[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How Islam-Bashing Got Cool (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/23/2002 5:38:34 PM EDT
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Oh no, we aren't finished. Don't forget these little bastiges that cheered when the World Trade Center was hit. [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/attack.jpg[/img][img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/terror.jpg[/img][img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/flag.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arab-joy1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/celebrate.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arabpride.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/Nablus.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arabterror.htm[/url] And these same fuckers right here in our country. [img]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/Berkeley.jpg[/img] |
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Matrix, fair or not to generalize on this one, there are just too many evil things done in the name of Islam these days. Other than the occasional anti-abortion nutcase who murders because "God told me to save the babies" you just don't see much murder and mayhem done in the name of other religions. I do know that throughout history, many, many thousands have been murdered in the name of Christianity, but no one remembers that, as it ended about four centuries ago. I guess it's just not a good time to be Muslim, or perhaps it's time to state one's beliefs, assuming they are civil. I don't know what the answer is, but, for sure, we're going to see this stuff when we have had thousands slaughtered, and a subsequent war being fought, and our enemy is motivated by their religion, whatever it is--in this case Islam. Please keep your head down, my friend. |
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Quoted: Oh no, we aren't finished. Don't forget these little bastiges that cheered when the World Trade Center was hit. [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/attack.jpg[/url][url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/terror.jpg[/url][url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/flag.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arab-joy1.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/celebrate.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arabpride.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/Nablus.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/arabterror.htm[/url] And these same fuckers right here in our country. [url]http://www.berkeleyboycott.com/Berkeley.jpg[/url] True. True. |
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** "O ye who believe! Murder those of the unbelievers. . . and let them find harshness in you." [Koran, Repentance:123] ** "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute." [Koran, Repentance:29] ** O believers do not treat your fathers and brothers as your friends, if they prefer unbelief, to belief whosoever of you takes them for friends, they are evildoers. [Koran, Repentance:20] ** A well-known saying of Mohammed is "Do not meet Jews or Christians with greetings. If you ever meet them in the street, force them to the narrowest part of it." (refer to Sahih of Muslim, "Interpretation of Nawai," vol. 5, p. 7) |
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Quoted: It all started in 1979 with the Iran hostages. However, if you believe the author, the only people bashing Islam are conservatives and evangelists. Sorry, I don't buy into the author's lies. Next.... actually that is probobly correct. the libs are to busy apologizing to the bastards to bash them. We are at war. Fuck 'em all until they surrender. |
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This muslim-basing is retarded and short-sighted. So some people who call themselves Musilms blew up the WTC and the Pentagon. Saying that because of that, Islam is a war-like religion or that Arabs are assholes, or anything else along those lines makes as much sense as condemning Catholics for what the IRA has been doing for the past few decades, or the fundamentalist Christians for bombing abortion clinics. Or saying all Christians are idiots out of touch with reality because a prominent leader (Falwell) said that there's a conspiracy to turn all our young 'uns into fags because a popular kids' TV show featured a character with a geometric shape on his head that's a sorta-pink triangle. In fact, if we quit giving so many hand-outs to Israel, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some Jewish folks formed a militant movement and caused some ruckus for turning our backs on them. Does this mean that all Jews are violent lunatics? Hell no! Does this mean all Christians are all drooling, mindless ZOMBIES because Jerry Falwell made some dumb-ass remarks? Hell no! Does this mean all Moslems are terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers? Not in the least. I have known plenty of fine people from those religions and more. And you can sit around and quote militant passages from the Koran all day. I've seen the same kind of remarks made in Anti-Semitic literature quoting the Talmud, saying that non-Jews are sub human. The Christian Bible isn't all that lilly-white and pure, either. Do we say Christians are a bunch of violent savages because the law set out in the book of Leviticus (Old Testament) demands that we stone people for myriad offences, such as having sex with an "unclean" woman (during mentruation), or because they are wearing clothing of "mixed fibers?" Goddamn! I better go burn all those shirts I have that are Cotton/Polyester blends, before some rabid Christians decide to burn me at the stake! After all, it's right in their Bible--just like the way Muslims have such passages in the Koran. Terrorists are assholes, regardless of if they're Christian or Muslim or Irish Catholic or whatever. In fact, one of you folks chose this passage from the Koran to convince the rest of us that Muslims are some wacked out people: "O ye who believe! Murder those of the unbelievers. . . and let them find harshness in you." [Koran, Repentance:123] Here's one from Leviticus 24:16 in the CHRISTIAN and JEWISH holy texts: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. Now I wonder if anyone out there can point to any significant differences between those two passages? The day we should condemn Muslims for some isolated passages in the Koran, or for what a few of the Islamic lunatics pulled off last September is the day we should condemn all Jews and Christians for the bloody hands of their respective relgions. As far as the street demonstrations celebrating the bombing of the World-Trade center...just a day or two ago, we had a group of OUR OWN COUNTRYMEN in Portland, Oregon who started rioting because they don't like Bush, and don't like war with Iraq. Does this mean all Americans hate George Bush? So the media plays up some images of Palestinians cheering for the WTC bombing. What else are the TV cameras going to show?? People NOT rioting? Do you expect to see people going about their daily lives--going to work, playing with their kids or whatever, even though such people far outnumbered a few rowdy protestors? Get real. This is like that T-Shirt that says, "Over 80 million American gun owners DIDN'T kill anyone today." You people are demonizing Arabs with the same kind of thinking that the Liberal media uses to demonize gun owners. And both lines of thought stink. Go ahead, bash the terrorists. Hate them with all your guts--the terrorists earned it, but at least focus your anger and frustration on the minority that did the actual killing, not the whole damn Mid-East region and anyone who's emigrated from there. -Nick Viejo. |
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let me start off by saying that not all muslims are bad people. ive known many muslims, and most are great people just like you and me. however, many muslim clerics around the world are preaching the USA and Israel are evil, and should be punished. i have not seen many of them speaking against the attacks against us these last 10 years. it seems the terrorists have hijacked Islam..its up to good muslim people to set things straight. take back your religion, purge yourselves of these madmen, denounce these attacks. and then we will talk about calming down. |
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Quoted: i have not seen many of them speaking against the attacks against us these last 10 years. it seems the terrorists have hijacked Islam..its up to good muslim people to set things straight. take back your religion, purge yourselves of these madmen, denounce these attacks. and then we will talk about calming down. Nobody else has seen any American Muslim outcry agaisnt fanatical terror either. I do blame the Islamic clerics for their hateful ranting, but lets get some individuals thinking for themselves. Acting and living like a retarded stone age sheep is NO excuse. |
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So some muslims claim that we, the people, are bashing them. Where were they on 9/11? Who's side are they on? Hello, where is the outcry at the hijacking of Islam in the name of evil to destroy America and her people? I think that we are bashing [b]those who corrupt Islam for the purposes of evil[/b]. The only way that muslims could reasonably feel like they are the subject of bashing is if they: 1. are guilty of the behavior/acts in question, 2.the condone the behavior in question, or 3. through their silence they condone the behavior in question (silence is consent). If muslims feel like they are being treated unfairly, then they should get the hell on the right side of the fence and join in the fight to save their religion from being used as an implement of evil and destruction by the likes of Sadam, Usama, Momar, et al. Some of my best friends are muslim [;)], hell I even served with some great ones in the US Army. The fight is on, the only question remaining is what side are you/they on? We already know who is gonna win this one. [/rant] |
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Quoted: Go ahead, bash the terrorists. Hate them with all your guts--the terrorists earned it, but at least focus your anger and frustration on the minority that did the actual killing, not the whole damn Mid-East region and anyone who's emigrated from there. If the majority of the population there feels that way about us, I am not going to turn the other cheek. You are free to do so. Quoted: i have not seen many of them speaking against the attacks against us these last 10 years. it seems the terrorists have hijacked Islam..its up to good muslim people to set things straight. I talk to local muslims every day (mostly of Iraqi, Egyptian and now pakistani background). I have never heard them do that either. For years before 9-11 it was always Israel this, Israel that, and the American government blah blah blah. I have gotten them to agree that Saddam needs to go, but not through invasion, only by assassination, etc. Of course that was there view after the Gulf War too, so nothing changes. |
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Quoted: redmanfns would have fit in perfectly during ww2. [url]faculty.rmwc.edu/slockhart/Sanefuji/Japs.jpg[/url] [url]americanhistory.si.edu/perfectunion/collection/assets/000411.jpg[/url] Ya, the world is not yet perfect. Any other injustices you care to highlight in your bizarro crusade? IBTL! |
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As a CHRISTIAN i feel that we all must do our christian duty, turn the other cheek.....just long enuff to slam home a full mag and jack the charging handle! hahahahahahahaha new BATF regualtion: its no longer a MACHINEGUN if its used on a fanatical muslim, its now a religious cerimonial display item. Like a crucifix. |
| I have no bias towards Christianity, but as a fairly objective observer, I do have to say that modern Christianity is much more socially advanced than modern Islam. Islam is a Medieval religion, bathed in blood and founded in violence. The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity was a persecuted religion that spread because it gave hope to the hopeless: slaves, women, the lower class. Islam spread through bloody, violent war. |
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You know, [b]Imbroglio[/b], you may see nothing but hatred from the plain spoken folks in thos two photos you posted. I do not. I see simple folks from a far simpler time who had been rudely awakened to the evil in this world by the dastardly sneak attack by Japan on American soil. These two plain and simple folks struck back at their nation's enemies with all the weapons that they had at their command - simple words. Now, some sixty years later, we can look back on these two and the sentiments they express and shake our heads and say 'If [u]we[/u] had been alive back then, it would not have been so...'? What they expressed, however badly, however crudely, and however distasteful to our much more modern view, was a genuine love for their country. Just as those who witnessed Sept 11th may have said, as we saw in the hand-painted sign in the smashed shop window in Manhattan - 'Pres. Bush - Bomb Afghanistan Tonight!' What bomb [u]all[/u] of Afghanistan for the barbaric acts of just a very, very few? We know [u]precisely[/u] what the Japanese culture thought of the Americans, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Filipinos, the Vietnamese, the Manchurians, the Burmese, the Thais, the Malaysians, the Micronesians and Melanesians, and, esentially, every non-Japanese nationality. We were/are/always will be barbarians. And the Japanese military acted upon these cultural beliefs to spread murder, torture, rape, etc., across every single venue they visited. Now, for us to complain about some yard signs and bumper stickers across this great divide of time, without giving any consideration for the 'current events' that all Americans were aware of in 1941-1945, is idiotic. In the face of the Japanese menace to our homes and countrymen, it is a wonder that even stronger measures were not taken against [u]anyone[/u] of Japanese ancestry. The relocation camps were not [b]death camps[/b], you know, as they surely would have been had the Japanese military been in charge of them. Ask the citizens of Southeast Asia who are old enough to remember! Eric The(CuttingAllAmericansSomeSlack)Hun[>]:)] |
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Quoted: I have no bias towards Christianity, but as a fairly objective observer, I do have to say that modern Christianity is much more socially advanced than modern Islam. Islam is a Medieval religion, bathed in blood and founded in violence. The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity was a persecuted religion that spread because it gave hope to the hopeless: slaves, women, the lower class. Islam spread through bloody, violent war. [b]How bout them CRUSADERS ??[/b] |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have no bias towards Christianity, but as a fairly objective observer, I do have to say that modern Christianity is much more socially advanced than modern Islam. Islam is a Medieval religion, bathed in blood and founded in violence. The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity was a persecuted religion that spread because it gave hope to the hopeless: slaves, women, the lower class. Islam spread through bloody, violent war. [b]How bout them CRUSADERS ??[/b] How about 'em? In particular, how about telling me what pertinence they have to my comment? After all, the Crusades were carried out A THOUSAND YEARS after the founding of Christianity, well after it had spread from the Middle East all over Europe on its own merits. Islam was spread BY crusades from its inception. The Crusades were also hardly about spreading Christianity...they were about taking over places considered sacred by Medieval Catholocism. The Crusades ARE a black mark in the history of Christianity, no mistake there, but 1)they were not in aid of its spread throughout the world and more importantly 2)they were over about EIGHT HUNDRED years ago...whereas Islamic religious-inspired warfare still exists and threatens civilization. There of course is Christian religion-inspired violence, such as abortion clinic bombings, but those are the acts of a few fanatical individuals, not supported by the vast majority of Christians worldwide. Whereas Islamic terror has VAST support in the Islamic countries of the world. The fact is, Islam is a religion in its Dark Age, and the Islamic countries are, with a few notable exceptions, also stuck in the Dark Ages politically and socially. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have no bias towards Christianity, but as a fairly objective observer, I do have to say that modern Christianity is much more socially advanced than modern Islam. Islam is a Medieval religion, bathed in blood and founded in violence. The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity was a persecuted religion that spread because it gave hope to the hopeless: slaves, women, the lower class. Islam spread through bloody, violent war. [b]How bout them CRUSADERS ??[/b] How about 'em? In particular, how about telling me what pertinence they have to my comment? I can't think of any pertinence to your comment but considering the pitiful state of the Cowboys this year.........................!! |
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Quoted: [b]How bout them CRUSADERS ??[/b] The Crussades are the PEFECT example of what happens when alleged "Chrsitians" pet political with their faith, and start supporting the killing and extermination of Arabs, who inhabit the "Holy Land." Actually, [b]sub-dued[/b] that's a perfect example of what's going on today in Modern Chrsitianity. RikWriter is right - the Crusaders had SCANT LITTLE to do with Christ(ianity), and EVERYTHING to do with the politics of religion / religion of politics. But its getting ready to happen again. |
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Post from 5subslr5 - How bout them CRUSADERS ?? First, let me assume that you are [u]not[/u] referring to the WWII British tank, right? Second, the Crusades were not a 'black mark' on the history of Christianity, at all. It was the reasoned, if not well-planned, attempt by Christendom to [b]RECOVER[/b] what it had lost in the preceding 350 years to that religion of 'Peace', Islam. Syria and Egypt were Christian nations, all of North Africa was composed of Christian nations, all of Asia Minor was nothing but Christian, and all of these countries were at peace with one another. Enter Islam. Wars, and conquering wars, and brutal wars, became the manner in which one Christian nation after another fell to this onslaught of the religion of 'Peace.' So when the Christian princes of Europe thought of 'Crusade', they were simply seeking to turn back the hands of time to recover what their religion had enjoyed before the rise of the religion of 'Peace.' Had Islam truly been the religion of Peace, it would be found in a tiny enclave on the Arabian Peninsula [u]today[/u], surrounded by a host of Christian nations. But it wasn't a religion of Peace, and, so, as they say, the rest is history! Eric The(How'sThemApples?)Hun[>]:)] |
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Quoted: But its getting ready to happen again. Oh get over yourself. There is hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth that we even MIGHT invade Iraq to get rid of Saddam and you are actually hyperbolizing that there is going to be some new "Crusade against Islam?" Yeah, right...maybe in some alternate reality, not in this one. We should be so lucky that our politicians would be far-sighted enough to recognize the long-term threat of nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran and try to take them out. Instead, we will bend over backwards to not appear to be "singling out" Islam...and people will be SO surprised by the NEXT massive terrorist attack.... |
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Quoted: Post from 5subslr5 - How bout them CRUSADERS ?? First, let me assume that you are [u]not[/u] referring to the WWII British tank, right? Second, the Crusades were not a 'black mark' on the history of Christianity, at all. It was the reasoned, if not well-planned, attempt by Christendom to [b]RECOVER[/b] what it had lost in the preceding 350 years to that religion of 'Peace', Islam. Syria and Egypt were Christian nations, all of North Africa was composed of Christian nations, all of Asia Minor was nothing but Christian, and all of these countries were at peace with one another. Enter Islam. Wars, and conquering wars, and brutal wars, became the manner in which one Christian nation after another fell to this onslaught of the religion of 'Peace.' So when the Christian princes of Europe thought of 'Crusade', they were simply seeking to turn back the hands of time to recover what their religion had enjoyed before the rise of the religion of 'Peace.' Had Islam truly been the religion of Peace, it would be found in a tiny enclave on the Arabian Peninsula [u]today[/u], surrounded by a host of Christian nations. But it wasn't a religion of Peace, and, so, as they say, the rest is history! Eric The(How'sThemApples?)Hun[>]:)] I've said before, I'll probably say again.....as a matter of fact right now. [/b]I believe Christianity damns to eternal hell all who do not accept Christianity.[/b] |
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Post from 5subslr5 - I believe Christianity damns to eternal hell all who do not accept Christianity. So??? What do you make of this? If Christianity has no basis in fact, then you are 'safe' [b]subdude[/b], and Christianity threatens you not a whit! If Christianity is the way to the Father, then you have everything you need to prevent your descent into that eternal hell, right? So how can you complain? There is either no Hell, or there is Hell. It's hard to argue with [u]that[/u], eh? Eric The(HonestToGod)Hun[>]:)] |
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Quoted: I've said before, I'll probably say again.....as a matter of fact right now. [/b]I believe Christianity damns to eternal hell all who do not accept Christianity.[/b] And as I said on the other thread, although I am not going to defend Christian dogma, it IS true that the vast majority of modern Christians do NOT interpret the Bible as ordering them to kill unbelievers...and it is also true that many modern Muslims DO believe that the Koran authorizes them to do just that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: But its getting ready to happen again. Oh get over yourself. [heavy sigh] Rik - I know you don't like me, but try to get past that and listen to what I am saying. I am MERELY referring to the blood thirst within EXCLUSIVELY Christian circles (something I am WELL EQUIPPED to speak of) to go and kill Arabs. I'm not talking about the nation at large. |
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Quoted: Post from 5subslr5 - I believe Christianity damns to eternal hell all who do not accept Christianity. So??? What do you make of this? If Christianity has no basis in fact, then you are 'safe' [b]subdude[/b], and Christianity threatens you not a whit! Eric The(HonestToGod)Hun[>]:)] Not responsive to my statement. Don't believe I asked anything about "....no basis in fact...." ???? |
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Quoted: Rik - I know you don't like me, but try to get past that and listen to what I am saying. Mark, I have never met you and thus don't know you well enough to dislike you. It is WHAT YOU'RE SAYING that I dislike. I am MERELY referring to the blood thirst within EXCLUSIVELY Christian circles (something I am WELL EQUIPPED to speak of) to go and kill Arabs. I'm not talking about the nation at large. Okay, I am sorry that among your circle of friends there is sentiment to kill all the Arabs. Thanks for being the voice of reason among them. [%|] |
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Quoted: Quoted: [b]How bout them CRUSADERS ??[/b] The Crussades are the PEFECT example of what happens when alleged "Chrsitians" pet political with their faith, and start supporting the killing and extermination of Arabs, who inhabit the "Holy Land." Actually, [b]sub-dued[/b] that's a perfect example of what's going on today in Modern Chrsitianity. RikWriter is right - the Crusaders had SCANT LITTLE to do with Christ(ianity), and EVERYTHING to do with the politics of religion / religion of politics. But its getting ready to happen again. Really? Is the Pope raising an Army to march somewhere and CNN's missed it? |
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Quoted: [Really? Is the Pope raising an Army to march somewhere and CNN's missed it? Apparently the churches in Mark's area are about to launch a private crusade, and his level-headedness is the only thing standing in their way. We MUST get troops to his area immediately to back him up! |
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Quoted: Apparently the churches in Mark's area are about to launch a private crusade, and his level-headedness is the only thing standing in their way. We MUST get troops to his area immediately to back him up! Make all the jokes you want, but its reality. Maybe it'll take THOUSANDS of body bags filled with US soldiers on the evening news to strike the point home to you. Fundamental Christianity supports the US going to war in the Middle East largely for religious reasons. And NO, its NOT a phenomenon local to me. |
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Quoted: I thought islam bashing has always been cool. This is news to me. Yep. It all started when a few thousand of these followers of peace decided to invite 53 Americans to remain as their guests for 444 days. Then we had all those airliners hijacked. Then we had a whole bushell of US Marines murdered in Beruit. Then we had mass shootings at airports in Europe. Then we had discos blown up. Then we had airliners blown up. Then we had the WTC bombed. Then we had embassies blown up. Then we had ships blown up. And then along came 9/11.... And not a peep from the imams about how Islam is a religion of peace and that these poor, misguided souls are simply being "too literal". Yep. Then people wonder why others would rather have Three Mile Island in their backyard than a mosque... |