[ARCHIVED THREAD] - NFA question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/28/2012 1:18:34 PM EDT
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct?
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? If it is a permanent change you should inform the NFA branch of the change. If you keep the upper that you originally used to fill out the form, nothing is necessary. |
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Quoted: Quoted: We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? If it is a permanent change you should inform the NFA branch of the change. If you keep the upper that you originally used to fill out the form, nothing is necessary. Basically this. More importantly calm down. No one has passed or introduced anything yet.
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We all know a ban is coming 
No, we "know" no such thing. In fact, it's quite unlikely. ... and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. How does it "look like" that is going to happen? What do you base this on? Is there a particular bill moving through Congress that you are aware of? Can you post the text of this bill? |
| Understand this, no matter what Feinswine writes, 90% will not be in the bill IF and only if it passes. In '94 when the Dumbocrats ran both the HOUSE and the SENATE, Feinswine was forced into the 10 year sunset to get the bill passed as PART of the 'Crime Bill'. She has a much harder row to hoe with her incompetent ass in the House, she may not even have a lot of support in the Senate. |
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? You are not correct. |
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Understand this, no matter what Feinswine writes, 90% will not be in the bill IF and only if it passes. In '94 when the Dumbocrats ran both the HOUSE and the SENATE, Feinswine was forced into the 10 year sunset to get the bill passed as PART of the 'Crime Bill'. She has a much harder row to hoe with her incompetent ass in the House, she may not even have a lot of support in the Senate. This. Write and call your congresscritters about the pending bill. Let them know your objections... still at the 'ballot box' stage folks... don't get crazy. |
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? Why do we know a ban is coming? Why would we want our weapons to be NFA? What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand? Well hell you must be either a BATF or some other type of .gov troll! You certainly seem to be more than willing to give away your rights. <------------------------------DU is that way! |
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? Why do we know a ban is coming? Why would we want our weapons to be NFA? What part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand? Well hell you must be either a BATF or some other type of .gov troll! You certainly seem to be more than willing to give away your rights. <------------------------------DU is that way! |
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I ain't filling out shit for paperwork.
Like the others have said. Don't be so defeatist. Just to throw a tangent into this thread how would being forced to fill out paperwork and submitting it NOT violate my 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination? |
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I ain't filling out shit for paperwork. Like the others have said. Don't be so defeatist. Just to throw a tangent into this thread how would being forced to fill out paperwork and submitting it NOT violate my 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination? |
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I ain't filling out shit for paperwork. Like the others have said. Don't be so defeatist. Just to throw a tangent into this thread how would being forced to fill out paperwork and submitting it NOT violate my 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination? I am not saying this will happen, but to answer your question, the same way the 1934 NFA apparently does not violate your 5th. |
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I am getting sick of thread after thread about "THE BAN" what a bunch of defeatist horseshit! STOP IT!!! If you pussys are going to assume the worst take it to another board. You new guys read the stuff that's already been posted. If you simpletons cant read get you wife , GF or your kid to read it to you. The same question asked in thread after thread, come on! READ THE POSTINGS damn it. Crap, some of you act like Fineswine has a magic wand and can just wave it while saying "Make it so". Yes I expect her bill to be absolutely unacceptable to anyone with half a brain. You damn guys act like its a foregone conclusion that a ban or severe restrictions are going to take place come January 3rd. Man up you twats, It's nobodys fault but our own if we let it happen. Join the NRA, SAF, join your state and local rifle & pistol assn. Grow some nuts defend our position to those who disagree with us. Write your senators, congressmen, the speaker of the house. Do anything but keep up this constant whining about how the ban is just on our doorstep. Most polls have shown that the majority in this country do not want additional regulation of firearms. Emphasise to all this is about mental illness, criminal activity and the improper dispensing prescription drugs. Ban legislation is coming, and yes it's going to be ugly and we will be in for the fight of our lives. But the fight is worth it! We can and will win it! We can stop additional legislation dead in it's tracks. Start acting like men with a mission and not a bunch of damn cowering Nancy Boys. RANT OFF Yea, I know I didn't use enough cuss words, big deal |
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OP, choke yourself.
NFA is shit and is a violation to our god given rights. I will not submit anything of mine to a nazi list. Attached File |
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OP, choke yourself. NFA is shit and is a violation to our god given rights. I will not submit anything of mine to a nazi list. http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3446/24089.PNG Look guise another atf agent. They are getting clever.... 
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| I am not a defeatist, I am a realist. I know that the bill won't pass as written but I do think public sentiment is on the side of the gun grabbers at this time and we are going to suffer because of it.. Unless you haven't noticed, those of us that are members of this site and ardent supporters of the 2nd amendment are in the minority. Even many gun owners I've talked to don't think that people need "assault rifles". They just don't understand that this ban would be the first step down that slippery slope to a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment. At this point I've done all I can do. I've written to my congressmen and senators in opposition to any infringement on our 2nd amendment rights but as a realist, I know change is in the air and I'm just trying to keep ahead of those changes. You can rant and say you will never comply or give up your guns but that just makes you sound like the crazy gun nuts that the non gun owning population is afraid of.. |
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You can swap different uppers ( length and caliber ) as long as long as it's not a permanent change and you have the original upper to return it to original specs You don't need to keep the original upper. If you want to transfer the gun to another owner then it must be returned to the configuration listed on the form, but if you are keeping it, no need. |
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? Pure speculation on your part. |
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I ain't filling out shit for paperwork. Like the others have said. Don't be so defeatist. Just to throw a tangent into this thread how would being forced to fill out paperwork and submitting it NOT violate my 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination? I am not saying this will happen, but to answer your question, the same way the 1934 NFA apparently does not violate your 5th. It's 2012 now. Do you think that NFA bullshit would have passed if we had the internet back then? How about what effects if any a Heller or Mc Donald decision would have had back then? |
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Just to throw a tangent into this thread how would being forced to fill out paperwork and submitting it NOT violate my 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination? Part of the revisions to the NFA in the GCA68 were to fix the self incrimination issue brought up in Haynes (see US v Freed). Information supplied in the application/registration cannot be used as evidence against the applicant. |
Here is a link for more info. Read the part about the requirement for possessors of unregistered firearms to registered was removed under the Titile II of the gun act 1968......but you know what happens when you get caught with one.
ATF History of NFA |
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Is it a forgone conclusion already? If the Democrats take the House in 2014, yes. __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform gun database/electronic bound book (v1.3.2) (and the original thread). «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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I am not a defeatist, I am a realist. I know that the bill won't pass as written but I do think public sentiment is on the side of the gun grabbers at this time and we are going to suffer because of it.. What bill are you talking about????? Feinstein's bill doesn't have anything to do with NFA. I think you are getting your crazy internet rumors all mixed up. There's the crazy rumor about Feinstein's updated assault weapons bill (that she tries to introduce all the time), and then there's the crazy rumor that Obama is going to add semi-auto rifles to the NFA registry with an Executive Order. Please get your crazy theories straight. Unless you haven't noticed, those of us that are members of this site and ardent supporters of the 2nd amendment are in the minority. Even many gun owners I've talked to don't think that people need "assault rifles". They just don't understand that this ban would be the first step down that slippery slope to a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment. List of other things these gun owners you've talked to don't understand: 1. Republicans control the House 2. Executive Orders don't work that way 3. Democrats are afraid of gun control 4. Obama doesn't give a shit about gun control 5. The American public has an incredibly short attention span 6. Gun laws have been RELAXING over the past 20 years, not getting tighter. At this point I've done all I can do. I've written to my congressmen and senators in opposition to any infringement on our 2nd amendment rights Really? That's all you can do? I can think of plenty more that a person can do. 
but as a realist, I know change is in the air and I'm just trying to keep ahead of those changes. Again I ask you ... HOW do you "know" that change is coming, and this apparently ban is coming? What is this certainty of yours based on? You can rant and say you will never comply or give up your guns but that just makes you sound like the crazy gun nuts that the non gun owning population is afraid of..
No offense, but the only person I see ranting and sounding crazy in this thread is you. 
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We all know a ban is coming
No, we "know" no such thing. In fact, it's quite unlikely. ... and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. How does it "look like" that is going to happen? What do you base this on? Is there a particular bill moving through Congress that you are aware of? Can you post the text of this bill? THIS |
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No, the bill has not been introduced but according to the NRA, it will be introduced on Jan 3. Here is the link to the changes proposed in the bill http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
BTW, if I'm the only person that believes something bad is coming, who is buying all of the AR parts on the EE for prices that are close to 200% over retail??? |
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I am not a defeatist, I am a realist. I know that the bill won't pass as written but I do think public sentiment is on the side of the gun grabbers at this time and we are going to suffer because of it.. What bill are you talking about????? Feinstein's bill doesn't have anything to do with NFA. I think you are getting your crazy internet rumors all mixed up. There's the crazy rumor about Feinstein's updated assault weapons bill (that she tries to introduce all the time), and then there's the crazy rumor that Obama is going to add semi-auto rifles to the NFA registry with an Executive Order. Please get your crazy theories straight. Unless you haven't noticed, those of us that are members of this site and ardent supporters of the 2nd amendment are in the minority. Even many gun owners I've talked to don't think that people need "assault rifles". They just don't understand that this ban would be the first step down that slippery slope to a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment. List of other things these gun owners you've talked to don't understand: 1. Republicans control the House 2. Executive Orders don't work that way 3. Democrats are afraid of gun control 4. Obama doesn't give a shit about gun control 5. The American public has an incredibly short attention span 6. Gun laws have been RELAXING over the past 20 years, not getting tighter. At this point I've done all I can do. I've written to my congressmen and senators in opposition to any infringement on our 2nd amendment rights Really? That's all you can do? I can think of plenty more that a person can do.
but as a realist, I know change is in the air and I'm just trying to keep ahead of those changes. Again I ask you ... HOW do you "know" that change is coming, and this apparently ban is coming? What is this certainty of yours based on? You can rant and say you will never comply or give up your guns but that just makes you sound like the crazy gun nuts that the non gun owning population is afraid of..
No offense, but the only person I see ranting and sounding crazy in this thread is you. Bravo DK. 
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Is it a forgone conclusion already? +1 Now is not the time to worry about how your going to fill out the paper work. NOW is the time to fucking fight back!! If your someone is already worried about how they are going to fill out paper for an AWB, they might as well just sell there gun now, and save themselves the worry 
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We all know a ban is coming and it looks like all of our "evil" guns will now fall under NFA rules. I looked at the NFA form and you have to list the caliber and length of barrel on the form. I believe this will make swapping uppers of different calibers or barrel lengths illegal. Anyone out there with current NFA rifles know if I am correct? I didn't bother reading past the pink VAGINA colored part. 
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No, the bill has not been introduced but according to the NRA, it will be introduced on Jan 3. Here is the link to the changes proposed in the bill http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons You do realize that is a far more sweeping and aggressive law than what she got passed in 1994, when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House, right? Can you explain HOW she will get a much more sweeping and aggressive bill passed in the face of Republican-controlled House, a president that doesn't REALLY give a shit about gun control, and huge advances in gun rights in most states, as well as big gun-rights victories in the Supreme Court (Heller & MacDonald). I'm genuinely curious HOW you think that someone like Feinstein (who her fellow Democrats have ignored for the past decade), would be able to accomplish this astonishing feat. 
BTW, if I'm the only person that believes something bad is coming, who is buying all of the AR parts on the EE for prices that are close to 200% over retail??? You are NOT the only one who is unnecessarily panicking. Lots of people are. However, that fact says more about those people than it does about the likelihood of a new ban. People said there'd be a new ban after Columbine. There was not. People said there'd be a new ban after Virginia Tech. There was not. People said there'd be a new ban after a freakin' Congresswoman was gunned down in Arizona. There was not. There fact that absolutely nothing has actually happened by now, is a very strong indicator that some sweeping piece of legislation is highly unlikely. Instead, over that past 20 years, we've seen MORE gun rights and fewer gun laws across the U.S. Don't get me wrong. There might be some new import restrictions. There probably will be some new reporting requirements for school and merging of medical/psychiatric databases with NICS checks or something like that. I think there might be an actual serious push to ban "high-capacity" magazines (as opposed to just talk). But, in my opinion, that is the WORST case scenario, and I don't think it will pass a Republican House. |
| I might be wrong, but wouldn't the 1934 NFA have to be rewritten to include semi autos?They are not full auto,not destructive devices, and most have barrels over 16" so they are not SBR's.The streetsweeper shotguns,if I remember right, were classified as destructive devices after being declared non sporting firearms.That only works because of the vague definition of a destructive device.Semi auto rifles would need a new classification since they don't meet the existing criteria, or am I way off base? |
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Ok, I thank all the people that answered my questions. I appreciate the information.
Everyone else is free to continue to bash on me for having an opinion which is wide spread. I'm sure many of the people that say a ban isn't a foregone conclusion are the same people that are buying all the AR parts they can find right now. And I'm sure those same people (me included) didn't think there was a chance that Nobama would be re-elected. Well I was wrong about that and I may be wrong about a ban of some sort coming, but I doubt it.. I will continue to fight for all of our 2nd amendment rights. As a retired member of the armed forces, I swore to defend the constitution and will continue to fight for it. I am a member of the NRA and write to my state representatives on all anti gun issues introduced. I am an outspoken supporter of the 2nd amendment and try to educate people I come in contact with about the truth about restrictive gun laws and gun violence so that they are better informed. So bash on.... |