[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Slide Lock vs Racking the Slide (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 12/5/2012 5:17:59 PM EDT
ETA: him always looking at his holster to reholster bugs the fucking shit out of me. |
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I use it as a slide release, activated with my strong hand thumb. When the fuck am I going to do a slide lock emergency reload with a random gun I pick up and happen to have spare mags for? I do the same thing. It is quicker. Slide goes forward as the arms push out. "because that is what you do for malfunctions" is a stupid reason. The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. |
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. |
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Quoted: There are times you need to re-holster quickly. They are small percentage times, but they exist for some. (reload your rifle, for instance)Quoted: The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. |
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There are times you need to re-holster quickly. They are small percentage times, but they exist for some. (reload your rifle, for instance) After I said that, I tried to think of reasons you'd need to reload quickly. The biggest one that came to mind was a cop who needs to reholster to handcuff a suspect or something along those lines. I'm not a cop, so that's a non issue. Other than that, it's hard to imagine a situation that I'd really need to do so. If others think it's something that they need to be able to do, that's fine with me. My presentation still isn't perfect, and my shooting could always get better (like most people). In the hierarchy of "shit I need to get better at with handguns", reholstering quickly without looking is pretty damn low on the list. |
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But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You also like AKs. So.......... I like all kinds of guns. 
And what sort of Warlord of the Cul de Sac would I be walking around with an AR-15? That shit doesn't intimidate Soccer Mom Harems. |
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Quoted: Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster.
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Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster. This. Just reverse your draw stroke. If it's consistent, you don't need to look anyways. Your pistol naturally flows back into it's home. |
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. |
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I think he's looking down at the holster for safety reasons, I mean, it IS a glock after all. One mis-step and he'll blow his leg clean off.
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I use it as a slide release, activated with my strong hand thumb. When the fuck am I going to do a slide lock emergency reload with a random gun I pick up and happen to have spare mags for? I do the same thing. It is quicker. Slide goes forward as the arms push out. "because that is what you do for malfunctions" is a stupid reason. The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster. This. Just reverse your draw stroke. If it's consistent, you don't need to look anyways. Your pistol naturally flows back into it's home. Clearing your cover garment is different for holstering / reholstering. (one handed draw/holster) |
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Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster. This. Just reverse your draw stroke. If it's consistent, you don't need to look anyways. Your pistol naturally flows back into it's home. Clearing your cover garment is different for holstering / reholstering. (one handed draw/holster) Nobody says you have to do it one handed. Your support hand can move your shirt or jacket to holster your weapon. No matter how you slce it, taking your tunnel vision and focusing it on your hip is not a good thing to do right after somebody tried to kill you. Just because you think it is over does not mean it is over. |
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. The point is not to reholster quickly without looking. The point is to be able to holster and secure your weapon without taking your eyes off your target. |
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Quoted: Sounds like a holster is the WORST place to have the gun, no matter how "Tier 1 clean no-look kewl" or not. Threat is down vs. threat is over. As you said: "You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw," well, why would you re-holster until you were absolutely certain there was no remaining threat? I'm thinking CCW or off duty LEO with an ankle holster, IWB from a tucked shirt, SOB carry...Quoted: Quoted: The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. |
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But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You also like AKs. So.......... I like all kinds of guns.
And what sort of Warlord of the Cul de Sac would I be walking around with an AR-15? That shit doesn't intimidate Soccer Mom Harems. You have a Soccer Mom Harem? 
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Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster. This. Just reverse your draw stroke. If it's consistent, you don't need to look anyways. Your pistol naturally flows back into it's home. Clearing your cover garment is different for holstering / reholstering. (one handed draw/holster) I use my off hand to pull up on my tshirt when I draw and reholster. It's part of my draw stroke. I do it even when my shirt is tucked in. I might not have anything to grab, but I do the motion as I bring my off hand to my right peck just under my collar bone in order to meet the gun at step 2 of a 4 step draw. I get pretty consistent ~1.6 sec buzzer-to-first-COM-hit draws using this method. |
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Sounds like a holster is the WORST place to have the gun, no matter how "Tier 1 clean no-look kewl" or not. Threat is down vs. threat is over. As you said: "You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw," well, why would you re-holster until you were absolutely certain there was no remaining threat? I'm thinking CCW or off duty LEO with an ankle holster, IWB from a tucked shirt, SOB carry...
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. Because you never know. That is the point. You could be absolutely sure it's over, but it might not be, or a new situation is developing that you did not notice. Just do what you have to do to move shirts, pull up pant legs, etc to holster when it is time to holster without looking at the holster or the gun. It really is not hard. Like RustedAce said above, there is other more important shit to be looking at. Cory is doing so much wrong especially for an instruction video. I doubt he has had any real trainng. |
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Quoted: Because you never know. That is the point. You could be absolutely sure it's over, but it might not be, or a new situation is developing that you did not notice. Just do what you have to do to move shirts, pull up pant legs, etc to holster when it is time to holster without looking at the holster or the gun. It really is not hard. Like RustedAce said above, there is other more important shit to be looking at. Cory is doing so much wrong especially for an instruction video. I doubt he has had any real trainng. Yep, I mean even if its not one of the millions of scenarios where something might happen, why would you want to. Do you look at your pockets when you put your keys or wallet in them? Its a waste of time and even if you are just looking at a pretty sunset when you re-holster its better than staring down at a holster. |
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Sounds like a holster is the WORST place to have the gun, no matter how "Tier 1 clean no-look kewl" or not. Threat is down vs. threat is over. As you said: "You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw," well, why would you re-holster until you were absolutely certain there was no remaining threat? I'm thinking CCW or off duty LEO with an ankle holster, IWB from a tucked shirt, SOB carry...
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. Because you never know. That is the point. You could be absolutely sure it's over, but it might not be, or a new situation is developing that you did not notice. Just do what you have to do to move shirts, pull up pant legs, etc to holster when it is time to holster without looking at the holster or the gun. It really is not hard. Like RustedAce said above, there is other more important shit to be looking at. Cory is doing so much wrong especially for an instruction video. I doubt he has had any real trainng. He's supposedly taken training from some of the bigger name instructors. They're (him and Erika) also hosting some of them, like Haley and Tactical Response (arguable, I know), at their new school/range/whatever. Dude has his motions down and is certainly a good shot. The looking at your holster just bugs me. Haley teaches it also (or did in one of Magpul's videos). |
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Why would looking at your holster be a bad thing? might just avoid a piece of clothing or a stick or a piece of brass or whatever from causing a bad day. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Its a very bad habit to get into if you are doing anything for realz at all. There are lots of other things to look at way more important than your holster. This. Just reverse your draw stroke. If it's consistent, you don't need to look anyways. Your pistol naturally flows back into it's home. Clearing your cover garment is different for holstering / reholstering. (one handed draw/holster) Nobody says you have to do it one handed. Your support hand can move your shirt or jacket to holster your weapon. No matter how you slce it, taking your tunnel vision and focusing it on your hip is not a good thing to do right after somebody tried to kill you. Just because you think it is over does not mean it is over. If that's the case, I really don't need to be re-holstering it yet. |
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It depends on the type of holster. I am going to take a split second to look when I'm holstering my loaded concealed carry gun into my IWB holster. There are some obvious reasons why, so I don't think I need to explain them unless you really need me to.
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Why would I choose a method that he admits is 1/2 second slower? My reloads are too fast and I don't want to make the other guys look bad??? 
"Slide lock reload is about a half second faster so about the same speed as slingshot but I do slingshot blah blah blah." Half a second faster = the same? |
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. No need to retype same response, Mach covered it. |
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Sounds like a holster is the WORST place to have the gun, no matter how "Tier 1 clean no-look kewl" or not. Threat is down vs. threat is over. As you said: "You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw," well, why would you re-holster until you were absolutely certain there was no remaining threat? I'm thinking CCW or off duty LEO with an ankle holster, IWB from a tucked shirt, SOB carry...
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The fact that this guy can't holster his weapon without looking at the holster tells me he has no clue as to what he is doing or why he is doing it. I guess I'm just not Tier 1. I absolutely understand the need for and practice being able to draw from concealment and get on target quickly. But I've never seen the benefit in practicing reholstering quickly without looking, especially with something like a Glock. But whatever makes you feel cool when you're on the range I guess. You just used your weapon. BG is down. Your adrenaline is peaked. You are breathing heavy. You have tunnel vision from the stress. How is your situational awareness right now. You need to Holster your weapon for any number of reasons. Why should you take your eyes off of the threat and your environment to holster your weapon. You don't take your eyes off of the threat or the situation to draw, why do it to holster. You fight like you train. The last thing you want to do right after a gun fight is look at your holster. Learn to holster your weapon without looking at it. It is easy and takes very little time or effort to learn. Nobody says you have to do it quickly, you just don't want to take your eyes off the situatio or the downed threats if you don't have to. Don't take your tunnel vision and focus it on your holster. You might as well be blind. There is a reason why every law enforcement officer in the country learns to do this. It is because cops have been killed by the downed BG or the BG's friends when the cop looked at his holster to holster his weapon when he THOUGHT the gun fight was over. It wasn't. It has nothing to do with feeling cool, and everything to do with staying alive. Of course if all you are ever going to do with that gun is shoot at the range, then it doesn't matter. But If you are training to stay alive, then you should holster your weapon without looking at it. ETA. After the last round, this guy goes right to his holster. He should stop shooting, bring his weapon in to a low ready bent elbow position and assess his situation and look around and open up his feld of vision. This idiot in the video takes his last shot, and goes right to his holster eyes on holster. Guess what he will do after he is involved in a shooting. After the last round he is going to take his tunnel vision and deafness and focus it right on his holster,( he might as well close his eyes and cup his ears) eyes off the threat and his surroundings and get capped by a gangbanger or Johny jihad. Because you never know. That is the point. You could be absolutely sure it's over, but it might not be, or a new situation is developing that you did not notice. Just do what you have to do to move shirts, pull up pant legs, etc to holster when it is time to holster without looking at the holster or the gun. It really is not hard. Like RustedAce said above, there is other more important shit to be looking at. Cory is doing so much wrong especially for an instruction video. I doubt he has had any real trainng. He's supposedly taken training from some of the bigger name instructors. They're (him and Erika) also hosting some of them, like Haley and Tactical Response (arguable, I know), at their new school/range/whatever. Dude has his motions down and is certainly a good shot. The looking at your holster just bugs me. Haley teaches it also (or did in one of Magpul's videos). He probably does well at an IPSC match if none of the other participants are shooting at him. But he obviously isn't teaching how to fight. He looks at the holster when he holsters He immediately holsters after the last round, he does not open up his field of vision And when he does an emergency reload, it s up relatively high, but he is looking at the mag and not through the gun looking down range. he should be Abe to put the new mag in the gun without looking at that too. |
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I think the reason some guys are so adamant about slingshot style reloads is because the tiny nub of a slide release that glocks have. Glocks are perfect, therefore the training must adapt to the hardware limitations?
My carry guns (PX4, P99) have a usable slide release, so I use it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I think the reason some guys are so adamant about slingshot style reloads is because the tiny nub of a slide release that glocks have. Glocks are perfect, therefore the training must adapt to the hardware limitations? My carry guns (PX4, P99) have a usable slide release, so I use it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The one on my M&P9 is terrible. I practice using it just so I can competently demonstrate it, but it sucks. At matches I just rack it. |
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It depends on the type of holster. I am going to take a split second to look when I'm holstering my loaded concealed carry gun into my IWB holster. There are some obvious reasons why, so I don't think I need to explain them unless you really need me to. As far as speed reloads go, I usually just rack the slide because the button on my gun is really stiff and hard to push down fast. Same here. I have 2 handguns, one is easy to release with the slide lock, the other is difficult. I just rack both so I don't have to think about which method to use under stress. Quoted:
I think the reason some guys are so adamant about slingshot style reloads is because the tiny nub of a slide release that glocks have. Glocks are perfect, therefore the training must adapt to the hardware limitations? My carry guns (PX4, P99) have a usable slide release, so I use it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My Glock is the "easy to release" one. 
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Of the millions of rounds I've put down range (nyuk nyuk), I've released the slide on every auto loader Ive ever fired using the thumb on the strong hand. From the Sig226, Hi-Power, 1911, Buckmark, etc, etc. That doesn't mean I've not tried the tacti-coolio way of "power stroking" or grabbing the slide though.
I've trained on LEO courses where we're taught to do what must be done under stress. When performing a combat reload, it is a blur and hopefully a smooth and fluid action the drop the mag-grab a new mag-reload-extend to ready position. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I wont ding anyone for using the "power stroke" to release the slide and in many cases it works better depending on the strength of the shooter. Many simply do not have the strength to depress the lever. Practice multiple ways and be able to do it multiple ways, but be weary to say "best" when determining which way to do things. Which way is "best" when the support hand is injured? Etc. |
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Okay, I'm not trying to be a smartass about this, actually trying to learn something by asking questions. Seems that - maybe it's just video one-upsmanship, maybe it's a result of games with clocks - the actual speed of how quickly one can re-holster isn't important, especially when it costs safety or further distraction. A glance down to ensure there's no foreign objects seems like a good idea, especially if detritus is a strong possibility (I don't know: spent brass, a rock that got in there while rolling around in the dirt, snow, mud, Jet Li disassembling your Beretta and dropping the parts in  ). In addition to the possibility of a ND, being unable to reholster securely when you expected to do it without issues...seems like that'd be worse than visualizing that re-holstering may not be possible (yet). |
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Okay, I'm not trying to be a smartass about this, actually trying to learn something by asking questions. Seems that - maybe it's just video one-upsmanship, maybe it's a result of games with clocks - the actual speed of how quickly one can re-holster isn't important, especially when it costs safety or further distraction. A glance down to ensure there's no foreign objects seems like a good idea, especially if detritus is a strong possibility (I don't know: spent brass, a rock that got in there while rolling around in the dirt, snow, mud, Jet Li disassembling your Beretta and dropping the parts in ). In addition to the possibility of a ND, being unable to reholster securely when you expected to do it without issues...seems like that'd be worse than visualizing that re-holstering may not be possible (yet).
Yeah, I never advocate 'speed holstering'. There is no 'race to re-holster'. You won't win a fight or a match by being the fasted guy to put his gun away. People will say, "what if you're in a mall and the cops are coming?", then slowly put the gun away, or if they are ordering you to drop it, just drop it. They won't be impressed by your ninja re-holster move. |