Posted: 12/7/2012 8:24:14 PM EDT
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So NPR (yes, the commie bastards) just reported today that the LNG tanker Ob River just completed the first winter time crossing of the Arctic Ocean. It sailed from Norway and above Russia all the way to Japan. The route saved 20 days sailing and about $1 million in fuel. Not only that, they didn't have to diddle around in the Suez canal.
Non NPR (Commie Bastard) link to story Just imagine it. The roof of the world is warm enough that a big boat filled with lots of really touchy gas could poke its way through the ice in winter. Another few years and we may have even less of that pesky ice to get in the way of commerce. Before you bash me for a tree hugging, bunny loving, water head of an eco-nut, consider this. We, meaning all us petro burning folks in the good parts of the world should be taking full credit for this. If we insist that climate change is purely natural and humans haven't contributed, we give up any claim we might have on folks traveling the northern sea. I think that it's like we all chipped in and helped to build an express way. We should charge a toll and be compensated for our efforts. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record
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Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. That's what she said! |
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So full of derp.
After the Met Office in the UK announced that warming stopped 16 years ago: Linky-poo They still think all the ice is melting away and the world will end. |
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Some of you seem to be missing the point. When someone tries to drive a boat over the top of our hat, we should charge them for the privilege.
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So full of derp. After the Met Office in the UK announced that warming stopped 16 years ago: Linky-poo They still think all the ice is melting away and the world will end. Aren't the Brits European? Since when does GD give credence to anything European? |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? Heat rises doesn't it? |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. My globe and all my maps say north is up. Heat goes up. Therefor heat goes north. 
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Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. My globe and all my maps say north is up. Heat goes up. Therefor heat goes north. You ever thought about becoming a climate scientist? You have a government grant with your name on it. 
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Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. My globe and all my maps say north is up. Heat goes up. Therefor heat goes north. You ever thought about becoming a climate scientist? You have a government grant with your name on it.
Maybe I can be the official white house climateologer |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. sorry, but that's a bad argument. there are plenty of scientifically valid ways to critique current GW theory, but this is not one of them. I'm trying to stay consistent with the theory presented. If ice melting in the North Pole proves that GW is real, then why isn't ice melting in the South Pole? |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. sorry, but that's a bad argument. there are plenty of scientifically valid ways to critique current GW theory, but this is not one of them. I'm trying to stay consistent with the theory presented. If ice melting in the North Pole proves that GW is real, then why isn't ice melting in the South Pole? When the poles flip, it'll be game on.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012 Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. sorry, but that's a bad argument. there are plenty of scientifically valid ways to critique current GW theory, but this is not one of them. I'm trying to stay consistent with the theory presented. If ice melting in the North Pole proves that GW is real, then why isn't ice melting in the South Pole? good question. short answer is based on land mass distribution among the hemispheres. on current theory (that is pretty well established) the ocean is a giant carbon sink. in the northern hemisphere, you have most of the GHG emission, while most of the ocean is in the southern hemisphere. the second factor is that it is more than just emissions--we don't really change the ocean's ability to sequester carbon, but land use/land cover change is very easy. again, this takes place in the northern hemisphere far more than in the south. so the current theory predicts significantly rising temperatures north of 66N, with moderate increases south of 66S. the near-surface air temp record seems to be showing this, but one of the very valid critiques of GW is that temperature databases are suspicious. temperature trends are easy to cross-reference against things like earlier greening in the spring along with glacier shortening, but again, that's far easier to accomplish in the northern hemisphere where there is more land surface. such data is spottier down south. i'm not telling you how things are--you have to make up your own mind there. but it's important to understand the arguments that the other side is making before judging them. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. sorry, but that's a bad argument. there are plenty of scientifically valid ways to critique current GW theory, but this is not one of them. I'm trying to stay consistent with the theory presented. If ice melting in the North Pole proves that GW is real, then why isn't ice melting in the South Pole? good question. short answer is based on land mass distribution among the hemispheres. on current theory (that is pretty well established) the ocean is a giant carbon sink. in the northern hemisphere, you have most of the GHG emission, while most of the ocean is in the southern hemisphere. the second factor is that it is more than just emissions--we don't really change the ocean's ability to sequester carbon, but land use/land cover change is very easy. again, this takes place in the northern hemisphere far more than in the south. so the current theory predicts significantly rising temperatures north of 66N, with moderate increases south of 66S. the near-surface air temp record seems to be showing this, but one of the very valid critiques of GW is that temperature databases are suspicious. temperature trends are easy to cross-reference against things like earlier greening in the spring along with glacier shortening, but again, that's far easier to accomplish in the northern hemisphere where there is more land surface. such data is spottier down south. i'm not telling you how things are--you have to make up your own mind there. but it's important to understand the arguments that the other side is making before judging them. So, what you are saying with all them big fancy words, is that since north is up, and heat rises, it will get hotter in the northern hemisphere? I though we just covered that? You tryin to get a piece of the grant or what? Why don't you go do your own research!
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. My globe and all my maps say north is up. Heat goes up. Therefor heat goes north. Sounds logical to me. |
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The argument is not whether the northern passage is open, but if it was man made or the result of normal climatic cycles. No. The argument is whether or not we can charge a toll of ships sailing above Canadia. Damn. You do belong in government. |
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Quoted: The northern polar areas are clearly warming. It is less clear who or what is responsible. And it's getting warmer on the other planets, too. We've got to stop that bastard before he goes too far. It is certain that it is not yet as warm as it was when the Vikings colonized Greenland. |
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Antartica Sea Ice Sets Another Record September 20, 2012
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data. Meh! You're looking at the wrong end. So global warming likes to hang out at the north pole, but not the south pole? Heat rises doesn't it? Yes, but it rises away from the earth's surface. It doesn't go to the north. My globe and all my maps say north is up. Heat goes up. Therefor heat goes north. All rivers flow south also  
Gee don't they teach anything in school anymore |
| Certainly the planet is warming. To assume its because of SUVs doesn't explain why all the other planets in our solar system are also warming. NASA hasn't proven that these other planets have SUVs either. Nor has GM, Ford, Chrysler or any other auto maker engaged in interplanetary trade. Can't be the increased solar activity can it? |
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Certainly the planet is warming. To assume its because of SUVs doesn't explain why all the other planets in our solar system are also warming. NASA hasn't proven that these other planets have SUVs either. Nor has GM, Ford, Chrysler or any other auto maker engaged in interplanetary trade. Can't be the increased solar activity can it? Mars has one. Actually 3, but two of them are parked in some redneck's yard. |