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Janeway,  Sisco, Tuvok, Quark, Odo, Dax, Kim, Paris, Quark's kid, Sisco's kid, Bashir, Chacote...



Twelve reasons that both DS9 and Voyager are unwatchable most episodes.  TOS and TNG had better characters by far.

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The one with Frank Gorshin. Black on one side, white on the other.

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I thought I knew a lot about Star Trek but what the hell is "TOS"?

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I thought I knew a lot about Star Trek but what the hell is "TOS"?

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A Piece Of The Action is right up there with The Trouble With Tribbles in terms of hilarity.

"Heya, Scottie? Send down some heatas, eh, you know what I mean?"

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star trek mirrors Arfcoms logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMegqgGORY

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Sisko, Odo, and Bashir were awesome, and Quark had good moments.

I could tolerate Tuvok, Nog, Jake, and sometimes Janeway.

Chakotay and Kim...not so much.
 

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Interesting thoughts by many of you on the Star Trek series.

TWO outstanding episodes, in my opinion:  both involving Time Trave.

The Original Series: City on the Edge of Forever.
Great story.  Several classic lines.
Simply one of the best episodes of the entire series.


The Next Generation:  The Inner Light.
I found this story to be 'profound'.

Searches on the internet for episodes to watch vary.
Try this one and go from there:
STAR TREK EPISODES

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This.

TNG didn't get good until they got collars on their uniforms.

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Have you seen the green dancing girl yet??

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Janeway makes a certain amount of sense if you look at her from the  sfdebris point of view.

Drunk with power.  Probably insane.  

Sisko kind of grows on you, tho.  There's alot not to like about him, but then that's kind of a refreshing thing in and of itself.  He isn't another damn Mary Sue.

With Voyager, the plot is contrived to make Janeway out to be a superhuman saint.  She just comes off as some kind of plastic hypocrite.

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Recently got TOS first season Remastered on Blu Ray.  Been watching Star Trek for a month.  Was surprised to see a couple of episodes I have never seen.

Check out TNG first season Remastered Blu Ray as soon as you can.  All I can say is... "DAMN"
 

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This, the colors are simply amazing.

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This, the colors are simply amazing.

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My que is Collars.  In the Thrid season they added collars to the uniforms and better writers to the scripts.

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From what I've read the jumpsuits in the first two seasons were so tight they were giving Patrick Stewart back problems, necessitating the costume change.

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I will ask a TNG question.  Why was Q so startled, almost scared, when he saw Guinan on the Enterprise?  Did the El-Aurians pose a threat to the Continuum?

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Thats also about the time that Roddenberry died, so his "vision" was diluted a bit

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I will ask a TNG question.  Why was Q so startled, almost scared, when he saw Guinan on the Enterprise?  Did the El-Aurians pose a threat to the Continuum?

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Janeway makes a certain amount of sense if you look at her from the  sfdebris point of view.

Drunk with power.  Probably insane.  

Sisko kind of grows on you, tho.  There's alot not to like about him, but then that's kind of a refreshing thing in and of itself.  He isn't another damn Mary Sue.

With Voyager, the plot is contrived to make Janeway out to be a superhuman saint.  She just comes off as some kind of plastic hypocrite.

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He actually died during season 5, but his health was poor for a while before then, so he wasn't as involved as he had been.
Gene created a great universe, and Trekkies will always owe him big props for that, but others did better things with it once he turned over the reins.
 

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http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/RBPTN018lg.jpg

and lots more I'm sure.....

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Thats also about the time that Roddenberry died, so his "vision" was diluted a bit



I actually prefer the later uniforms from the last couple of seasons.

I had heard that they had to go to the later uniforms because Brent Spinner needed to wear a back brace at times and that wasn't concealable under the old uniforms.

Designed by Original Series veteran costumer William Ware Theiss, this uniform style was first seen worn in the premiere episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, "Encounter at Farpoint". It was phased out of use by regular actors following "Shades of Gray", though appeared on background actors until the fourth season, when existing costumes were altered to reflect the uniform change. Reportedly, these uniforms caused discomfort to the actors wearing them, causing back problems as well as being hot under studio lights. This may explain why Dr. Pulaski was seen in a unique, two-piece skant uniform during her second season tenure on TNG.

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Horse races.

To me, looking at some of that digitally remastered stuff, such as the Doomsday Machine, makes me sick. Give me the old stuff, please!............as it is, I have almost the complete series on VHS/DVD.



Well, one has to remember, that back then, no one expected the episodes to be watched as much as they are. One or two more looks, maybe a little syndication, and that would be it.

Okay, now that I have made a point or two, let me get to the analysis portion.

TOS was like American Diplomacy up to but not including Kissinger. Anything happens "out there", the ambassador handles it. In TOS, Kirk handles it.

But TNG is like Diplomacy Kissinger and after. Anything happens out there, the Secretary of State is out on the next plane to handle it. TNG, they warp an admiral out to take charge.

Quite frankly, one of the things about TNG that irritated me were the various things that should have gotten Picard canned. Such as when Lore took off with Data. Picard abandons his task force command, empties the ship of crew in a war zone to look for one man, and puts Crusher in charge of the ship. This is not the action of a true commanding officer.

I am wondering which two episodes you have watched. Quite frankly, my fav has always been "Where No Man Has Gone Before". The concept of a super Esper is just incredible.  

Others that I love are "Dagger of the mind", "Mirror, Mirror", "The Man Trap", "The Enemy Within", "Mudd's Women", "The Conscience of the King", "The Return of the Archons", "Who Mourns for Adonais", "Wolf in the Fold", "A Private Little War", "Bread and Circuses", "The Paradise Syndrome". "The Tholian Web", "Wink of an Eye", "Whom Gods Destroy", "Let that be Your Last Battlefield", "That Which Survives", "Requiem for Methuselah", and "All our yesterdays".

Some, like Wink, Requiem, and Yesterdays because they are about sci fi concepts I like. Others like Dagger, Man Trap, Mudd's, and Conscience, because they have sub theme plots that shows how their world works. For example, in "Mudd's Women", Kirk holds an admiralty board.

Some of them just have got great interchanges between the cast such as Archons, Gods Destroy, Enemy, and Circuses. Others show just what a Starship can do such as with Paradise,  Circuses, and Adonais.

Some might see Apollo as a little gay being in that toga, but I loved Spock laying down wrath while taking fire from a new definition of "shore batteries".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVGK3fuD5Kw



























Ones like Wolf, Tholian, Survives, and Battlefield because the foe they are dealing with is incredibly powerful. "A Private Little War" is what I was saying about pre Kissinger diplomacy.  Occassionally, some good ole merciless violence such as Mirror is nice to have.

One of the things of the current era that I find sucks is how they have explained a lot of what happened in TOS. It is better when it is a mystery, when one can think and dream about it.

I suppose if one just takes it on the face value, or just goes with the story on top, they are not going to like it as much as someone one like me.............but that's what makes horse races.
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I'm not too good on episode titles. Which one was City on the edge of forever?

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No, heathen! He was WHITE on one side, and BLACK on the other!

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Just a few days ago I watched "A Wolf in the Fold".

"Red Jack...Red Jack...Red Jack...ahhh hahahahahhaha!"

"Die!....Die!...Die!.....Everybody.....DIE!"

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TOS is the only ST series I will watch...

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"Kill you all... Make you suffer... Die"

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"Kill you all... Make you suffer... Die"

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I just recently watched the entire TOS series again.

When you watch it one episode after another, you will be amazed by how many episodes deal with some kind of space plague that is going to kill millions of people unless they get some dumb planet to give them the one mineral that they need to stop it..   The episodes that don't deal with space plagues almost all have some kind of wierd culture ran by computers that need to be turned off.

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and that's just the first two seasons. What Star Trek was being watched here?

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Episodes with Plagues/Disease:
Miri
Requiem for Methuselah
Galileo Seven
Omega Glory
The Cloud Minders
The Naked Time
For the World is Hollow
Mark of Gideon


Out of control Computers:

Return of the Archons
Taste of Armegedon
The Apple
The Ultimate Computer
That which survives

That was just a quick scan with Google.  I'm sure I missed a couple...

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.  Gul Dukat was a manipulative Devil!  Truly evil.

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He died in late 91. Series premiered in fall of '87, making that season 4. Figuring that shows broadcast in fall of '91 were filmed earlier that year and also figuring in the illness that took him out of the loop as you mention, I figure his influence that resulted in so many of those schlocky "the 23/24th century is Nirvana" episodes was largely gone after season 3