Posted: 1/18/2013 7:20:17 PM EDT
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Or how to lose old friends.
Granted this guy is a nut case but this is how you do it. Useful Idiot-I believe that tax, health and economic policy will have far more impact on underlying causes of gun violence then anything else. I really shouldn't say this as it will stir up posters that I have no plan to respond to, but that facts are that muskets, the primary firearm at the time the law was written, were only significantly effective when fired in volley from organized units. There is zero question, given historical context, that the right was intended to accompany militia originally. To my knowledge the individual right interpretation was encouraged by post civil war leaders to encourage freedmen to arm themselves against our first brutal episode of widespread domestic terror. That being the KKK and similar militia groups who rode around the countryside burning churches, running supporters of freedmen out of town, and hanging black people. That is my understanding of the historical context. Me-Useful Idiiot, It is good news that you prefaced your wildly ignorant post with the promise not to reply . Your fantastical interpretation of a fairly simple subject needs less amplification not more. Your analysis of the Bill of Rights and post civil war gun laws is so blatantly wrong you are either, a useful idiot, jackass or a paid shill. Out of respect for your ability to run a role playing game I will call you a shill. You disregard the huge volume of historical records of the framers of the constitution and their contemporaries stating exactly that the second amendment is a personal right. Furthermore the SCOTUS has never ruled the 2nd as a collective right. Your rationalization of the use of muskets in mass formation is completely off base. Mass formations were the main form of nation war far before and until at-least WWI. It is strictly a function of Command and Control. Moving soldiers and maintaining cohesion prior to the advent and military use of radios required simple commands. Sticks, swords, spears and massed formations. Men had to hear and then follow the unit commanders orders. To imply that muskets are ineffective by themselves is a curious statement. First rifled"accurate" barrels predate the War of Independence and were used by both sides. Second and more important you fail to note the absolute utility of individual muskets for hunting and personal defense prior to, during and after the war. Nor do you bother to delve into historical origins of the American Soldier as a "Sharpshooter". The historical revision you present regarding post civil war gun laws is a good indictment against relying on Salon magazine for "facts". Pick up a book. Anyways you manage to get things completely assbackwards. Given the fact that gun ownership was and is an individual right, after the Civil War Southern Democrats started writing restrictive gun laws designed to keep certain people "African-Americans" from owning guns. Defeating These Jim Crow laws was one if not the main reason the NRA started getting involved in gun rights in the 1960's. Gun control is racist. Like the reconstruction era today's gun grabbers do not want to get rid of guns. They just want to make sure they the "right" people have guns i.e. the rich and "important". I hope they pay you well. |
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The word "people" in the Bill of Rights means "state." Gotcha.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people state peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The right of the people state to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people state. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people state. How about this one? The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people state thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures. When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people state fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. That seems kind of silly since that was the reason for the amendment in the first place. Maybe when they used the word people, they meant the people, not the states. |
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The word "people" in the Bill of Rights means "state." Gotcha. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people state peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The right of the people state to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people state. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people state. How about this one? The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people state thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures. When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people state fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. That seems kind of silly since that was the reason for the amendment in the first place. Maybe when they used the word people, they meant the people, not the states. I will use a variation of your post if he replies. Good work. |