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2/22/2013 6:05:56 PM EDT
I had to turn off our water to keep the pump from burning up on a Friday evening of coarse.

Pump was cycling on and off about every two seconds when a water fixture was on.  When all fixtures were off it would come on for 2 seconds every 60 seconds.  Water pressure was much lower than normal.  Normally witth the well off the pressure in the system would take a minute to run the pressure out when the faucet was turned on and now the pressure runs down in about 5 seconds.

Suggestions would be great.

Crawl space mounted pump with a smaller pressure tank, 20 gallons or less.

I'll be going into the crawl to look at this in the morning but I don't recall any filters the last time I was down there, 3 years ago.
2/22/2013 6:07:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Sounds like your pressure tank is bad.
2/22/2013 6:07:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Pressure tank, if bladder less check with an air gauge, the kind you use on a car tire.



Most likely it is a bladder tank and you need a new one.
2/22/2013 6:07:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Start cheap and replace pressure switch.
2/22/2013 6:08:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Sounds like it hasn't lost prime. Does it have any filters that could be clogged?
2/22/2013 6:10:44 PM EDT
[#5]
If it's cycling with the water turned off, sounds like a bad check valve or hole in your stand pipe.  A bad pressure tank shouldn't cause cycling when you aren't running water.
2/22/2013 6:13:10 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Sounds like it hasn't lost prime. Does it have any filters that could be clogged?


Not that I'm aware of.

2/22/2013 6:13:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
If it's cycling with the water turned off, sounds like a bad check valve or hole in your stand pipe.  A bad pressure tank shouldn't cause cycling when you aren't running water.


Yeah im taking my suggestion back. if check valve is bad it will fill and then empty . BTW they are cheap too
2/22/2013 6:13:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Fetzer valve.

















Best I got.
2/22/2013 6:15:05 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
If it's cycling with the water turned off, sounds like a bad check valve or hole in your stand pipe.  A bad pressure tank shouldn't cause cycling when you aren't running water.


Is there a way to isolate the check valve to diagnose.  I'm guessing this valve keeps water from draining out of the system back to the well.

Not sure what the stand pipe is.

2/22/2013 6:17:37 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Start cheap and replace pressure switch.


Considered this but it cycles 2 seconds every 60 seconds when all fixtures are off.  Although if I'm guessing at bad parts i'LL probably start with this.

2/22/2013 6:18:33 PM EDT
[#11]
My pump was doing that last fall, apparently the pump had a hole worn through on it. $2400 later with a new pump it works dandy
2/22/2013 6:20:37 PM EDT
[#12]
Pressure tank could be shot, internal leak in bladder

Pressure switch diaphram could be Froze or switch just shot.     Moisture can freeze in the switch diaphram in this cold.

Put a small heater near the switch if thats your only choice.

I,ve had fun with these two myself lately when its 10-12 out ten feet down in the ground,,,seem only to happen when the wind screams for days and days and the wind chill is way low.          

good luck.


If your tank is more than 10 years old, its suspect

if its smallish, you might not have a capacitor start system that would also be suspect with age, ie. capacitor leak

what does your water press. gauge say if you have one that works

can you measure tank pressure with a tire gauge, and not get water out the schrader?     the reading should be approx. 20 pounds less than your pressure switch cutoff.
2/22/2013 6:20:53 PM EDT
[#13]
I think I have a bladder type pressure tank.  Would these symptoms indicate a possible slow leak pressure tank?  
The cut off is at a lower pressure now though.
2/22/2013 6:21:58 PM EDT
[#14]
Does the pressure tank have a air valve stem on it under the gauge? If so, turn off the pump, open your outside faucets, apply air from small compressor until line blows clear. Close faucet, apply 10 to 15lbs air, turn on pump, your pump is waterlogged. check this out

http://www.ehow.com/how_5997764_add-air-well-tank.html
2/22/2013 6:24:00 PM EDT
[#15]
If check valve is leaking , it will flow water back into well and then call for a refill , look there. It is probably on your inline pipe from well.
2/22/2013 6:34:23 PM EDT
[#16]

It really helps if you define if you're talking about a jet pump or a submersible.
2/22/2013 6:42:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Pressure tank.

Check the bladder pressure with a tire pressure gauge.

Should be in the neighborhood of 30# without knowing what your switch is set for.

Lots of videos on youtube explaining how to check this.
2/22/2013 6:45:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Bladder tank foe sho.  I just replaced mine last week and it was doing the same thing as you described.
2/22/2013 7:14:25 PM EDT
[#19]
The quick cycling when you have something turned on is a bad pressure tank.  The cycling less frequently when nothing is turned on sounds like a bad foot valve or either grits in it keeping it from sealing shut.
2/22/2013 7:28:41 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:

It really helps if you define if you're talking about a jet pump or a submersible.


It's a jet pump, in the crawl space.

3/22/2013 8:23:50 PM EDT
[#21]
Thanks for all the help!  It was the pressure tank to all that pointed to this.   About $250 in parts to install myself.