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9/19/2002 11:02:17 AM EDT
Just trying to figure all of these out...

LC - Lake City (where is Lake City, anyhow?)

WC/WCC/WRA - Winchester, various eras

SL - Salt Lake City?

TW - ?

TZ/TZZ - ?

DEN - ?

FN - Fabrique Nationale?  Belgian?

There are more, and I will be taking pix sometime - but these are the ones still resident in short-term memory...

FFZ
9/19/2002 1:27:00 PM EDT
[#1]
I always thought Lake City was in Utah somewhere.  I might be wrong though

Keving67
9/19/2002 1:31:30 PM EDT
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I always thought Lake City was in Utah somewhere.  I might be wrong though

Keving67
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That's [b]SALT[/b] Lake City.  There is a Lake City in Florida near I-10 and I-75, but I don't know if it is the same as the Lake City where the ammo in made.
9/19/2002 1:33:50 PM EDT
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I always thought Lake City was in Utah somewhere.  I might be wrong though

Keving67
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That's [b]SALT[/b] Lake City.  There is a Lake City in Florida near I-10 and I-75, but I don't know if it is the same as the Lake City where the ammo in made.
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Now that you mention it, that is where I have heard it before.  Never was good in geography.

Keving67
9/19/2002 1:34:11 PM EDT
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TZ/TZZ -Isreali IMI
9/19/2002 7:03:20 PM EDT
[#5]
TW-U.S. Military, Twin Cities Ordnance Plant.

DEN - I believe is South African Commercial.
9/19/2002 7:08:11 PM EDT
[#6]
I found the DEN headstamp with dates in the '40's - was South Africa producing ammo then?

I've also run across a "U", and a couple others.  I'll get them all together one of these days and post a list - and maybe even a batch of photos for everyone to look at...

FFZ
9/19/2002 7:23:28 PM EDT
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I found the DEN headstamp with dates in the '40's - was South Africa producing ammo then?

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Sorry, I was thinking of DNL which is Denel of South Africa, instead of DEN.

U- Utah Ordnance Plant
TW- is Twin Cities Ordnance Plant
DEN- Denver Ordnance Plant
SL- Saint Louis Ordnance Plant

from Cartridges of the World 9th edition.


9/19/2002 10:28:02 PM EDT
[#8]
And to think I had that book staring me in my ugly face the whole damn time...  I guess I should read it!  I've been too busy with "Understanding Firearm Ballistics" lately...

Got a copy of "Ammo & Ballistics" lying about as well - I'll have to pillage thru there.

When I get a chance, I'll have PIX - Tat or Brou, intersted in adding them to the Ammo FAQ?

FFZ
9/20/2002 12:05:07 AM EDT
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I always thought Lake City was in Utah somewhere.  I might be wrong though

Keving67
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That's [b]SALT[/b] Lake City.  There is a Lake City in Florida near I-10 and I-75, but I don't know if it is the same as the Lake City where the ammo in made.
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Now that you mention it, that is where I have heard it before.  Never was good in geography.

Keving67
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I had the immense displeasure of living in that shithole in FL for 4 years.  Definately not an ammo factory there.  They build the hell out of mobile homes, though.

At the time, I was a NC state licensed electrical contractor, with 15 years of experience in the field.  My first job offer was $6.00/hour.  Laughed at the fucker, and went fishing....
9/20/2002 12:15:58 AM EDT
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LC/LCAAP/LakeCity is in the Kansas City metro area. Between Independence and BlueSprings Mo to be specific. There is a 100yd pubic(strict) shooting range on the grounds. That's where I usually shoot as there is nothing better in the area.
A side note about LCAAP: it's a toxic waste dump,  well not really but it's a NRC clean up site.  LC produced and tested DU(depleted uranium) rounds. Some interesting stuff on the web about it.
9/20/2002 12:36:52 AM EDT
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And to think I had that book staring me in my ugly face the whole damn time...  I guess I should read it!  I've been too busy with "Understanding Firearm Ballistics" lately...

Got a copy of "Ammo & Ballistics" lying about as well - I'll have to pillage thru there.

When I get a chance, I'll have PIX - Tat or Brou, intersted in adding them to the Ammo FAQ?

FFZ
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Robert Rinker does a good job in that book.
9/20/2002 5:49:48 AM EDT
[#12]
For a very comprehensive guide to smalls arms ammunition identification, see the Defense Intelligence Agency Small Caliber Ammunition Identification Guide.  It is available on the web.  See the link.

[url]http://www.dia.mil/Public/Foia/smcal_vol1.pdf[/url]
9/20/2002 6:15:30 AM EDT
[#13]
in my current collection of .223 headstamps i have 122 different fired cases..., one of these days i'll post a photo..., if i ever learn how ........
9/20/2002 6:40:33 AM EDT
[#14]
Lake City ammo plant is in Independence, MO. It is also what is known as a radiation site. This is because they manufacture depleted uranium there. I wouldn't what to shoot there since it will be most likely a superfund site before too long.

9/20/2002 10:43:17 AM EDT
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doh  forgot the l  :)
9/20/2002 10:45:01 AM EDT
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I wouldn't what to shoot there since it will be most likely a superfund site before too long.

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Whats superfund?
9/20/2002 11:19:45 AM EDT
[#17]
Superfund = Heavy Toxic cleanup.  We had a Superfund site here in South San Jose - the old Fairchild/Republic plant.  It's now a grocery store - but I'm still a little leery of it...

Moffett NAS is very nearly a Superfund site - especially after the AFU with the post Gas station a few years back...

FFZ
9/20/2002 11:40:57 AM EDT
[#18]
I'd like to think all the lead paintchips I ate as a kid are fortifying me aginst the radiation.
I'm currently looking for a better place to shoot tho.  I don't like 5seconds between shots.

9/20/2002 4:54:05 PM EDT
[#19]
EOD_Guy -
 Thanks for the DIA link (I thought they didn't exist anymore...?)  I found and downloaded BOTH volumes of that manual, and added them to the rest of my ordnance info.  After that, I started pillaging thru the rest of their FOIA stuff and will work on DefenseLINK later...

 I'm always looking for stuff like this - got any more?  I could use the refresher...

FFZ