucking believe that one. |
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Well, you see, Willard, in this war, things get confused out there.
Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be God. Because there’s a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature. |
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I hate the redux version
they spent two frikkin years editing the first movie to perfection then they need to make some more money off the film so they string all the floor sweepings back into it none of the new scenes fits the theme of the original film, some of it even has a goofy aspect that doesnt fit the mood of the movie or the characters |
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I hate the redux version they spent two frikkin years editing the first movie to perfection then they need to make some more money off the film so they string all the floor sweepings back into it none of the new scenes fits the theme of the original film, some of it even has a goofy aspect that doesnt fit the mood of the movie or the characters I agree. IFC is showing the original version now. |
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Well, you see, Willard, in this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be God. Because there’s a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature. As you know, that actor was also Senator Geary in Godfather 2 We can save time if we pass both ways |
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Well, you see, Willard, in this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be God. Because there’s a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature. As you know, that actor was also Senator Geary in Godfather 2 We can save time if we pass both ways I don't know how you feel about this shrimp, but if you eat it, you'll never have to prove your courage in any other way... |
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I hate the redux version they spent two frikkin years editing the first movie to perfection then they need to make some more money off the film so they string all the floor sweepings back into it none of the new scenes fits the theme of the original film, some of it even has a goofy aspect that doesnt fit the mood of the movie or the characters Huh? The Redux version was far more coherent than the original. they spent 2 years editing to suit the political and emotional preferences of the studio brass. Going back to the original opening scenes alone changed the whole tenor of the film. For the better in my opinion. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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The thing that bugs me, is when folks criticize the movie from a "historical" standpoint, or a "military" standpoint.
The story just happened to involve guys in the military, during the war in Vietnam. But, it wasn't a war movie, or a "Vietnam" movie. It was a story. That's all. |
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What I don't like about that film, is that it horribly misrepresents the military and the Vietnam war. Yet was celebrated by movie critics of its "realism" of the war. it was just another art film, a work of war fiction as seen through an art film directors eyes, and viewed as "realistic" by film critics, not historians.
It was entertainment, but many thought it was how it was in the war. Very Sad. The directors cut also was extremely lengthy and overly cerebral - I needed to stop half way through and take a break. |
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What I don't like about that film, is that it horribly misrepresents the military and the Vietnam war. Yet was celebrated by movie critics of its "realism" of the war. it was just another art film, a work of war fiction as seen through an art film directors eyes, and viewed as "realistic" by film critics, not historians. It was entertainment, but many thought it was how it was in the war. Very Sad. It was compounded by the fantasies/political leanings of the studio brass. Hero smoking hash and having sex? Not acceptable - cut the plantation scene. That also took care of the complex roots of the conflict involving the French. Pimping out the USO show girls? Definitely unacceptable. And the most offensive of all was the hero setting out to murder somebody. So they re-shot the opening so that the evil brass blackmailed Martin Sheen instead. It changed the entire movie, like when I saw "Brazil" on TV and they cut the last scene. So what they were left with was Coppola's overly dramatized and somewhat leftist fantasy overlaid with the studio's version of the Middle American fantasy of no sex, no drugs, and a hero that is good and pure. Add in the fact that it was based on "Heart of Darkness", set in a colonial Congo far worse than anything Vietnam could offer. The directors cut also was extremely lengthy and overly cerebral - I needed to stop half way through and take a break.
I actually found Redux to be easier to watch, and actually seemed shorter despite the added half hour. There were far fewer "WTF?" moments, like in the original when one of the boat crew suddenly has makeup on his face. Or when Kurtz accused Sheen of being an assassin and Sheen blithely accepting it instead of at least telling him that he didn't want to do it. |