Posted: 1/17/2013 3:26:31 PM EDT
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At the high point of my adult, civilian shooting, I would go through 100 rounds of rifle, and 250 rounds of pistol a pass at the range.
But eventually, the ammo that was being saved for WW III was all sold, it became more expensive, so I turned down my shooting to 20-30 rounds of rifle and 50-75 of pistol. Today, I was at the range and fired................... 5 rounds of rifle and 18 rounds of pistol. One of the things of this panic buying that has bugged me is that the gun store where my range is has been so packed, I couldn't get on a lane for an hour or two after I arrived, so I've been staying away. But this morning, I so much wanted to shoot, I just had to go.......and buy their ammo so not to touch my stash. M. V. Lonsdale commented in "CQB" that frequent, regular, small periods of practice was better than infrequent, long sessions and in this new year, that's what I am going to try to do, especially since this ammo shortage encourages such. Get to the range in an off time, space out my bouts over shooting days, and use (buy) their ammo as much as possible. _________________________________________________________ (".....They laughed, they loved, They fought, they drank, They jumped a lot of fences, They robbed the rich, Gave to the poor, Except what they kept for expenses So when other legends are forgotten, We'll remember back when things were rotten, Yay for Robin Hood!", lyrics, (w,stte), theme song for "When Things Were Rotten") |
| i just shot 250 rounds of 45 and 100 rounds of 223 on saturday. you guys need to reload. i think im down to 20500 rounds after this past weekend. i learned my lesson in the panic of 08 as you guys will learn this time around. buy ammo every paycheck until you have it stacked deep or start reloading. |
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A 23 round range trip seems like a complete waste of time. It is. I shot 150 rounds of 223 the last time I went. Looks like I will be getting a need hobby for about 6-8 months as I wait for prices to come down. I'm going to save $ and buy a motorcycle I think. |
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A 23 round range trip seems like a complete waste of time. To each their own. I was on the range for about 45 minutes actual, an hour clocked, firing that amount. Further, with a range membership, that kind of approach has been "popular" for years. Ie, passing the range, stop by, practice a magazine, go on my way. Quoted:
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Wow, 5 rounds of rifle and 18 rounds of pistol. A lot braver than me. Are you a .338 Lapua and .500 S&W kind of guy? No.........more like an AR-10 and .45 kind of girl. Quoted:
I think this might be your first coherent and logical(ish) post! You may want to start reloading. As things go, I have been slowly edging that way for years. I "inherited" my now ex sister in law's father's equipment......which means it is probably about 2 generations back. I keep as much of my brass as I can. I just haven't been able to start the process. SIGH! Like the new cowgirl on the ranch, find more books, those about reloading. _____________________________________________________________________________ ("The odds of her turning up are astronomical!"--Felix "No, more like even money. Her insatiable commitment to larceny attracted to my unbeatable charm."--007, (w,stte), "Diamonds are Forever") |
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Load your own, tweak your loads, crony your shots, log every thing, scope and map all shots, find the perfect combo. Make it an art, a labour of love, a quest; make a day of it drink a good cup of Joe, smoke a cigar.
Beats blasting through 500 rounds in 15 mins. and going home. |
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A 23 round range trip seems like a complete waste of time. To each their own. I was on the range for about 45 minutes actual, an hour clocked, firing that amount. Further, with a range membership, that kind of approach has been "popular" for years. Ie, passing the range, stop by, practice a magazine, go on my way. Quoted:
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Wow, 5 rounds of rifle and 18 rounds of pistol. A lot braver than me. Are you a .338 Lapua and .500 S&W kind of guy? No.........more like an AR-10 and .45 kind of girl. Quoted:
I think this might be your first coherent and logical(ish) post! You may want to start reloading. As things go, I have been slowly edging that way for years. I "inherited" my now ex sister in law's father's equipment......which means it is probably about 2 generations back. I keep as much of my brass as I can. I just haven't been able to start the process. SIGH! Like the new cowgirl on the ranch, find more books, those about reloading. _____________________________________________________________________________ ("The odds of her turning up are astronomical!"--Felix "No, more like even money. Her insatiable commitment to larceny attracted to my unbeatable charm."--007, (w,stte), "Diamonds are Forever") Post 13,000 
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A 23 round range trip seems like a complete waste of time. To each their own. I was on the range for about 45 minutes actual, an hour clocked, firing that amount. Further, with a range membership, that kind of approach has been "popular" for years. Ie, passing the range, stop by, practice a magazine, go on my way. Quoted:
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Wow, 5 rounds of rifle and 18 rounds of pistol. A lot braver than me. Are you a .338 Lapua and .500 S&W kind of guy? No.........more like an AR-10 and .45 kind of girl. Quoted:
I think this might be your first coherent and logical(ish) post! You may want to start reloading. As things go, I have been slowly edging that way for years. I "inherited" my now ex sister in law's father's equipment......which means it is probably about 2 generations back. I keep as much of my brass as I can. I just haven't been able to start the process. SIGH! Like the new cowgirl on the ranch, find more books, those about reloading. _____________________________________________________________________________ ("The odds of her turning up are astronomical!"--Felix "No, more like even money. Her insatiable commitment to larceny attracted to my unbeatable charm."--007, (w,stte), "Diamonds are Forever") Well, cartridge technology hasn't really changed much in the last 100 years or so... I think it'll probably work just fine.
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Load your own, tweak your loads, crony your shots, log every thing, scope and map all shots, find the perfect combo. Make it an art, a labour of love, a quest; make a day of it drink a good cup of Joe, smoke a cigar. Beats blasting through 500 rounds in 15 mins. and going home. Well, as things go, I do log every shot and the factors that influence things. While I've been doing that since I took shooting back up, say the past 13.5 years, it goes more back to my intelligence days. Constantly taking notes is just ingrained in me. But it is one of the reasons why even 23 shots can take an hour on the range. I do a bout, bring back the Sil, log my shots, tape up the paperman, and send him to his next position. Is it a labor of love? For me, probably not.......not as much as a mark of professionalism. Got to go. _______________________________________________________________________ ("I feel calm, in control."--Ezri Dax......holding, sighting in with the TR116, a Starfleet sniper rifle, (w,stte), DS 9, "Field of Fire") |
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Quoted: Load your own, tweak your loads, crony your shots, log every thing, scope and map all shots, find the perfect combo. Make it an art, a labour of love, a quest; make a day of it drink a good cup of Joe, smoke a cigar. Beats blasting through 500 rounds in 15 mins. and going home. Well said man. |
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any of the rifle reloaders using a brass catcher? Of the 5 7.62 I fired today, only one piece of brass was recovered. The AR-10 does a quite impressive job of throwing it into the range. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Who said Bonnie Reynolds was thrown 25 feet into that culvert? The Coroner?"--Vincenzo tearing apart Kolchak's story, (w,stte), "The Night Stalker") |
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I've become an absolute bastard about collecting my spent brass. Don't even try to pick up my .07 cents!
LOL But honestly, for the price hikes look no further than ARFcom and those of like mind. They wait at 4:00 a.m. in front of the Wal Marts, Academy's, just wait for the notifications from any and every online retailer. Do they need another 2k rounds? Of course not. But they're happy to hoard it, hoping to gouge someone who could use it to practice, defend their home, take some game. Yeah, I know how the free market works. It's just shameful that folks who have no need or intention of using the ammo, or rifles and parts for that matter, feel good about depriving everyone else. All I want is a BCG. Ordered one and I MAY get it in 6 months or so. Maybe. |
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I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones. Been a reloader for a while now, and also a stack-it-deeper for factory ammo.
That being said, I'm reluctant to burn through a shitload at a time. This year there's going to be a lot more practice with my 22lr dedicated AR rifles, and more shooting of the revolvers and the military surplus rifles I own. I have the buffer as far as ammo and reloading consumables are concerned, but I'm admittadly going to cut back on the .223 this year. Unfortunately, the only way to stay sharp is to actually do live fire. BTW, took your advice on the Robyn Davidson book if you remember that post. Thanks. |
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I've become an absolute bastard about collecting my spent brass. Don't even try to pick up my .07 cents! LOL But honestly, for the price hikes look no further than ARFcom and those of like mind. They wait at 4:00 a.m. in front of the Wal Marts, Academy's, just wait for the notifications from any and every online retailer. Do they need another 2k rounds? Of course not. But they're happy to hoard it, hoping to gouge someone who could use it to practice, defend their home, take some game. Yeah, I know how the free market works. It's just shameful that folks who have no need or intention of using the ammo, or rifles and parts for that matter, feel good about depriving everyone else. All I want is a BCG. Ordered one and I MAY get it in 6 months or so. Maybe. Why do we try to get so much? Me, I'm a romantic at heart............in that I'm inspired by the wonderful writing, subplots in movies, TV, and books. Ie, "So he's stock piling, so what? What garrison Commander doesn't?"--Baltar about Specter, (w,stte), BSG (classic), "The Young Lords") Of course the interesting thing when it comes to guns and ammo, for me, is that once had, it's never sold. Less than ideal guns are not parted with but worked on to find their niche. So if I buy a case, I do have a use of it. Or, at least, at the time it was bought there was a thought of how to use it. There is at least two catches, though, to a stock piling mentality. The first is, where the heck to put it all. Secondly, it doesn't only apply to armaments. Just this week, for example, I was going through some of the various first aid kits I've picked up, thinking of how to equip them, potentially the bail out bags they are in, how many bail out bags I should have, etc...............and then of the things about bail out bags was thinking about a .22 survival gun in them. And what about knives? How many knives do we all have, why are we always picking up more? Quoted:
I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones. Been a reloader for a while now, and also a stack-it-deeper for factory ammo. That being said, I'm reluctant to burn through a shitload at a time. This year there's going to be a lot more practice with my 22lr dedicated AR rifles, and more shooting of the revolvers and the military surplus rifles I own. I have the buffer as far as ammo and reloading consumables are concerned, but I'm admittadly going to cut back on the .223 this year. Unfortunately, the only way to stay sharp is to actually do live fire. BTW, took your advice on the Robyn Davidson book if you remember that post. Thanks. In reverse order. I was slightly thinking of Robyn today, had a cat fish stew with split peas, brown rice, lentils, and a potato tonight. Took about 50 minutes to cook, served it over croutons, and actually, turned out to be a very tasty, quick, CHEAP, meal. I am probably going to vary my range bouts even more. Before, the calculation was to shoot 1 of 4 rifle calibers a week (.223, .22, 9mm, .308) with a pistol on each session. Now, I am thinking of breaking that up even more, like a pistol one trip, a rifle another.......though it still might work out about the same. I've been using range memberships for years but I think there has only been one or two years where I've actually come out ahead on the price vs not having one. Often, I end up eating the additional lump cost to some degree. So with that partially in mind, I am thinking that I should start hitting the range at least twice a week. There are a whole bunch of points that support that: make the membership pay off, maintaining proficiency, upcoming quals, revitalizing me (including shedding the stress the boss puts on me), use it or lose it (or use it before you lose it) and so forth. The element that doesn't support frequent trips is the cost of gas, but I'll just have to work that calculation out. If I carry through, my shooting, at least the planned bouts, will probably be during the week and not the weekend. Since I work nights, I have week days available.....and the weekends are packed with shooters now. But I'm afraid having the range to myself is an element of the past as well. It was pretty full this morning. There wasn't a waiting line when I got there but had I wanted to do combat drills, I would have had no trouble finding other targets down range to act as other members of the opposing force (ie, to work against target fixation). But you know? No longer having the range myself is probably a good thing. As things go, I have neither a .22 pistol nor a rifle. I have been using the range's Rutgers .22 rifle at times, but not for a while. Both between the ranch and as a survival pistol, a research project that is still on going, I should have that caliber, just never got around to it....and now, well, to put it mildly, the timing is off. Quoted:
shouldn't have sold the ammo and passed on the truck. btw How much peyote do you smoke a day? This reminds me of what I once told another officer, the class leader, about doing drugs (in my wild and crazy days). "I don't need to have drugs to have hallucinations.........................," ______________________________________________________________________________________________ ("[Baltar has a two-way argument with Roslin and Number Six at the same time] Well, quite frankly, I don't give a flying frak whether you believe me or not, all right? Because I've had it, I am... I'm tired of being pushed and prodded around like I'm some kind of toy. I'm not your plaything!"--Baltar, (w,stte), "BSG-75") |
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Yep, it's about priorities and prioritizing. One can only have so much that can be ultimately used in practicality.
I have enough ammo for various pieces, and glad I bought it before all of this panic. I could probably sell some ammo and other things and make out like a bandit. But I won't take advantage of people being desperate. Things will calm down soon. |
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So-o....................... any of the rifle reloaders using a brass catcher? Of the 5 7.62 I fired today, only one piece of brass was recovered. The AR-10 does a quite impressive job of throwing it into the range. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Who said Bonnie Reynolds was thrown 25 feet into that culvert? The Coroner?"--Vincenzo tearing apart Kolchak's story, (w,stte), "The Night Stalker") Brass picker-upper for the WIN: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/354430_.html |
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Why don't you just go out into the desert and shoot? Because it is probably a good way to get SHOT by whoever owns that land.......to say nothing about that the desert is more distant from me than where I normally shoot. ________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Take him out and shoot him!"--the General, (w,stte), "Catch-22") |
| I went recently and it was like sharks circling me. There were 6 or 7 people walking around with buckets, brooms, and dust pans. When someone started to shoot they would all rush to that person to sweep up the brass. I had to tell them to back off so many times I started to get pissed. I finally started sweeping up my brass after every magazine. I finally got tired of that and pulled a 357 out. One old guy kept eying my 357 and 38 special brass that I had in a bucket on the floor. He actually smacked it a couple of times so I started to think he was trying to knock it over. |
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Quoted: "I don't need to have drugs to have hallucinations.........................," ______________________________________________________________________________________________ ("[Baltar has a two-way argument with Roslin and Number Six at the same time] Well, quite frankly, I don't give a flying frak whether you believe me or not, all right? Because I've had it, I am... I'm tired of being pushed and prodded around like I'm some kind of toy. I'm not your plaything!"--Baltar, (w,stte), "BSG-75") that should be your sig line |
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shouldn't have sold the ammo and passed on the truck. btw How much peyote do you smoke a day? LOL you dont smoke peyote, you eat it  Ammo is getting expensive enough that I feel guilty shooting the stuff.
lol ....... you dont know the snowleopard do you taylorwso for post of the week |
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A 23 round range trip seems like a complete waste of time. +1. Might as well just sit at home practicing dry-firing. I was at the range last week and shot a box of .32 ACP and about 20 1911 magazines. Had to check out a couple new guns I had bought. But a good point about a long practice session. Hard to stay focused, so I will switch up guns, take a break, load up mags to keep fresh. |
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What is this "shooting range" you speak of?
Out here in far west Texas we just head out to the desert and set up our targets. We just had our first indoor range open up in the past month in a city of 700,000 people. I have still been able to get ammo, have put away a few thousand rounds in the past month. |
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Why don't you just go out into the desert and shoot? Because it is probably a good way to get SHOT by whoever owns that land.......to say nothing about that the desert is more distant from me than where I normally shoot. ________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Take him out and shoot him!"--the General, (w,stte), "Catch-22") Oh, that sucks. I don't think I'd shoot if I had to go to an organized range. I've done it when I've visited FL - indoor ranges and outdoor, and I left pissed, hardly having shot, and like
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Ten years (plus) ago, I'd shoot 300+ rounds just myself, and let my friend(s) shoot a few boxes worth too. Now...  Five or six years ago it wasn't unusual for me and my three sons to blow thru 1000 rounds on a Saturday afternoon and then go back out on Sunday and do it again. |
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I've become an absolute bastard about collecting my spent brass. Don't even try to pick up my .07 cents! LOL But honestly, for the price hikes look no further than ARFcom and those of like mind. They wait at 4:00 a.m. in front of the Wal Marts, Academy's, just wait for the notifications from any and every online retailer. Do they need another 2k rounds? Of course not. But they're happy to hoard it, hoping to gouge someone who could use it to practice, defend their home, take some game. Yeah, I know how the free market works. It's just shameful that folks who have no need or intention of using the ammo, or rifles and parts for that matter, feel good about depriving everyone else. All I want is a BCG. Ordered one and I MAY get it in 6 months or so. Maybe. Hate to put the soggy in your Corn Flakes. Most folks building Ammo Forts intend to use the ammo that was purchased. It is not anyone's business what they do with the ammo...takes pictures of it, shoot it or sell it for profit - like them you had the same opportunity to do the same. Additionally, it is sad to see how quick many of us here forget recent history of 2008. |
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Most folks building Ammo Forts intend to use the ammo that was purchased. It is not anyone's business what they do with the ammo...takes pictures of it, shoot it or sell it for profit - like them you had the same opportunity to do the same. Additionally, it is sad to see how quick many of us here forget recent history of 2008. For some folks 2008's panic doesn't have anything to with what we do or don't do. I can't afford to sit on a bunch of ammo, let alone shoot and replace it. 2008 also coincided with the shitty economy and people have to prioritize.I have access to an indoor range, but the ammo prices and membership fees are pretty sporty. My parents live on 240 acres an hour north my house, but between the aformentioned money issues and the fact that my 3 kids have weekend schedules, even trips to the "free range" are difficult to execute. I end up dry-fire practicing in my office for about 20 mins each day with my EDC and an AR I have here. I had committed to taking a morning off every few weeks and going, by myself, to the woods to shoot the .22lr conversion and a few mags of EDC but now even that seems overly "expensive". ETA: Please don't take any of the above as a condemnation of anyone's personal situation and/or priorties. Just an example of, let's call it, the mind is willing but the body wallet isn't able. |