Posted: 8/19/2002 4:19:16 PM EDT
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These captured Al Qaeda videos are making the rounds on CNN. They show three dogs being killed with what appears to experts to be a nerve gas, such as sarin. [size=4]Tapes shed new light on bin Laden's network[/size=4] August 19, 2002 Posted: 3:53 PM EDT (1953 GMT) ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A large archive of al Qaeda videotapes obtained by CNN in Afghanistan sheds new light on Osama bin Laden's terror network, revealing images of chemical gas experiments on dogs, lessons on making explosives, terrorist training tactics and previously unseen images of bin Laden and his top aides. The archive includes 64 videotapes that span more than a decade and provide new insight into al Qaeda's planning, tactics and mindset. Nearly all the tapes pre-date last year's September 11 terror attacks. But one tape includes recorded segments from televised news reports of the attacks on New York and Washington, including CNN coverage. CNN has shown the tapes to many experts, including Rohan Gunaratna, an expert on al Qaeda who was called on to address Congress, the United Nations and the Australian Parliament following the September 11 attacks. Gunaratna, the author of "Inside Al Qaeda," has interviewed members of the terrorist network and previously viewed more than 200 al Qaeda tapes. But he had not seen the tapes obtained by CNN and believes they were intended only for the eyes of the terror group's leaders. "The collection has al Qaeda videos taken by al Qaeda of events," Gunaratna said. "Whenever Osama bin Laden met with foreign journalists, he always had his own cameraman. And it is those tapes that are there, because that itself shows that this is the al Qaeda library. This is not the library of someone else ... This is their history, the record room of Osama bin Laden." CNN Senior International Correspondent Nic Robertson obtained the tapes from a source in Afghanistan, following a 17-hour drive from Kabul through treacherous terrain to a remote part of the war-torn country. According to the source, the tapes had been found in an Afghan house where bin Laden had stayed. Some of the tapes are video training manuals for terrorists, much different from the al Qaeda promotional videos that have been released in the past. One three-hour tape, for example, shows how to make purified TNT from easy-to-get materials. They demonstrate sophistication in planning and explosives skills. Experts interviewed by CNN say no terrorist organization is ever known to have put this much knowledge on videotape before. And although it is not known with certainty that all of the material contained in the tapes came from bin Laden's personal library, it includes revealing looks at the al Qaeda leader and his personal security arrangements. One scene shows bin Laden with his security detail firing shots into the air as they get set to announce their new jihad against Americans. That scene was shot in 1998, three years before the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States. [b]Among the most frightening scenes in the collection of tapes are those of testing of a poison gas on three dogs. The disturbing images show the dying moments of the defenseless, enclosed animals.[/b] A senior Bush administration official who is intimately involved in weapons issues said he was "very troubled" by the issues the video raises, particularly about chemical weapons. The official said the video of the chemical tests on the dogs suggest a very strong desire to acquire the capability to use such weapons against humans. Until now, he said, he had seen nothing that indicated bin Laden or al Qaeda had the capability. "This tape is unquestionable documentation that he has some capability," he said. The tape, he said, shows "some level of sophistication, and indicates they were trying to get results." In one scene, a group of unidentified men wearing Afghan-style sandals rush out of an enclosure where one of the dogs is penned. A white liquid that gives off a gas is then seen seeping in from the left. Soon, the dog begins showing physical reactions. Experts who were shown the tape by CNN had different theories as to what kind of chemical agent may have been used in the experiment. But there was agreement that whatever it was, it was a powerful agent, adding to the significance of the tapes and what they say about al Qaeda. "It's probably extremely significant, if not profound," said John Gilbert, a chemical weapons specialist and arms control expert who advises the U.S. government. "I know there's been a lot of speculation about the state of technology, and how far they may have advanced toward having a usable chemical weapon. The fact that they were able to repeat tests or demonstrations on this tape indicates that they clearly have a way to produce a predictably lethal chemical." In the months since September 11, U.S. officials have repeatedly said publicly that al Qaeda was believed to be seeking weapons of mass destruction, including chemical weapons. But, so far, no evidence on tape has been shown that al Qaeda has succeeded in obtaining or developing such weapons. Al Qaeda documents examined by CNN last fall showed formulas for sarin, a deadly chemical agent. And Ahmed Ressam, a man trained by al Qaeda and convicted of plotting to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, testified in court about tests using cyanide to kill dogs. Coalition intelligence sources who have examined the tape obtained by CNN of the dying dogs said this appears to be an al Qaeda experiment with lethal chemicals at the remote Darunta camp in Afghanistan. The sources said dead dogs have been seen in past satellite images of the Darunta camp. The sources said no intelligence agency is known to have previously seen most of these tapes. [img]http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/US/08/18/terror.tape.main/story.dog.jpg[/img] See article at:[url]http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/18/terror.tape.main/[/url] Don't feel better just cause it's only a dog. These folks wouldn't have hesitated to test the nerve agent on a Christian or Jewish child, and if they are anything like their supporter, Saddam, even a Moslem child! Eric The(Realistic)Hun[>]:)] |
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[size=4]Officials Not Surprised by CNN Tapes[/size=4] Mon Aug 19, 7:25 PM ET By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Videotapes that appear to show al-Qaida gassing dogs and practicing kidnappings made for grisly viewing on CNN, but U.S. officials said Monday the images so far haven't revealed the organization has any unexpected capabilities. President Bush, vacationing at his Texas ranch, has been fully briefed on the tapes, said spokesman Ari Fleischer. Some tapes appear to show al-Qaida operatives conducting mock ambushes and kidnappings. Most of the tapes appear to have been made before Sept. 11, although some show television coverage of the attacks in New York and Washington. "This is a serious reminder of the type of enemy we're up against and the risks the world faces from people who would use weapons to bring harm to innocents," Fleischer said. "This is a vivid illustration of what terrorism means and the threats it poses." Among the images repeatedly shown by CNN on Monday was footage involving three dogs, apparently subjected to some kind of test of a chemical weapon. In one case, a vapor is released and the dog begins licking its chops — an early sign it has been poisoned. The dog appears to lose control of its hindquarters, and is eventually seen lying on its back, moaning. Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the White House's Office of Homeland Security, called the videos "consistent with our previous information that (al-Qaida leaders) would use chemical weapons if they're able to obtain them." There was no credible information that the group had been successful in its effort to obtain weapons of mass destruction, he said. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said government officials will be reviewing CNN's tapes for any useful intelligence information. "The appropriate officials will take a look," Fleischer said. Officials said the U.S. government may have already recovered other copies of some of the tapes on its own. CNN spokeswoman Christa Robinson said, "We have shared and are sharing all of the video with the appropriate authorities, because of our concern for the safety of people around the world." She would not specify which authorities, and officials at several U.S. security agencies said they didn't have them. U.S. intelligence officials said Monday that al-Qaida's poisoning of a trapped dog does not necessarily mean the group can kill large numbers of people with chemical or biological weapons. Many of those chemicals are easy to obtain but difficult to distribute in a way that would cause massive casualties. Before the Afghanistan conflict, U.S. intelligence believed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden probably had access to crude, World War I-era chemical weapons like chlorine and phosgene, many of which are also available to heavy industry. His group may also have had small quantities of biological toxins and diseases. But al-Qaida operatives have lacked the ability to disperse them over wide areas. This is still believed to be the case, a senior Bush administration official said Monday. Gen. Tommy Franks, the top commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, has said searches of several dozen sites suspected of involvement in researching or developing weapons of mass destruction turned up no evidence that al-Qaida had produced chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. He said al-Qaida appeared not to have progressed beyond the experimental stages, although recovery of what he called "cookbooks" on weapons of mass destruction showed that al-Qaida had ambitions to acquire such weapons. Al-Qaida has been trying to acquire these weapons since 1993, according to statements from captured members of the organization. An 11-volume "Manual of Afghan Jihad," prepared for al-Qaida operatives and obtained by The Associated Press last year, includes instructions on plants that can be used to make poison gas, how to make the gas and what quantity is needed to kill a man. It also described how a room full of a particular odorless gas will kill someone in 30 seconds. CNN said correspondent Nic Robertson obtained the tapes, which began airing Sunday, from an unidentified source in Afghanistan. More of the tapes' contents will be revealed through several reports this week, the network said. Robertson was given access to more than 250 tapes, CNN said. He took about 60 of the tapes out of the country. The network said it showed the tapes to several experts to verify their authenticity. CNN paid a "modest amount" for the tapes, spokeswoman Robinson said Monday. CNN prefaced the videos with a warning that they were disturbing. The tapes also showed images of masked terrorists intercepting a vehicle along a dusty road in apparent training for a kidnapping. They also showed bin Laden, surrounded by tight security. Other tapes show images of bin Laden being interviewed by journalists, Robertson said, indicating they were from a private library of al-Qaida material made to document their work. See article at:[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=4&u=/ap/20020819/ap_on_re_us/cnn_terror_tapes_23[/url] [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20020819/lamdf90732.jpg[/img] [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020819/s/1029789783.2751578135.jpg[/img] Eric The(Ugh!)Hun[>]:)] |
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Post from SJSAMPLE The weapons we tested and fielded went a long way to stemming any East Bloc aggression. However, we've tested a lot nastier suff on a lot more (and cuter) critters. Sorry, m'Boy, but I for one do not consider the United States of America and its research into biological and chemical warfare for the defense of its citizens by such means, including the threatening of 'mutual assured destruction', quite on the same level as a group of [b]assholes such as Al Qaeda![/b] Precisely, who is it that Al Qaeda feels so threatened by? A righteously indignant United States after the 1993 WTC bombing or the 2001 WTC bombing? That sort of moral equivalency doesn't seem to be how I've judged you to be....was I wrong then...or wrong, now? When the United States does such things it is no different than medical experiments that can sometimes be administered to man's best friend! Can that be said of Al Qaeda? Eric The(HelpMeHere)Hun[>]:)] |
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People need to give it up. People at work are so shocked and horrified that they would poison dogs for tests. 1st off, poor ole snoopy wasn't going to get taken home by some little boy and fed puppy chow and given a bath and taken to the vet for heart worm pills. The damned dog was gonna be mutilated or starved to death anyways. Not that that is ok but hey, it's a darn dog in Afganistan. 2nd off, I am surprised they weren't trying this stuff on humans. Not like they were/are against killing. Seems like maybe it is rather normal around them parts. If they could use old vendor guy that pissed em off down the dirt road, why not use a good old human sample to see how the stuff really works. 3rd off, if they do have the technology they wouldn't hesitate to use it against you or I. I saw the CNN poll that said 62% of voters said they felt Al Qaeda was more of a threat after seeing or hearing of the tapes. I don't think they have shown me they are as big a threat as I think they are. Certainly not with the tapes CNN talks about. How could killing some dogs or seeing them declare war on the USA shock people more than 9-11 did? How could it even compare? Maybe the sheeple need more puppies hurt/dead before they realize that these scumbags need to be wiped from the face of the planet. |
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Don't feel better just cause it's only a dog. These folks wouldn't have hesitated to test the nerve agent on a Christian or Jewish child, and if they are anything like their supporter, Saddam, even a Moslem child! Earlier this evening, ABC Nightly News carried a story about a splinter group that actually tested an agent on an Afghan citizen. Basically, they exposed him in a public market, then followed him back to his house to watch him die over the next several days. |
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Quoted: How could killing some dogs or seeing them declare war on the USA shock people more than 9-11 did? How could it even compare? It doesn't compare but it did indeed shock the uneducated. Before the tapes, most Americans believed that we were dealing with a bunch of simple, uneducated, and crude goat herders. These tapes are a rude awakening for the uneducated that thought this war would be a nice simple one. These 'goat herders' are determined, intelligent and ruthless. The tapes show that they can create lethal chemical weapons. What else can they do? |
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I dont see how anyone could need more evidence after 9-11. but if this killing of the cute puppy will get the soccer moms up in arms...and get the college people to stop suppurting them there bastards,, then so be it.. like a guy in the radio said: "Its bad enough the US Spec ops folks are after your sorry ass... Wait til PETA getts thier hands on you..." basicly I dont care "WHO" kills your sorry Taliban ass... as long as your dead. |
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Quoted: Post from SJSAMPLE The weapons we tested and fielded went a long way to stemming any East Bloc aggression. However, we've tested a lot nastier suff on a lot more (and cuter) critters. Sorry, m'Boy, but I for one do not consider the United States of America and its research into biological and chemical warfare for the defense of its citizens by such means, including the threatening of 'mutual assured destruction', quite on the same level as a group of [b]assholes such as Al Qaeda![/b] Precisely, who is it that Al Qaeda feels so threatened by? A righteously indignant United States after the 1993 WTC bombing or the 2001 WTC bombing? That sort of moral equivalency doesn't seem to be how I've judged you to be....was I wrong then...or wrong, now? When the United States does such things it is no different than medical experiments that can sometimes be administered to man's best friend! Can that be said of Al Qaeda? Eric The(HelpMeHere)Hun[>]:)] I thought I was pretty clear about my intent. AGAIN, cute and furry puppies add nothing for me, or for anybody else who has seen and/or worked with any of the equipment and agents involved in chemical or biological warfare. ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW WAS THAT THEY HAD PRIMITIVE CHEMICAL WEAPONS. I don't care if they tested it on 101 Dalmations. Don't be simplistic and start throwing around "moral equivalency" when there was no attempt to make any such equation. We make, test and deploy weapons of mass destruction as a [i]defensive[/i] measure, as a matter of POLICY. They make and test, and hope to deploy, chemical weapons as terrorism. But the fact that both (hell, EVERYBODY) tests these weapons on cute little puppies is the LEAST of my worries or concerns. Yet, our wonderful free press hits on that feature, as if that's gonna make all the difference. Did we really need to see that article, or the puppy, to know that we're dealing with bastards? |
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Hmmm....nobody mentioned it so I'll remind you guys. Last winter, Al-Qaeda terrorists were discovered to be renting the building next door to the American Embassy in Rome. They were tunnelling underneath, or trying to break into the sewers under the embassy. They had large quantities of cyanide stored in their building. Want to guess what they were up to? [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1838759.stm[/url] |
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Quoted: The real sad part about this is the liberals and those who currently don't support the war effort will be so offended by the death of the puppy that they may change their minds. Sad because the puppy is, in their minds, a greater loss than a human child. Its the old "MAN BITES DOG" story. Unfortuately TV and Movies had made our minds numb to the site of humans dying that even i admit that watching the World Trade ATTACKS seemed like a friggin movie! took a few days to REALLY set in. So now people see a puppy dying. I AM SURE THE GASPING FOR AIR FROM HUMANS SOUNDS A LOT MORE DISTURBING!!! and I DONT EVER WANT TO HEAR THAT! Democrats are cheering it up that Approval ratings are falling for Bush...WHO FU*KING CARES! THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT US DEAD!!! DEAD DEAD DEAD!! One character actually called Sean Hannity on the radio today and said "how could you play that tape!!!" So if you are not warned ahead of time, you are pissed, If you are warned ahead of time, you are pissed....ummmmm MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!! |