[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Lesson learned from the ammo panic (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/19/2013 8:21:09 AM EDT
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I am pretty young(23) so I don't remember when there was a time ammo was off the shelves for this long. I know from Hurricane Katrina that the government did not really help at all which is a lesson learned as well. The main thing I learned from this ammo/firearms panic is that s++t hits the fan quite fast and everything gets dried up in a a few weeks. So since now I can't buy ammo I am buying canned food and stocking up on water/ways to treat water. I am also looking to buying a generator of some sort to keep the power on as long as possible, and luckily I have a lil ammo stash to last the first wave of trolls. Good luck to you guys when SHTF. |
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At 23 you barely missed the last panic. When Obama was elected, come calibers were pretty unattainable for up to 9 months (380 comes to mind, but even after that there were a few other pistol rounds missing). I think 22lr was hard to find for about 4 months. I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. |
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Quoted: At 23 you barely missed the last panic. When Obama was elected, come calibers were pretty unattainable for up to 9 months (380 comes to mind, but even after that there were a few other pistol rounds missing). I think 22lr was hard to find for about 4 months. I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. O yea I forgot about Obama's first term. I was what 18 then, and could not even buy a handgun.lol |
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Quoted: Budgeting and saving for emergencies is the first and best prep you should take. In that same vein, if you remember to buy and set aside a box or two of your favorite calibers every other week, it adds up. Good advice and I am just learning this right now. |
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Budgeting and saving for emergencies is the first and best prep you should take. In that same vein, if you remember to buy and set aside a box or two of your favorite calibers every other week, it adds up. This is the route I took and it allows me to shoot every week if I choose without too much hesitation. Set your price point and stick to it, buy what you can when ammo is below said price point and save the cash when it is not. |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... first I've heard of it |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... first I've heard of it http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/54913284-180/apostle-lds-oaks-conference.html.csp "After all, the LDS Church’s food-storage program is about amassing a year’s supply of food and water, Oaks reminded the thousands watching in the giant arena, not "arms and ammunition."" The same comments have been reiterated by others. Their leadership has become VERY "PC" since the days of Benson. Very different than the days of their beginning, when you'd see rifles and/or shotguns propped up against the walls during meetings. From what I was told, the policy with KSL eliminating the firearms ads was passed down from the exec office building. They own KSL. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Budgeting and saving for emergencies is the first and best prep you should take. In that same vein, if you remember to buy and set aside a box or two of your favorite calibers every other week, it adds up. This is the route I took and it allows me to shoot every week if I choose without too much hesitation. Set your price point and stick to it, buy what you can when ammo is below said price point and save the cash when it is not. I am buying 12 gage since it's the only ammo in stock right now anywhere. |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... that sucks. At least you will have someone to trade ammo for food. 
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Budgeting and saving for emergencies is the first and best prep you should take. In that same vein, if you remember to buy and set aside a box or two of your favorite calibers every other week, it adds up. This is the route I took and it allows me to shoot every week if I choose without too much hesitation. Set your price point and stick to it, buy what you can when ammo is below said price point and save the cash when it is not. I am buying 12 gage since it's the only ammo in stock right now anywhere. Don't forget the 35rem and 17hmr. =] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... that sucks. At least you will have someone to trade ammo for food. That is true but those people better not try anything funny. |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... My friends in the LDS church are ignoring that bullshit, as they should. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... My friends in the LDS church are ignoring that bullshit, as they should. Yea I would ignore that bs as well. |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... Interesting from a religion that brought us John Browning |
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.......... So since now I can't buy ammo I am buying canned food and stocking up on water/ways to treat water. I am also looking to buying a generator of some sort to keep the power on as long as possible, and luckily I have a lil ammo stash to last the first wave of trolls. Good luck to you guys when SHTF. Good plan. Adaptability is your friend. eta: Quoted:
..............Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... Maybe the LDS leaders were late to the party and want a better chance to score some .22LR.
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Quoted: Quoted: .......... So since now I can't buy ammo I am buying canned food and stocking up on water/ways to treat water. I am also looking to buying a generator of some sort to keep the power on as long as possible, and luckily I have a lil ammo stash to last the first wave of trolls. Good luck to you guys when SHTF. Good plan. Adaptability is your friend. thanks |
| My wish list to aquire soon is a lead pot and molds for some of my guns. My 45-70 and .41 mag revolver could both concievably be loaded in black powder if I had bullets. I also maintain a muzzloading Rifle and percussion revolver with a large stash of caps. Black powder could be home grown if all else fails. I already have powder, bullets and primers to last a long time. |
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Quoted: Buy cheap, stack deep FPNI. The fact that I long ago adopted that as my SOP has served me well in this current "crisis of panic" and a few prior ones. Quoted: I don't envy the new folks when it comes to this kind thing. Amen! I can't imagine just starting out right now... very difficult and very expensive.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Buy cheap, stack deep FPNI. The fact that I long ago adopted that as my SOP has served me well in this current "crisis of panic" and a few prior ones. Quoted: I don't envy the new folks when it comes to this kind thing. Amen! I can't imagine just starting out right now... very difficult and very expensive. very. |
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I'm with VA-gunnut in that I don't envy young folks who are just now entering the fray. I was in my early 20's during the Clinton administration. Luckily I had a grandfather, uncle and some older friends who preached the "buy cheap stack deep" philosophy, they didn't use those words but that was the message conveyed.
I never remember a time where my brothers, cousins or close friends could not go out and shoot whenever we wanted. I am still shooting some Mini Mags from the '90's, now they have a 3.00 price sticker on them, for awhile I was shooting the ones with a 2.75 sticker. 500 rd bricks,not bulk pack, were bought at 6.99-7.99. I am using primers from the early 2000's and loading .224 dia. 55gr FMJ bullets that were 3.50/100. Start saving some cash so you can jump on deals as they become available over the next year-year and a half. If you find 5.56, .22LR or any other caliber you shoot for a price that seems like a steal, BUY IT without hesitation! I keep an eye on local boards, visit a few garage sales and ask if I notice anything firearm related. Also, new competition between sporting goods stores (in a normal environment) is a great time to stock up. Now isn't the time, but there was a window between the '08-09 shortage and this one, even if prices didn't drop to prior low points. Barring any legislation out of D.C. or your state, there will be opportunity again. |
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Quoted: I'm with VA-gunnut in that I don't envy young folks who are just now entering the fray. I was in my early 20's during the Clinton administration. Luckily I had a grandfather, uncle and some older friends who preached the "buy cheap stack deep" philosophy, they didn't use those words but that was the message conveyed. I never remember a time where my brothers, cousins or close friends could not go out and shoot whenever we wanted. I am still shooting some Mini Mags from the '90's, now they have a 3.00 price sticker on them, for awhile I was shooting the ones with a 2.75 sticker. 500 rd bricks,not bulk pack, were bought at 6.99-7.99. I am using primers from the early 2000's and loading .224 dia. 55gr FMJ bullets that were 3.50/100. Start saving some cash so you can jump on deals as they become available over the next year-year and a half. If you find 5.56, .22LR or any other caliber you shoot for a price that seems like a steal, BUY IT without hesitation! I keep an eye on local boards, visit a few garage sales and ask if I notice anything firearm related. Also, new competition between sporting goods stores (in a normal environment) is a great time to stock up. Now isn't the time, but there was a window between the '08-09 shortage and this one, even if prices didn't drop to prior low points. Barring any legislation out of D.C. or your state, there will be opportunity again. Great info. I am going to local gun shops weekly and looking online, but no deals yet.
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... Are you sure the leadership didn't give a wink after that statement? I'm sure it would be political suicide in the current environment for any church to encourage its members to stock up on guns and ammo. Most of the Mormons I know are well armed. |
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I am pretty young(23) so I don't remember when there was a time ammo was off the shelves for this long. You weren't around 4 years ago? If not, then I'm glad that this time around, you learned your lesson on the first try.
When I was a kid, I lived in a smallish town. One year, they said that the water supply to the town would be interrupted for up to ONE DAY while they worked on the water system. Within hours, not only was every case and bottle of water available gone, but MANY OF THE SHELVES OF FOOD were COMPLETELY EMPTY as well. And that's just a one-day, planned outage. I learned early that it doesn't take much for things to disappear in a hurry. |
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I disagree with the Mormon religion in general - but they have some good ideas about being prepared. Sadly, their leadership has recently told them not to stockpile guns and ammunition. I guess that means more for everyone else... They didn't necessarily say not to, if I recall, they said that food, water, fuel, etc. was the most important. But I could be mistaken. |
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I don't envy the new folks when it comes to this kind thing. Me too. I feel bad for the younger guys/girls trying to get guns/ammo now. I wish when I was just married back in the late 90s I would have bought a shitload more of 223 ammo for $99/1K. I am finally at a point where I feel comfortable with my ammo supply (comfortable, but never satisfied  )
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Quoted: I bought 1k M855 for ~$350 about a month before SH. I went to a gunshow this weekend and saw 1k loose-packed lacquer coated Wolf priced at $700 (I say priced because I don't think anyone was actually stupid enough to buy that). Made me wish I bought more... 700$ for wolf. That is fucked up.
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Budgeting and saving for emergencies is the first and best prep you should take. In that same vein, if you remember to buy and set aside a box or two of your favorite calibers every other week, it adds up. This is what I did. I never liked spending hundreds on big ammo purchases, but I bought a box or two every week and jokingly called it my payroll savings plan. I'm pretty well comfortable now, but I miss going in for a box of whatever when I'm in town. I know it's cheaper by the case, and I've done that too, but that's just the way I did it. |
My BIL shoots occasionally. So last weekend he went out to Wal Mart to get some 9mm totally unaware of the current market. Surprise, no ammo for you. I showed my wife the ammo counter at Bass Pro last week and she was like  . Yes honey there is an arms race going on at the time.
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OP, sounds like you're doing things right, buying food and other preps while there is a shortage of guns and ammo. Those preps will likely do you more good in the long run than a closet full of ammo, anyway.
Like others have said, buy a couple boxes of ammo each week/paycheck. It adds up over time. If you find a good deal on bulk ammo and you have the cash, buy it. If it's not a good deal, learn to pass. The things I'm going to work on are a) have more .22 on hand, b) have more plinking stuff in .223, and c) invest in a press and components once the panic dies down. |
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Quoted: OP, sounds like you're doing things right, buying food and other preps while there is a shortage of guns and ammo. Those preps will likely do you more good in the long run than a closet full of ammo, anyway. Like others have said, buy a couple boxes of ammo each week/paycheck. It adds up over time. If you find a good deal on bulk ammo and you have the cash, buy it. If it's not a good deal, learn to pass. The things I'm going to work on are a) have more .22 on hand, b) have more plinking stuff in .223, and c) invest in a press and components once the panic dies down. thanks |
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Quoted: I don't envy the new folks when it comes to this kind thing. I failed to acquire enough .22rf... Not going to make that mistake again, I'm going to wreck the supply of it once it becomes available again. Of course, with a lot of people feeling that way, it could be a long time. |