Just to let you know, I vote against every single cig tax increase that appears on the ballot.  No, I don't smoke and never have.

And unless you live in the mountains and don't pay taxes, you're funding the war on drugs that you so despise.  

My solution:  Live in the woods like Ted Kaczynsky.

Guess I shouldn't apply for that student loan/grant cause it's payed for by evil cig taxes huh?

And for those of you that think illegal drugs will somehow become legal in this country, DREAM ON.  Just keep voting for those Libetarian pro-drug people.

It is my tax money too...

"live and let live", then get off the WAR on Drugs band wagon.

I also follow good social etiquette when I've been drinking, I don't get behind the wheel, that is what the taxi driver is for.  I don't let my personal freedoms encroach upon others.



There you go proving my point again.  It is the actions of the individual, not the substances clouding their judgement, or the tools in their hands, that make them a criminal.  It matters not that they are drunk, stoned, or sober, when they murder, rape, or rob.  Nor does it matter if they use a beltfed machinegun, a vehicle, or their bare hands and feet in the commission of their crimes.  It is their actions that make them criminals.

Yeah, in fact I'm in favor of both of those things being legal.  Why the fuck is prostitution illegal?  Does this make any sense?  To borrow some of George Carlins words, "Selling is legal.  Fucking is legal.  So why isn't selling fucking legal?  Why is it illegal to sell something that it's perfectly legal to give away?"  

As for abortion, I don't agree with it morally, as it seems to be murder, no matter how young your victim.  But, we got a lot of people on this planet already, and it's easier to kill 'em while they're fetuses.  Plus more economical, what with not having to deal with burial arrangements and coffins and all.  Damn, after writing that, I'm not sure whether to laugh or gag.  Since I'm not joking, I think that I'll gag.

And drugs?  As has been said before, if you drink/smoke/drink coffee, and you are infavor of a drug ban, you are either a hypocrite or a moron(and probably both).  Not a single illegal drug causes anywhere near the fatalities that tobacco causes.  And I would suspect that drunk driving claims more lives than illegal drugs.  Yes, illegal drugs are dangerous, but legalizing them will not result in people running out to start doing them, and if someone commits a crime while under the influence, IT'S STILL A CRIME!  If you kill someone while drunk, IT'S STILL A CRIME!  Same as any other drug.  And this whole demonizing marijuana shit, STOP BUYING INTO GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA.  Healthwise, it's far less dangerous than smoking cigarettes.  And equating drug use with gun ownership is not retarded.  Are drug use and gun ownership the same?  Of course not.  Are the arguments against both the same?  Absolutely.  One side thinks that a freedom is dangerous and they set about to convince everone else of this.  And for all of you that want to kill all drug users, you better throw out all of the cigarettes, coffee and alcohol, because you too are "lowlife druggie fucks", whose drug of chioce just happens to be legal.

Time for this lowlife to get some work done.

To be quite honest, I never realized that there was a debate over the war on drugs, until about a year ago when I noticed that the libertarians want to legalize drugs....

[size=6]  There is no such thing as a [b]logical debate[/b] over the legality of such drugs.[/size=6]



I try to be objective, and no matter how much I try, but I can almost never convince myself that my original view was flawed, as in this
case.

Recreational drugs are wrong even including getting shitface drunk, deep down everyone knows they are wether you've taken any or not.  Damn near everyone thinks they should be illegal, so WE have made them this way.  The same way everybody knows prostitution is wrong.  MOST places it is illegal too, because people want it that way.  

We (at least most of us)  want drugs to be illegal.

I don't know how in the hell one can compare the war on drugs to gun control....

Hell even illegal they are readily enough.  To say that use would decrease if legalized....I just can't imagine that.  I mean look at those other places I've brought up where they are legal.  Kids runnin around high....[8P]..hookers...[sex]....pure E-VILLE[}:D]

speakin of EVIL, I thought it was the LIBS that usually defend evil.

The poll would I suggested was just to see how many thought dope smokin should be illegal...

In the words of Steppinwolf:
[size=6]GOD DAMN THE PUSHER MAN[/size=6]

I agree that just because something is legal that it isn't right.  I also believe that using the constitution to justify something that deep down you know is WRONG is just plain bovine defecation.

This is TS.  This is the M193 that TS bought. This is Bubba who sold TS the M193 thatTS bought.  This is Winchester who supplied Bubba with the M193 that TS bought. This is SSGT X who was shot and paralized by Hamud who was supplied by Winchester.

So I'm responsible for SSGT X being shot because I and Hamud used Winchester ammo???

TS [X]

Don't worry Bign, they will never legalize drugs in this country.  Drugs are on the permanent evil list just like guns.  Downward spiral for both and we're all doomed.  And there will PROBABLY be a major shooting or two sometime between now and the AW sunset ban.  How come none of that other shit was supposed to sunset?  1934, 1968, 1989?

Also don't bother with the poll, gauging from the responses here and on previous threads, I already know what the results will be.

I'm not on any "WAR on Drugs band wagon".  I've stated my OPINION on illicit drugs.  I have no power to create new drug laws.  My OPINION shouldn't threaten your freedoms in anyway.  It is possible to not like something without wanting to take it away from others.

Good for you.

Basically what I already said.

USPC40


[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/line.gif[/img]
[url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url]
[url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url]
[url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url]
[url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]

[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/USPC40/alabamaflag.gif[/img]

WTF????
Where'd Humud get his gun??? Is he in the country illegally???  Or is he on the battlefeild in Ashcanistan???  What's Bubba have to do with it????  Did TS suck bubba off for the gun[:d]

Apples and rapists man, apples and rapists...

and drugs are on the EVIL list for a reason boys....YOU KNOW drugs make people do crazy things and bring all sorts a crime and diseases and whorrin, you can say that drugs don't take themselves too, but fact is, drugs cause people to lose their minds, and [b]definately affect the safety of others.[/b] They lose the ability to obey the law when they're under the influence.

Guns have been made to look that way by the LIBS shifting of responsibility from the murderers to the guns.

That's about it on this thread from me fellas.  I just can't take it no mo.[BD]

[size=6]DEEP DOWN BOYS, DEEP DOWN[/size=6]


LIB, Stacy is at it on TV agi'n, as I type[:D]
If mama taught her kid how to act we would be having this discussion anyways.

I am a former addict and can speak with some authority that some of the views on here are all fucked up but I wont change your mind and you wont change mine. So on with my point - everyone who commits a crime is not a drug addict or crack smoking projects raised black man and if you think so you really are a stupid fuck.

When was the last time someone smoked pot and drove thier car into an innocent family? Not nearly as many fatalities are caused by drug addicts as there are by drunks. I am not condoning drug use (I have drank nor used in over 10 years) but if we are going to slay drug addicts lets be honest and crucify the #1 abused drug in the USA alcohal.

John

Precisely.

Correction- You speak with experience, not authority.  This does not give you a pedestal to place yourself upon & judge the views of others as "fucked up".

Why becuause YOU think you are right no ono can debate this ?


We've been thru this 100 times on this board and the concenus is that drugs should be legal.

The reason you can't take it no mo is because you are placing the blame on the object/substance, and not on the individual.  You are using the same logic and emotion that is the hallmark of the anti-gun establishment.  You have not countered any of the facts presented.

The debate is not over the evilness of drugs.  The debate is about freedom from the oppression of a government operating outside of its limits as defined by the Constitution, and is trampling over our God given rights.

You have asked for Constitutional proof, and I have provided it along with historical proof of the use of drugs during the first 144 years that this country existed.

[b]Before any substance can be declared illegal by the Federal Government, the Constitution must be amended, as set by the precedence of the 18th and 21st Amendments, or by the constitution of the several states, or by local ordinances as determined by the people.[/b]

It is pathetic that there is such a number of members who have taken oaths to support and defend the Constitution, but only defend the parts they agree with.

Damm hate it when I get hot headed and type something like that.. Sorry for the fucked up remark ;o)

And I meant I should be the authority ;o)

I would love to just go and send all current and future drug users off to CHina to be used for organ harvestation, laborers, or to just rot in jail. I would even go as far as to accept ONLY $1 for every person we ship over there to be killed, enslaved, or otherwise. Drug use would die out. FAST! BTW: Which Kaliban (Taliban of Kalifornistan) said that weed was less ahrmful than a cig? I will hav eyou sent over first you drug growing criminal. Also: I wouldn't mind send every prostitute in the nation to Pakistan to be stoned. He, serves those whores right.

          SIG out,

Doggonti (Smokin' .45's)

I'd pay a $1 just to see if someone could pull that big stick out of your butt you hate spewing monkeyfucker. From the looks of your post you should of spent more time in the school parking lot smoking joints than in the locker room smoking poles.

Ignorant morons like you are why they want to take our guns away and then we wonder why? Now go back to what ever trailer you were raised in and study for that GED.

By the way how is this better than California??

New Jersey law restricts the ownership of certain semi-automatic and other firearms based upon their military appearance. The list includes:

Algimec AGM1 type
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
Armalite AR-180 type
Australian Automatic Arms SAR
Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
Bushmaster Assault rifle
Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
CETME G3
Chartered Industries of Singapore
SR88 type
Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2,
AR 100 types
Demro TAC-1 carbine type
Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
FAMAS MAS 223 types
FN-FAL, FN- AR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 Shotguns
G3SA type
Galil type
Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
Intratec TEC-9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
M1 carbine type
M1 4S type, MAC10, MAC11, MAC11 9mm carbine type firearms
PJK M-68 carbine type
Plainfield Machine Co. Carbine
Ruger K-Mini-14/5F and Mini-1 4/5RF
SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG-PE-57 types
SKS with detachable magazine type
Spectre Auto carbine type
Springfield Armory BM59 and
SAR-48 type
Sterling MK-6, MK-7, and SAR types
Steyr AUG semi-automatic firearms
USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
Weaver Arms Nighthawk

The HK MSG90 isn't on the list.  It's probably banned now but I wonder if you could've bought it back then.  Was it even sold in the states?

The Enfield L85 ain't on the list either.

WTF is the FAMAS doing on the list?  Driveby moron wouldn't even know how to operate that thing.

C'mon..  We ALL KNOW that Kalifornistan sucks!

They don't have even have one of these: [:D]

[img]rbad.ar15.com/demotrash.jpg[/img]


And they don't have a "Torch" !

[img]http://media.abcnews.com/media/Politics/images/ap_nj_torricelli_020103_nv.jpg[/img]


OR...  one of these scumbags:

[img]http://thumb-1.image.altavista.com/image/148336990[/img]

I like your thought process -- That's an outstanding idea !

(we should also include pedophiles in the shipment)

Yeah I don't care for those commercials either. What is funny is you could make the same point with a gallon of gas. Gas consumption can be linked back to Saudi Arabia or other terrorist funding States that kill innocent people. But we will never see that on TV.

Sadly, even that won't end drug use. People can go to jail for 20+ years for drug use, some for life, yet they still use drugs.
Also, you can never get all the drug users and dealers. And Finally, the punishment is not proportional to the crime and is un-american.

Yes, pedophiles especially (Including those frickin' homo priests, I am Catholic, very devout too, but once a priest does something like that he is damned forever in my mind.) Anyways, Jaguar man, I am obviously extremely overexagerating with the whole kill-all-druggies bit but the pedophiles I truly mean. Ok, so lets not kill all drug users, but at least kill 4 of the worst offenders on national TV to make a statement. Again, exageration.... Lock 'em up and make them work. I want to see hard labor in prison again!!!! Prisoners are gettign off too easy. Color TV, 3 meals a day. They even have time to rape each other!?!

SIG out,

Doggonit

Michigan Competitive Scholarship
If you score above a certian score on the MEAP test (our state's high school proficency exam) youget the scholarship

Man, where were youat when I was getting grilled by the little guy?  If you don't mind, I just might keep those answers in the back of my mind next time I babysit the little tike.

Calm down, i also smoke too.  Basically I am paying to put myself through college on tobacco alone.

Keving67

[thinking].........well nevermind it only lasted
a second...........