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Posted: 9/10/2002 11:55:04 PM EDT
American Gulf War Veterans Association Joyce Riley vonKleist, RN, BSN spokesperson P.O.Box 85, Versailles, Missouri 65084 (573) 378-6049 voice, (573) 378-5998 fax www.gulfwarvets.com, gulfwar@dam.net For Immediate Release: September 10, 2002 Contact Person: Gary Treece U.S. SUPPLIES, CALIBRATES AND ENDORSES USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN IRAQ As the Bush administration works to gain world support to conduct a pre-emptive strike against Iraq, new disturbing information has surfaced with regard to U.S. involvement in the development of Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons program. The pre-emptive strike is based upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney’s beliefs that there must be an invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein: 1. possesses weapons of mass destruction and the potential for nuclear weapons, 2. used these weapons on his own people (Kurds) and the Iranians, 3. has a history of lying to the world. According to information obtained by the AGWVA, there is irrefutable evidence to show that the Unites States government provided and encouraged Iraq’s use of chemical weapons. The United States Department of Commerce and The American Type Culture Collection (ATCC) provided at least 80 shipments of biological agents that were not attenuated (or weakened) and were capable of reproduction. These shipments included such virulent agents as Anthrax, West Nile Virus and Clostridium botulinum (S.R.103-900, May 25, 1994, pg. 264). The AGWVA also found it very disturbing to learn that on December 19, 1983, the Middle Eastern envoy who carried a handwritten note from President Reagan to Saddam Hussein, to “resume our diplomatic relations with Iraq” was none other than our present Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. According to “U.S. Diplomatic and Commercial Relationships with Iraq”, 1980-August 2, 2000, (www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html), Nathaniel Hurd states: “Iraq reportedly began using chemical weapons (CW) against Iranian troops in 1982, and significantly increased CW use in 1983… Shortly after removing Iraq from the terrorism sponsorship list, the Reagan administration approved the sale of 60 Hughes helicopters. Analysts recognized that “civilian” helicopters can be weaponized in a matter of hours and selling a civilian kit can be a way of giving military aid under the guise of civilian assistance.” Mark Phythian, in his book Arming Iraq: How the U.S. and Britain Secretly Built Saddam’s War Machine” (Northeastern University Press, 1997) stated: “ …the Secretaries of Commerce and State (George Baldridge and George Shultz) lobbied the NSC (National Security Council) advisor into agreeing to the sale to Iraq of 10 Bell helicopters, officially for crop spraying. It is believed that US-supplied choppers were used in the 1988 chemical attack on the Kurdish village Halabja, which killed 5000 people.” In his own book Turmoil and Triumph: My Years as Secretary of State, George Shultz refers to a declassified CIA report which notes Iraq’s use of mustard gas in August 1983, giving further credence to the suggestion that the State Department and/or the National Security Council (NSC) was well aware of Iraq’s use of chemical weapons at this time. If the use of chemical weapons was known in August of 1983, and Donald Rumsfeld went to Iraq in December of 1983, he was on notice that this country was using and was going to continue to use weapons of mass destruction. Why, then, did the United States move to de-list Iraq from those considered to be terrorist nations? On March 23, 1984, Iran accused Iraq of poisoning 600 of its soldiers with mustard gas and Tabun nerve gas. Donald Rumsfeld returned to Baghdad on March 24, 1984. On that same day, the UPI wire service reported that a team of UN experts had concluded that: “Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers. Meanwhile, Donald Rumsfeld held talks with foreign minister Tariq Aziz.” Probably the most critical piece of information is that according to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, in a December 15, 1986 article, the CIA began to secretly supply Iraq with intelligence in 1984 that was used to “calibrate” mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. It is public record that the U.S. not only armed Iraq from 1983 thru August 1, 1990, but that they also provided the money to Iraq to purchase the weapons via the Atlanta branch of the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL), George Bush, Sr., and the Export-Import Bank. Iraq received $5 Billion dollars funneled through the Commercial Credit Corporation ostensibly for food credits. It is also public information that at least $2 Billion dollars from the defaulted loan was repaid by the U.S. citizen taxpayers. Joyce Riley, spokesperson for the American Gulf War Veterans Association has for seven years been shining the light of accountability on the Department of Defense for having armed our “enemy” with weapons of mass destruction, exposing our military to these weapons and then denying not only their culpability but the very existence of the mystery diseases. She often quotes Senator Donald Riegle (D-MI) who stated in Senate Report 103-900, “Our troops are not just sick, they are dying.” Riley, a former Captain in the United States Air Force Reserve and Flight Nurse states: “If it wasn’t bad enough to watch our troops become ill from our own weapons… the Department of Defense labeled our sick men and women as “mental cases.” These proud men and women have been abandoned, are now sick and must fight the battle alone. These needless illnesses and deaths now lie at the feet of the Pentagon and Veterans’ Administration Hospitals.”
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 12:29:06 AM EDT
This is what happens when the U.S. gets involved in "foreign entanglements". Give it a decade or so and the "new afghan" govt will be enemy #1 with the U.S. again.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 12:33:41 AM EDT
B.S.[:K]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 4:09:48 AM EDT
If you bite the hand that feeds you, expect to get your ass kicked. If you bit it again expect to be put to sleep. THAT'S WHY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 4:19:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BrettA: The pre-emptive strike is based upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney’s beliefs that there must be an invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein: 1. possesses weapons of mass destruction and the potential for nuclear weapons, 2. used these weapons on his own people (Kurds) and the Iranians, 3. has a history of lying to the world.
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Okay. Also true of the Russians, the Chinese and others. Should we just launch all the nukes now?
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 6:25:32 AM EDT
Why war? Because Saddam is a doo-doo head!
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 6:39:05 AM EDT
Doesn't surprise me in the least. We fucked up, we helped make Saddam what he is today, and now we gotta deal with our mess.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 6:49:27 AM EDT
This is tin hat stuff, right up there with the theory that Bush 41 crossed the ocean by SR-71 blackbird to cut a deal for the Iran hostages.[%|]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 6:51:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: This is what happens when the U.S. gets involved in "foreign entanglements". Give it a decade or so and the "new afghan" govt will be enemy #1 with the U.S. again.
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WE created the machine that created Usama - to kill some godless Soviets for us. Then we pulled the rug out from under that machine. Foreign entanglements may well be our undoing.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:10:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:12:29 AM EDT
How does one "calibrate" the use of a WMD by another country? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me!
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:15:23 AM EDT
I call bullshit. We probably did aid Iraq with the war against Iran, but there's no way we'd supply them with chemical or biological agents. And the "West Nile Virus" thing has too much of a "ripped from today's headlines" feel. West Nile would make a lousy weapon. You rely on mosquitos to deliver it, and it only kills the aged, infirm, and the very young. I rate this one [:K][:K][:K][:K]four trolls.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:16:10 AM EDT
if, and it's a big if, we did make this "mistake", it ain't nothing that a couple of well placed nuclear weapons can't fix..... [:D]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:26:32 AM EDT
We helped Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war, but I call B.S. on giving them biological agents. Just WAY to out there. Av.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:27:42 AM EDT
[size=5][red]SHENANIGAN!![/red][/size=5]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:33:38 AM EDT
You know, as I watched a DVD on Sep 11 today, I was first overcome with the same gut-wrenching grief I felt that first day, when I saw sons who'd lost their fathers, paretns who'd lost their children, wives who'd lost their husbands. Then I felt a rage at the people who planned and executed this. But after that, I felt the same thing I did shortly after 9-11: a resolve that we shouldn't wait so long to deal with threats again. Brett is symptiomatic of two types of people rolled into one: First, the kind that refuses to accept that there are governments out there that hate us and would kill us if they could, and refuses to accept that refusing to deal with these governments NOW will lead to more attacks. And second, the black-helicopter conspiracy kook that blames all evil in the world on the US government. Frankly Brett, I can't decide which you make me more: angry or just sick. You're a fool if you believe the shit you posted, Brett. Just another fool.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:36:11 AM EDT
[:K][:K][:K][:K][:K] How many posts does this guy have? Can someone lock his account, its obvious what he's doing here. I don't blame Beekeeper from locking this thread before. Its a load of poppycock.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:38:36 AM EDT
Here's the main problem as I see it. The USA is the last remaining super power on thi s planet....right? As such I believe it is time we start the USA Empire and start expanding our boarders. We can start with the mid-east. Possibly an alliance with Russia. The US would take everything west of Iraq and Russia would take everything east. After that we should focus on Mexico and Canada. I figure Canada would take less then a week, Mexico 3 days if we hit during their siesta. Just an idea. [50] [flag] Sgtar15
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:40:34 AM EDT
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A good book; [url]http://www.francona.com/[/url] Excerpt from the book... Safwan, Iraq—March 17, 1991... "The three Iraqi officers were already seated when I escorted the Central Command chief of staff into the tent. The air was hot and oppressive—it would get hotter when tempers on both sides flared later during the meeting. The meeting had been requested by the Iraqis to discuss their declaration that they intended to move their fighter aircraft from dispersal and secondary fields back to their main bases. The Iraqi delegation consisted of two general officers and their interpreter—a familiar face I had not seen for well over two years—Major Majid Al-Hilawi of the Iraqi armed forces Directorate of Military Intelligence. To say I was stunned to see him would be an understatement—he seemed equally shocked. I was relieved to see that he had survived the war, since I knew that the Iraqi military intelligence headquarters compound had been bombed and severely damaged during the air war. In fact, I knew that the specific wing of the building that housed his office, where I had often sat with him, had been virtually destroyed. Today we were sitting on opposite sides of the negotiating table, now enemies. In an earlier chapter in Iraqi-U.S. relations, we were colleagues. Actually, more than colleagues—we were friends." Ally to Adversary – An Eyewitness Account of Iraq’s Fall From Grace tells the story of U.S. policy toward Iraq from the final year of the Iran-Iraq War through the end of the Persian Gulf War as seen through the eyes of a military officer intimately involved in the execution of that policy. [red]In the late 1980’s, the U.S. Department of Defense entered a cooperative relationship with the Iraqi Ministry of Defense.[/red] Rick Francona was one of the officers tasked with going to Baghdad to work with the Iraqi armed forces. During the course of his duties, he was exposed to senior Iraqi military officers and operations. This unique insight into Iraqi military operations, including the use of missile and chemical weapons, was to shape his key role in the U.S.-led Desert Storm coalition fighting Iraq three years later. A fluent Arabic speaker with extensive experience in the Middle East, Francona was selected to serve as General “Stormin’ Norman” Schwarzkopf’s interpreter. In Ally to Adversary, he relates his experiences in dealing with the Saudis and other members of the coalition, culminating in the ceasefire talks with the Iraqis. It was at a dusty airfield in U.S.-occupied southern Iraq where he came face-to-face with his past dealings with the same Iraqi officers he had worked with three years earlier. While Desert Storm was for many a war against a faceless enemy, for Rick Francona it was a war against friends and former colleagues.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 8:57:42 AM EDT
Link; [url]http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/bw/program.htm[/url]
Initial work at Muthanna was said to focus on literature studies, [red]until April 1986, when bacterial strains were received from overseas.[/red] Research then concentrated on the characterization of Bacillus anthracis (anthrax) and Clostridium botulinum (botulinum toxin) to establish pathogenicity, growth and sporulation conditions, and their storage parameters. (Anthrax is an acute bacterial disease of animals and humans that can be incurred by ingestion or inhalation of the bacterial spores or through skin lesions. Untreated, it is able to produce a fatal infection. Botulinum toxin can produce an acute muscular paralysis resulting in death of animals or humans.)
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:00:37 AM EDT
So, lib86, this means that you believe West Nile Virus is a bioweapon?
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:01:56 AM EDT
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Yeah Kev, you tell em! WNV is just a virus, so are all the other "bio weapons". It's what you do with them that counts. Maybe you ought to pull your head out of your ass.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:04:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:09:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By El_Coyote: WNV is just a virus, so are all the other "bio weapons". It's what you do with them that counts.
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Well, no. Not all bioweapons are virii and not all virii are bioweapons. The question is, is the WNV in the US because it was introduced as a bioweapon? The answer is, of course, no.
Maybe you ought to pull your head out of your ass.
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Maybe you ought to define to whom you're speaking so we know whose head and whose ass (assuming they belong to the same person).
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:15:32 AM EDT
.... so should we just become an isolationist nation again? As in we wait for "them" (who ever them will be) to get so big and powerfull and to hit us (again)?
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:27:56 AM EDT
"The world is full a-holes and occasionally some of them need wiped!"-M-Brickley aka. Fireguy3
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:31:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kaliburz: .... so should we just become an isolationist nation again?
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Yes, Sounds good to me.
As in we wait for "them" (who ever them will be) to get so big and powerfull and to hit us (again)?
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No, Go get them right now and dont ever stop.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:33:58 AM EDT
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I smell sh!t![:K]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:41:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kevin:
In the late 1980’s, the U.S. Department of Defense entered a cooperative relationship with the Iraqi Ministry of Defense.
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Wow, what earth shattering news!!!!!! [rolleyes]
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AFTER it was known that Saddam possesed and used Chemical weapons...
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:53:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:53:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: So, lib86, this means that you believe West Nile Virus is a bioweapon?
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I really hadn't thought of west nile as a bio weapon....Here's some old news..[url]http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/studycommerce.htm[/url]
Study: Commerce Dept. aided Iraqi arms buildup By Christopher Drew Chicago Tribune June 20, 1991 WASHINGTON—The Commerce Department helped Saddam Hussein build his war machine in the late 1980s by approving the sale of millions of dollars of sensitive U.S. technology to military agencies and research centers in Iraq, according to a study released Wednesday. The equipment ranged from advanced computers to precision machine tools, and the buyers included entities that US intelligence officials knew were involved in Iraqi efforts to develop nuclear weapons and missiles like the Scuds fired at Israel and Saudi Arabia in the Persian Gulf war. Yet the Commerce Department approved some of the technology sales without consulting the Defense, State or Energy Departments, as required under federal rules, the study contended. The study was prepared by the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, an affiliate of the University of Wisconsin Law School, which examined documents relating to the Commerce Department's approval of 771 licenses for the export of $1.5 billion worth of goods to Iraq from 1985 through 1990. All of the items were "dual-use" products, those that could have either civilian or military applications. Only $500 million of the $1.5 billion worth of goods were delivered to Baghdad, because some contracts fell through and sanctions were imposed after Iraq invaded Kuwait last August. Several congressional committees also are reviewing the sales, and a number of critics share the Wisconsin group's conclusion that the licensing system "suffered a massive breakdown in the period preceding the gulf war." They suggest speedy reforms before the US inadvertently helps to arm another potentially hostile dictator. Some critics see the main problem as a conflict between the Commerce Department's twin roles as the government's chief trade-promotion agency and as a regulator. In its report, the Wisconsin group cited a number of sales that it said the Commerce Department could have blocked under regulations specifically designed to prevent other countries from using American technology to develop nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles. In early 1988, for instance, the department granted licenses to a German company to ship $1.4 million worth of US machine tools and lasers to Iraq, even though the application said the tools and lasers were to be used for "general military repair applications such as jet engines, rocket cases, etc." About that time, Commerce officials also authorized the sale of more than $2 million worth of quartz crystals to Iraqi trading companies that said they wanted to use them as "components in a ground radar system," the Wisconsin group said. And in late 1989, Commerce officials allowed one of the Iraqi firms to buy frequency synthesizers valued at $140,000 to "calibrate, adjust and test surveillance radar," the report said. The study said the Commerce Department did not consult with the State Department, as required in federal regulations, before approving either of the radar-related sales. Commerce Department officials declined Wednesday to discuss the Wisconsin group's findings. But they contended in a written statement that "all licenses to Iraq were decided in accordance with export control policies then in effect" and coordinated with other US agencies "to the extent possible." Some department officials also have said they had no authority to block most of the sales after the State Department dropped Iraq from a watch list of countries supporting terrorism in 1982. One former Pentagon official, Stephen Bryen, told a House subcommittee recently that the Commerce Department repeatedly tried to prevent his office from reviewing sensitive export license applications during the 1980s. "Obviously, there is something wrong in a system where, despite clear-cut evidence, the agency with supervisory, legal responsibility to regulate sensitive exports is, in fact, doing everything it can to promote exports and to neutralize those in the government who object," Bryen said. A former top Commerce Department official, Dennis Kloske, also has testified that he tried to snarl some of the sales to Iraq "in red tape" after he failed early in 1990 to make his concern about them ''clear at the very highest levels" of the Bush administration. The Wisconsin report also contended that Commerce officials ignored a warning from the Pentagon in late 1986 that Iraq was developing missiles and unconventional weapons at a site called "Sa'ad 16." Commerce later approved the sales of more than $500,000 in computers, $290,000 worth of precision electronic and photographic equipment and $850,000 worth of high-performance testing equipment to organizations linked to the research at that site. Commerce officials also told a New Jersey company in 1989 that it did not need a license to export a sophisticated furnace to Iraq, even though company officials were concerned that it could aid Iraq's nuclear weapons program, according to press reports. The White House blocked that shipment in June, 1990, after Pentagon officials learned about plans for it and intervened. The Wisconsin group said one problem is that the law normally requires the government to keep export license applications secret. It recommended that the authority to approve such exports be transferred to the Pentagon and that quarterly summaries of the licensing actions be made public.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:54:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: This is old news, and a matter of public record ([url=http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medsearch/FocusAreas/riegle_report/staff_report/staff_report_index.htm]US Senate Gulf War Hearings[/url]). I wish it weren't true, but I'm afraid so guys. [:(]
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Like Big Bear says, its old news. You may question the timing, but to question the validity is to make yourself look silly. "Calling BS" makes you a Big Stupid. I have MORE bad news for you. Our gov't SLAUGHTERED 59,000 of our best and brightest in a war they never intended to win. Its called the VietNam War. You may have heard of it. Americas the greatest nation the world has ever known. It STILL is. But don't be so naieve as to think that certain US political figures are incapable of evil, or at least HORRIBLY bad judgment. And don't be so naieve to think the chickens won't come home to roost.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:55:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2002 10:13:19 AM EDT by EricTheHun]
Wow, [b]Liberty86[/b], I never knew you cared about Saddam so damn much! Jeepers, now I understand why you would hate to see the US take out Saddam! There was a time when Saddam Hussein was doing exactly what the United States wanted him to do with respect to Iran. There was also a time when Osama Bin Laden was doing exactly what the United States wanted him to do in Afghanistan. Guess what? They both stabbed us in the back! Stop the presses! [b]Loyalties sometime change, get over it![/b] Col. Washington, a loyal officer in the King's Service, during the French and Indian Wars in the 1750s, became General Washington, the head of the Continental Army, during the American Revolution, in the 1770-80s. I wonder what King George III thought about that development? Eric The(Honest)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 9:56:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By redray: [size=5][red]SHENANIGAN!![/red][/size=5]
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[size=5][red]SHENANIGANS!! SHENANIGANS!![/size=5][/red]
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West Nile, despite it's name, had in recent years been most prevalent in the former republics of the old Soviet Union and had made its way into Eastern Europe the year before it appeared on our shores, in the Czech Republic. The Name West Nile was given to the viral strain where it was first identified years ago. West nile probably hitched a ride over here on a Starlifter returning from Bosnia.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 10:00:26 AM EDT
I say we give the Ruskies Afganistan with a great big bow on it (dropping a hint that for Christmas we'd reeeeaaalllly like VietNam). I don't think Canada would take long and Mexico proper would capitulate in 48 hours, however all the able bodied Mexican "combatants" have already infiltrated the US.
Originally Posted By sgtar15: Here's the main problem as I see it. The USA is the last remaining super power on thi s planet....right? As such I believe it is time we start the USA Empire and start expanding our boarders. We can start with the mid-east. Possibly an alliance with Russia. The US would take everything west of Iraq and Russia would take everything east. After that we should focus on Mexico and Canada. I figure Canada would take less then a week, Mexico 3 days if we hit during their siesta. Just an idea. [50] [flag] Sgtar15
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 10:00:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: I really hadn't thought of west nile as a bio weapon
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Then you didn't read Brett's original post.
Link Posted: 9/11/2002 10:09:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Big_Bear: This is old news, and a matter of public record ([url=http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medsearch/FocusAreas/riegle_report/staff_report/staff_report_index.htm]US Senate Gulf War Hearings[/url]). I wish it weren't true, but I'm afraid so guys. [:(]
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Thanks Bear, I been looking for this all morning.... Fresh Crow anyone???
On October 27, 1992, the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs held hearings that revealed that the United States had exported chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile-system equipment to Iraq that was converted to military use in Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons program. Many of these weapons -- weapons that the U.S. and other countries provided critical materials for -- were used against us during the war.
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[url]http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medsearch/FocusAreas/riegle_report/staff_report/staff_report_s01.htm[/url]
On February 9, 1994, Chairman Donald W. Riegle, Jr. disclosed on the U.S. Senate floor that the U.S. government actually licensed the export of deadly microorganisms to Iraq. It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 10:17:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By liberty86: I really hadn't thought of west nile as a bio weapon
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Then you didn't read Brett's original post.
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Seems to me, it was mentioned in a passing reference. The main point of the post being that the US helped Iraq gain access to chem/bio precursors. I think the point has been made that it's true...
According to information obtained by the AGWVA, there is irrefutable evidence to show that the Unites States government provided and encouraged Iraq’s use of chemical weapons. The United States Department of Commerce and The American Type Culture Collection (ATCC) provided at least 80 shipments of biological agents that were not attenuated (or weakened) and were capable of reproduction. These shipments included such virulent agents as Anthrax, West Nile Virus and Clostridium botulinum (S.R.103-900, May 25, 1994, pg. 264).
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Link Posted: 9/11/2002 10:20:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kevin: Has anyone ever won a Chess game and retained all their pieces???
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Theres a larger issue here than a few pharmaceuticals in the hands of someone with permanent rectal itch. We USE AND ABUSE Saddam to kill some Iraqis, then we TURN ON HIM. Surprise!!!!! He hates America. We USE AND ABUSE Usama to kill some Soviets, then we TURN ON HIM. SURPRISE!!!!!!! He hates America. Insanity is using the same methods, and expecting different results.
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Wow, [b]Liberty86[/b], I never knew you cared about Saddam so damn much! Jeepers, now I understand why you would hate to see the US take out Saddam! There was a time when Saddam Hussein was doing exactly what the United States wanted him to do with respect to Iran. There was also a time when Osama Bin Laden was doing exactly what the United States wanted him to do in Afghanistan. Guess what? They both stabbed us in the back! Stop the presses! [b]Loyalties sometime change, get over it![/b] Col. Washington, a loyal officer in the King's Service, during the French and Indian Wars in the 1750s, became General Washington, the head of the Continental Army, during the American Revolution, in the 1770-80s. I wonder what King George III thought about that development? Eric The(Honest)Hun[>]:)]
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You and others miss my points entirely. We should not be meddling in sovereign countries. How long will it be before we have to go in after whoever WE replace Saddam with turns on us?? More;
The Committee has submitted samples for analysis to several renowned laboratories, including the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's Forensic Science Center.[71] In biological analyses, based on preliminary testing using advanced DNA analyses and screening techniques, unique DNA sequences were detected. Q-fever and Brucella were indicated on the inside of a gas mask carrying case, the top of a gas mask filter, and under the rubber seal of a mask submitted to the Committee for analysis by U.S. Persian Gulf War veterans who brought them back from the Middle East.[72] When additional primer pairs were compared, the findings were negative. These tests were repeated with identical findings -- that is, the same identical unique DNA primer pairs were indicated.[73] While false positive DNA testing can occur with only a single primer pair analysis, these results can also be indicative of the presence of only a single strand -- perhaps due to the presence of another genetically-altered biological warfare-related microorganism.[74] We do know that the U.S. licensed the export of genetic materials capable of being used to create these types of genetically-altered biological warfare agents to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission -- an Iraqi governmental agency that conducted biological warfare-related research prior to the war.[75]
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Since most of this stuff was exported to Iraq AFTER Saddam had used Chem weapons against the kurds, do you really think there was doubt as to what these items would be used for?? Remember the adage of communist dialectics; First create the problem...then supply the solution.
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