Posted: 8/8/2012 5:58:42 AM EDT
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I have a couple of old Surefire flashlights and am looking to upgrade to LED. Are Malkoff http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/dropin-mod-dropins-to-fit-surefire-c-1_14.html any good? Acceptable for mounting to a rifle? The Surefires I need to upgrade are: A D3 defender 3 cell (9v) uses a P90 assembly, M951 weaponlight 2 cell (6v) using P60 assembly, E2D 2 cell (6v) uses a MN03 bulb, I may need to change out the whole head? What are ARFCOM's recommendations? |
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Malkoff is all A1 stuff.
You can have the switch defanged on the E2D and have it bored for 17670 cells and it will run an M61 for long runtimes without tearing up pockets. I have an E2E I use with M61 and two Liions but am looking into modifying the original head with a three mode with 2.2 amp or so XML and boring it for 17670. |
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I love the Malkoff upgrade units.
When you go to upgrade the m951 you will want to go with a low output version or replace the head on the m951. The m951 has a rubber shock absorber built into the head that will not let the heat sink to the body of the light. NoKarma |
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Quoted: Malkoff is all A1 stuff. You can have the switch defanged on the E2D and have it bored for 17670 cells and it will run an M61 for long runtimes without tearing up pockets. I have an E2E I use with M61 and two Liions but am looking into modifying the original head with a three mode with 2.2 amp or so XML and boring it for 17670. To be fair I use a stock Surefire E1B for an EDC and have done so for years now and I'm really happy with it. The E2D sits in my car as a backup, I stopped carrying it as it tore up my pockets. The D3 (which I found in a box today and forgot I had) may be mounted to my AR, the M951 to my SIG 551. Is there any better conversion than Malkoff? Because it looks like I may be ordering soon. |
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Quoted: I love the Malkoff upgrade units. When you go to upgrade the m951 you will want to go with a low output version or replace the head on the m951. The m951 has a rubber shock absorber built into the head that will not let the heat sink to the body of the light. NoKarma I'll keep that in mind, 175 lumens for 3 hours is enough for me. |
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Malkoff is top shelf made in USA! The light quality is great. Spot and spill is balanced perfectly for a weapon light, meaning that it lights up the whole dark room with a wide spill and then has a medium wide spot to blind with. The are no B.S. multiple light mode settings like Fenix has to mess with. I have an embarrassing amount of Malkoff's. I have 2 mounted to weapons 24/7. I have old mag light upgrades. I have a Hound-dog bright ass torch. I also have a bright fn polytack on my helmet that is 1/3 the cost and is perfect for the job. Quoted: I have a couple of old Surefire flashlights and am looking to upgrade to LED. Are Malkoff http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/dropin-mod-dropins-to-fit-surefire-c-1_14.html any good? Acceptable for mounting to a rifle? The Surefires I need to upgrade are: A D3 defender 3 cell (9v) uses a P90 assembly, M951 weaponlight 2 cell (6v) using P60 assembly, E2D 2 cell (6v) uses a MN03 bulb, I may need to change out the whole head? What are ARFCOM's recommendations? M951 weaponlight 2 cell (6v) using P60 assembly, http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m61-mod-to-fit-surefire-and-malkoff-p-7.html Wrong item this one will last longer than the High output @6v. Read about them. http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/md10-for-surefire-weapon-lights-p-117.html This one is the one that fits but it dose not work @6v. EDIT* I prefer rechargeable 18650 batteries. I use Malkoffs surefire made in USA knockoff. http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/turnkey-ha-flashlight-md2-p-68.html with the rechargeable batteries. Unfortunately the surefire is not likely to have the bore diameter to take the girth of the 18650 battery.  |
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I want to piggy back on this... I have a couple M952 and M962 weapon lights I would like to upgrade at some point. They still work so I have not been jumping to upgrade but the technology keeps getting better so I need to consider doing something at some point...
Any suggestions for the 9v unit? |
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You can replace the E2D head with a unit from LumensFactory. I did this on my E2E. It's hella bright compared to original. 300+ lumens. It doesn't have the bezel like the E2D though. Very well built. |
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Quoted: I want to piggy back on this... I have a couple M952 and M962 weapon lights I would like to upgrade at some point. They still work so I have not been jumping to upgrade but the technology keeps getting better so I need to consider doing something at some point... Any suggestions for the 9v unit? Malkoff has this http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m91-dropin-p-107.html 450 lumens  for 1 and a half hours, and their m61 may handle 9v too. The only issues is whether they fit: Nokarma said this above: I love the Malkoff upgrade units. When you go to upgrade the m951 you will want to go with a low output version or replace the head on the m951. The m951 has a rubber shock absorber built into the head that will not let the heat sink to the body of the light. NoKarma I'm not sure if that means that the head will accept the low output models and not the standard, or that neither will fit unless change the head. |
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Quoted: You can replace the E2D head with a unit from LumensFactory. I did this on my E2E. It's hella bright compared to original. 300+ lumens. It doesn't have the bezel like the E2D though. Very well built. Any idea on runtime at 300 lumens. BTW that sight is confusing as f*** |
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Quoted: The lamp head needs to shed heat into the body. The shock absorber is a heat insulator that will heat the lamp untill smoke the smoke comes out and it dies. Quoted: I want to piggy back on this... I have a couple M952 and M962 weapon lights I would like to upgrade at some point. They still work so I have not been jumping to upgrade but the technology keeps getting better so I need to consider doing something at some point... Any suggestions for the 9v unit? Malkoff has this http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m91-dropin-p-107.html 450 lumens for 1 and a half hours, and their m61 may handle 9v too. The only issues is whether they fit: Nokarma said this above: I love the Malkoff upgrade units. When you go to upgrade the m951 you will want to go with a low output version or replace the head on the m951. The m951 has a rubber shock absorber built into the head that will not let the heat sink to the body of the light. NoKarma I'm not sure if that means that the head will accept the low output models and not the standard, or that neither will fit unless change the head. M91 is a drop-in lamp for a SureFire 9P not the m951. You need a different lamp. You could e-mail Gene M. or his wife, the are super nice Americans, They will get back to you with answers from professionals in their field of expertise. http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/contact_us.html |
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Quoted: Quoted: The lamp head needs to shed heat into the body. The shock absorber is a heat insulator that will heat the lamp untill smoke the smoke comes out and it dies. Quoted: I want to piggy back on this... I have a couple M952 and M962 weapon lights I would like to upgrade at some point. They still work so I have not been jumping to upgrade but the technology keeps getting better so I need to consider doing something at some point... Any suggestions for the 9v unit? Malkoff has this http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop/m91-dropin-p-107.html 450 lumens for 1 and a half hours, and their m61 may handle 9v too. The only issues is whether they fit: Nokarma said this above: I love the Malkoff upgrade units. When you go to upgrade the m951 you will want to go with a low output version or replace the head on the m951. The m951 has a rubber shock absorber built into the head that will not let the heat sink to the body of the light. NoKarma I'm not sure if that means that the head will accept the low output models and not the standard, or that neither will fit unless change the head. M91 is a drop-in lamp for a SureFire 9P not the m951. You need a different lamp. Ok, thanks for explaining. |
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Quoted: Hope it's OK to ask a question in here, Op. Is there any reason to upgrade my 15 year old 4D Maglite or would I be better off just buying a complete flashlight? Fine by me. As for your maglite unless you need the bulk and weight for say Self defense, I prefer small and lightweight. Fenix have good, bright, lights that would cost as much as an upgrade for the Maglite. |
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Quoted: I've never kept track of runtime, but it is decent. I've gone through 2 sets of batteries and never felt that it ran out too quick. FWIW.Quoted: You can replace the E2D head with a unit from LumensFactory. I did this on my E2E. It's hella bright compared to original. 300+ lumens. It doesn't have the bezel like the E2D though. Very well built. Any idea on runtime at 300 lumens. BTW that sight is confusing as f*** |
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Quoted: NoKarma You can use a lower output drop in and a copper disc to get the heat to the body of the light or you can change the bezel to a unit without the rubber shock mount. NoKarma Do you think this https://www.primaryarms.com/Cree_R5_LED_320_Lumens_Dropin_Module_p/r5led.htm will fit in the M951 without modification? It looks to be similar in dimension to the P60 from surefire. |
| I upgraded my E2E with a Surefire KX2C LED conversion head. I've compared it to a Malkoff converted 6P and the SF is a lot better. Whiter light, less heat, and a better beam. You get what you pay for. |
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You can use a lower output drop in and a copper disc to get the heat to the body of the light or you can change the bezel to a unit without the rubber shock mount. NoKarma Do you think this https://www.primaryarms.com/Cree_R5_LED_320_Lumens_Dropin_Module_p/r5led.htm will fit in the M951 without modification? It looks to be similar in dimension to the P60 from surefire. It will fit but you still need to get the heat out of the light. NoKarma |
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Malkoff is good to go. i actually know Gene and sell him parts that go into his units ( i work in semiconductor sales)
last time i was at his office, we had one of my G2 surefires with a "200 Lum" head from somewhere. we stuck it in his light sphere sensor thingy and it registered 130. threw in one of his heads and got it up to 250. added one of his tailcaps and its my edc now |
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Hope it's OK to ask a question in here, Op. Is there any reason to upgrade my 15 year old 4D Maglite or would I be better off just buying a complete flashlight? I've got two 6D MagLites that I added the TereLux Ministar 5 single LED modules to, about 3 months back. Not necessarily brighter, but runtime on 6D batteries is about 300% longer with the TL LED in there. They make them for 3 and 4 D cell lights, as well. It's a cooler temperature, so not as warm as the Krypton bulbs. About $33 shipped for two, from BatteryJunction.com. Chris |
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Quoted: The runtime would be measured in daysQuoted: Hope it's OK to ask a question in here, Op. Is there any reason to upgrade my 15 year old 4D Maglite or would I be better off just buying a complete flashlight? Fine by me. As for your maglite unless you need the bulk and weight for say Self defense, I prefer small and lightweight. Fenix have good, bright, lights that would cost as much as an upgrade for the Maglite. . |
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I want to piggy back on this... I have a couple M952 and M962 weapon lights I would like to upgrade at some point. They still work so I have not been jumping to upgrade but the technology keeps getting better so I need to consider doing something at some point... Any suggestions for the 9v unit? TNVC TX-4 is what I use in my 9v M500s (same bulb and bezel as the M962): 
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Quoted: I upgraded my E2E with a Surefire KX2C LED conversion head. I've compared it to a Malkoff converted 6P and the SF is a lot better. Whiter light, less heat, and a better beam. You get what you pay for. Though for the price of the conversion, $150, I could buy a new light with the same performance from Surefire say the 6PX, $115, and have change. As fro the M951 I think I'll set it down for now, and look at mounting something like a 6PX in a VTAC mount for my AR, since the only reliable swap would be a KM3 from surefire http://www.surefire.com/parts-accessories/led-conversions/km3.html and that's $300. I'll pickup a Malkoff conversion for my D3 and G2 LED though. |
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Hope it's OK to ask a question in here, Op. Is there any reason to upgrade my 15 year old 4D Maglite or would I be better off just buying a complete flashlight? Unless you want to mod your 4D maglite (5 XMLs driven off of some 32650s for 2000+ lumens of output anyone?  ) you are better off buying a complete light. (may I suggest Solarforce if you want to do it on a budget? I am a solarforce whore  )
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Malkoff is all A1 stuff. You can have the switch defanged on the E2D and have it bored for 17670 cells and it will run an M61 for long runtimes without tearing up pockets. I have an E2E I use with M61 and two Liions but am looking into modifying the original head with a three mode with 2.2 amp or so XML and boring it for 17670. You wouldn't need to have it bored for 17670s, 17670s fit fine, if he wanted to "upgrade" to 18650s (and the much higher mAh and lower prices they offer) he would need to have it bored. |
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Malkoff is all A1 stuff. You can have the switch defanged on the E2D and have it bored for 17670 cells and it will run an M61 for long runtimes without tearing up pockets. I have an E2E I use with M61 and two Liions but am looking into modifying the original head with a three mode with 2.2 amp or so XML and boring it for 17670. You wouldn't need to have it bored for 17670s, 17670s fit fine, if he wanted to "upgrade" to 18650s (and the much higher mAh and lower prices they offer) he would need to have it bored. 17670s don't fit in all E series bodies. It's incredibly hard to bore a E series to fit all 18650 cells. |