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2/1/2013 3:55:29 PM EDT
Right now, we are using arfcom, youtube, fb, etc. To coordinate and spread info.



What type of methods will we use if the "power " is cut?
2/1/2013 3:56:47 PM EDT
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2/1/2013 3:58:17 PM EDT
[#2]




Sweet. Is that a fax?

(i am just happy we have comms guys amongst us. Apparently).
2/1/2013 4:02:48 PM EDT
[#3]





What kind of encryption do you use on a rig like that?



 
2/1/2013 4:03:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:


What kind of encryption do you use on a rig like that?
 

Doubt he uses encryption, looks ham, and encryption is against the rules
2/1/2013 4:08:06 PM EDT
[#5]
No encryption. Current regulations mandate everything be sent in the clear. But things are subject to change were conditions to warrant.



That said, finding my exact frequency and being set up to de-code whatever digital mode I'm using ain't gonna happen...except for the folks who have that information.



2/1/2013 4:10:00 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes, encryption is against the rules.  There may come a time when there are no rules.  
2/1/2013 4:12:43 PM EDT
[#7]
2/1/2013 4:17:11 PM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:


No encryption. Current regulations mandate everything be sent in the clear. But things are subject to change were conditions to warrant.



That said, finding my exact frequency and being set up to de-code whatever digital mode I'm using ain't gonna happen...except for the folks who have that information.





I would imagine that very short bursts on different frequencies would be fairly safe, that is what intelligence people did during the early days of the cold war, and IIRC submarines did for a long time was well.



Of course the old fashioned voice transmissions of numbers and letters and a one time pad would still work as well as ever, although that would require a highly portable transmitter.



 
2/1/2013 4:18:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:

Of course the old fashioned voice transmissions of numbers and letters and a one time pad would still work as well as ever, although that would require a highly portable transmitter.
 


One time pad is unbreakable, but very impractical.
2/1/2013 4:20:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:


What kind of encryption do you use on a rig like that?
 

Doubt he uses encryption, looks ham, and encryption is against the rules


The chair is against the wall, John has a long mustache!
2/1/2013 4:28:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Can you hear me now?









2/1/2013 4:32:24 PM EDT
[#12]




Will you be my friend so I can know what the fuck is going on.



Thanks.
2/1/2013 5:09:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Can you hear me now?


I like those Yaesu 2900 radios so much I own 3 of them.  
2/1/2013 5:19:22 PM EDT
[#14]

ARFcom Ham Radio Forum

2/1/2013 5:23:02 PM EDT
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2/1/2013 5:29:32 PM EDT
[#16]
Carrier pigeon?
2/1/2013 6:19:47 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Can you hear me now?


I like those Yaesu 2900 radios so much I own 3 of them.  


They are a damn good radio for the money.
2/1/2013 6:51:29 PM EDT
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2/1/2013 6:57:30 PM EDT
[#19]
Something like my mess here


2/1/2013 7:00:47 PM EDT
[#20]
What kind of cheddar to buy stuff like that?
2/1/2013 7:03:57 PM EDT
[#21]
To get started 2 Pmags , full coverage starting about 20 p mags  
2/1/2013 7:07:04 PM EDT
[#22]
Why don't we fox them ?
2/1/2013 7:10:46 PM EDT
[#23]



Quoted:


To get started 2 Pmags , full coverage starting about 20 p mags  


Panic, or pre-panic prices?

 





2/1/2013 7:12:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

Quoted:
To get started 2 Pmags , full coverage starting about 20 p mags  

Panic, or pre-panic prices?  




Two pre panic mags would get you a real fixer upper rig.
2/1/2013 7:15:34 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:

Quoted:
To get started 2 Pmags , full coverage starting about 20 p mags  

Panic, or pre-panic prices?  




There are some semi decent Chinese radios that are not too hard on the wallet.  
http://aaradio.com/cartfile/Anytone/AT5888UV.html
http://aaradio.com/cartfile/Wouxun/KGUV6D.html

These radios are not locked to the amateur bands so be careful about what frequency you transmit on.  

My 75 watt 2 meter (VHF) radio was $150 or so.  
My HF/VHF/UHF radio was $860 or so.

2/1/2013 7:33:25 PM EDT
[#26]
It really depends on how cheap you want to really start off with



Cheap Chinese handhelds start at 40 bucks and you can spend upward of 15,000 bucks on a good desk top HF rig so like any thing its all in what you want .



Get your Ham Tech lic  and start off with a $150-$500 moblie Vhf or Vhf-Uhf rig with a 30-100 antenna with 20 bucks for mount and coax . That will get you coverage up to 60 miles in most places and conditions from your car or a bit more range from an antenna on your house and a bit more in coax . Alot of ppl start with a hand held and I recommend against that unless you are in an urban environment or you just want to listen . I say then get a handheld in the $40-$400  range . If you want more you can get your general ticket with gives you wide access to the HF bands where you can contact people regionally up to word wide on a rig from $600-$15000  , there are some decent rigs out there for around under $1200  add about a $100 in coax and 50 in wire and other stuff you can have the world at your finger tips .
2/1/2013 7:38:10 PM EDT
[#27]


Paul
(Amateur Extra Class)
2/1/2013 7:45:04 PM EDT
[#28]
Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network".   How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network?  I know very little about radios.   But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state?   What would be involved?  








2/1/2013 7:49:44 PM EDT
[#29]
My dad had an old ham radio and we setup an antenna during the first gulf war. I remember hearing foreign broadcasts.  I want to say German and British stiff.


Possible?

I remember something about radio waves bouncing off the troposhere or some shit.

Edit: or was it ionosphere?
2/1/2013 7:51:42 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network".   How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network?  I know very little about radios.   But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state?   What would be involved?  





This.

And what kind of stuff do I need to know in order to pass the test, I was an RTO in various units in the army, is that a useful foundation or relatively useless?
2/1/2013 7:57:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network".   How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network?  I know very little about radios.   But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state?   What would be involved?  





This.

And what kind of stuff do I need to know in order to pass the test, I was an RTO in various units in the army, is that a useful foundation or relatively useless?



Guys, I posted a link to the ARFcom Ham forum up above. The top three stickied posts are relevant to your interests. There are several excellent guides there, too, to help get you licensed.


2/1/2013 8:13:08 PM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:



Quoted:


Quoted:

Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network".   How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network?  I know very little about radios.   But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state?   What would be involved?  












This.



And what kind of stuff do I need to know in order to pass the test, I was an RTO in various units in the army, is that a useful foundation or relatively useless?






Guys, I posted a link to the ARFcom Ham forum up above. The top three stickied posts are relevant to your interests. There are several excellent guides there, too, to help get you licensed.











 



oh, yeah.  Thanks
2/2/2013 1:22:45 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
My dad had an old ham radio and we setup an antenna during the first gulf war. I remember hearing foreign broadcasts.  I want to say German and British stiff.


Possible?

I remember something about radio waves bouncing off the troposhere or some shit.

Edit: or was it ionosphere?


Possible and yes ionosphere.
2/3/2013 5:43:22 PM EDT
[#34]
Now with even more relevancy.
2/3/2013 6:38:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Tag.
2/3/2013 6:51:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Good questions to ask in these times.  Need to make a post over in the ham section of the outdoors forums.  Licensed general here.
2/3/2013 6:59:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Yes, encryption is against the rules.  There may come a time when there are no rules.  


Like Vietnam?
2/3/2013 7:05:35 PM EDT
[#38]



Quoted:


Good questions to ask in these times.  Need to make a post over in the ham section of the outdoors forums.  Licensed general here.


There is a ton of information, and a lot of folks with a lot of knowledge over there.  I've been trying to sort through the different sections in order to get enough knowledge so I can ask an intelligent question.  

 



What thing I found fascinating is that you link computers with this technology.  Basically create a LAN network.  




" Speaking of the Internet, I've discussed above mainly voice communications. However, hams also have packet radio technology at their disposal. So email and traffic nets can be set up without relying on the Internet –– instead of wire and fiber, RF is substituted. Think of it as a wireless LAN, capable being accessed by anyone in an area of a few dozen miles in diameter. "  




This has potential.  Tthere IS an active network of ARFcom operators already.  They have planned broadcasts.  It seems that the more of us involved in this, the better.  Still don't know "what I don't know".  But I know enough that I have to be licences, and there are various levels to this.   They have threads over there for taking the test.  




I'm very interested in this.  I think I'm going to go ahead and look into getting a basic set-up and get licences and continue to "lurk" and read.






2/3/2013 7:07:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Good questions to ask in these times.  Need to make a post over in the ham section of the outdoors forums.  Licensed general here.


Here is a link to a thread I made for those interested.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_22/663390_.html&page=1http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_22/663390_.html&page=1
2/3/2013 7:07:35 PM EDT
[#40]




Quoted:

Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network". How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network? I know very little about radios. But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state? What would be involved?













Arfcom network is on the air a couple times a week.



Repeaters are ordinarily used for 6 meters and higher freqs...which have a fairly limited range. FM is the usual mode on repeaters...which is 'line of sight'.



Digital NVIS comms will reach much farther and can be relayed in order to reach all stations on the network.



2/3/2013 7:11:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Yes, encryption is against the rules.  There may come a time when there are no rules.  


But it wouldn't take much effort to triangulate your position.
2/3/2013 7:20:31 PM EDT
[#42]
My avatar.
2/3/2013 7:27:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Yes, encryption is against the rules.  There may come a time when there are no rules.  


Like Vietnam?




Shut the fuck up Donny.
2/3/2013 7:37:29 PM EDT
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2/3/2013 10:40:19 PM EDT
[#45]
So say I am looking to get communication devices, what should I get?

I have nothing currently, so I am interested in obtaining some.

Advice, Reccomendations, cost?
2/3/2013 11:02:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
It really depends on how cheap you want to really start off with

Cheap Chinese handhelds start at 40 bucks and you can spend upward of 15,000 bucks on a good desk top HF rig so like any thing its all in what you want .

Get your Ham Tech lic  and start off with a $150-$500 moblie Vhf or Vhf-Uhf rig with a 30-100 antenna with 20 bucks for mount and coax . That will get you coverage up to 60 miles in most places and conditions from your car or a bit more range from an antenna on your house and a bit more in coax . Alot of ppl start with a hand held and I recommend against that unless you are in an urban environment or you just want to listen . I say then get a handheld in the $40-$400  range . If you want more you can get your general ticket with gives you wide access to the HF bands where you can contact people regionally up to word wide on a rig from $600-$15000  , there are some decent rigs out there for around under $1200  add about a $100 in coax and 50 in wire and other stuff you can have the world at your finger tips .


FIL has something like that in his basement.  My wife says he can talk to people in russia.  Need to pick his brain (too bad he lives 3 hours from here).  I have an old Kenwood analog in-car police radio.  Is that similar to the Vhf mobile listed above?  I guess I need to check out the Ham forum.  

I see that there is a kind of Arf radio of sorts, bet half the listeners are Feds
2/3/2013 11:09:57 PM EDT
[#47]
Still working out some kinks...

2/3/2013 11:12:29 PM EDT
[#48]
I let my "General" class license expire years ago, but would like to remind those who don't want to go through the trouble that they can buy a shortwave receiver and string up a dipole to listen.  That way you could get the information about "where" people are organizing should the time come and in the mean time you can listen to broadcasts from around the world.
2/4/2013 4:59:24 AM EDT
[#49]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Would it be possible to set up an "ARFcom network".   How many members would there have to be have a functional communication network?  I know very little about radios.   But can't "repeater stations" be set up so that say a person in Florida can communicate with say someone in Washington state?   What would be involved?  












This.



And what kind of stuff do I need to know in order to pass the test, I was an RTO in various units in the army, is that a useful foundation or relatively useless?


learn the rules and you have most of the tech down already

 



learn some electronics and you'll move up to general.....










HAM is rather easy to get started in.... the link to the forum has been posted already (and we have weekly nets to practice)
2/4/2013 5:02:01 AM EDT
[#50]





Quoted:





Quoted:


Yes, encryption is against the rules.  There may come a time when there are no rules.  






But it wouldn't take much effort to triangulate your position.






 






I'm sorry, that was mean
















no......









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