Posted: 1/17/2013 11:36:03 AM EDT
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http://www.voanews.com/content/defense-secretary-panetta-backs-obama-gun-control/1585735.html
I wonder what the troops' response was, at least once the speech was over. |
It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do 
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You really think he is going to say his bosses policies are crap? He's going to tow the line, even if he doesn't agree with them. Understood, but does he have some mandate from the White House to actually address gun control with the troops?!?! I doubt it! Propoganda and indoctrination pure and simple! |
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I don't want to generalize, but I grew up in rural south Texas. One of my best friends is career military. Not sure if it is institutional or just his experiences - but every time I see him he is a bit more liberal. He is close to retirement now, but was already pro gun control 10 years ago. He spent time in Germany and Japan and that might have influenced him a bit. |
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Pannetta is part of the leftist elite. He along with rest of them are convinced that we are uneducated rednecks and they know what is best for us. As for being worried about his job, he's already effectively resigned and Haigle has been nominated. This is no surprise, He's been around 40 plus years in the DC political scene and he has been a left winger from the get go. Let him retire to his walnut groves in Central Commiefornia with the rest of the nuts. Good riddance! |
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were you expecting any SecDef to say something publicly against what their boss is pushing?? No... but I wasn't expecting him to propagandize it to our troops either. Exactly what I was thinking. There should be no political propagandizing from the SecDef or anyone else at that level in the DOD command structure towards the troops. It’s extremely unnerving that not only are they pushing dirty politics on the troops, but what they are preaching is clearly unconstitutional and against the oath we all pledge to defend, including him. 
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. |
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You really think he is going to say his bosses policies are crap? He's going to tow the line, even if he doesn't agree with them. That is exactly what the military will do if given the hypothetical order to go door to door and seize people's guns. If any of you think more than a tiny (less than .001 percent) will ignore that order you are crazy. |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. This thread seems to have assembled tier 1 badasses. |
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You really think he is going to say his bosses policies are crap? He's going to tow the line, even if he doesn't agree with them. That is exactly what the military will do if given the hypothetical order to go door to door and seize people's guns. If any of you think more than a tiny (less than .001 percent) will ignore that order you are crazy. Really? First, why do you think "the military" will ever get this hypothetical order? Second, who the fuck do you think is in "the military"? |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
I accept your challenge. 
ETA: FWIW around here I would say at least 40% of the guys I know don't really care about politics, laws, gun control, etc. The other 60% are right wing. |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. Nope. A willingness to die for a cause and tactics can certainly help. Ask my dad, the Vietnam veteran. |
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You really think he is going to say his bosses policies are crap? He's going to tow the line, even if he doesn't agree with them. That is exactly what the military will do if given the hypothetical order to go door to door and seize people's guns. If any of you think more than a tiny (less than .001 percent) will ignore that order you are crazy. Really? First, why do you think "the military" will ever get this hypothetical order? Second, who the fuck do you think is in "the military"? 
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. Nope. A willingness to die for a cause and tactics can certainly help. Ask my dad, the Vietnam veteran. Yes, it can help you die. The lone marksman doesn't really have a chance against combined arms. |
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Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. Nope. A willingness to die for a cause and tactics can certainly help. Ask my dad, the Vietnam veteran. Yes, it can help you die. The lone marksman doesn't really have a chance against combined arms. I wasn't talking about a lone marksman. Hence the Vietnam reference as well as the reference to tactics. |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
You are absolutely right. Before my deployments to AFG and IRQ, I spent alot of my own money at shooting schools and on the range with my privately owned semi auto M4 training because my unit spent pathetically little time at the range. Many Soldiers barely zero and qualify. |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. Nope. A willingness to die for a cause and tactics can certainly help. Ask my dad, the Vietnam veteran. Yes, it can help you die. The lone marksman doesn't really have a chance against combined arms. I'm not sure what the Navy has taught you about LIC but it's not as cut and dried as you believe. |
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It would seem that someone in the military might appreciate the value in a civilian population that is skilled in the handling and use of weapons that are similar to what they might need to use if called to duty. Hell, I will put my shooting skill and experience against most active military as I am sure I shoot more then most of those in active duty and I sure as hell can shoot betterthen most of them. Now, I am not better then all as I have shot at Camp Perry and seen what the real experts can do
Doesn't matter. You can be the best expert ever with a rifle, and a platoon of Soldiers is still going to win. We've got helicopters. And artillery. And heavy weapons. Individual marksmanship doesn't overcome superior firepower and air support. Nope. A willingness to die for a cause and tactics can certainly help. Ask my dad, the Vietnam veteran. Yes, it can help you die. The lone marksman doesn't really have a chance against combined arms. I'm not sure what the Navy has taught you about LIC but it's not as cut and dried as you believe. I know it's not cut and dry. I didn't say it was. The "I shoot better than the military anyway" responses are what they are... |