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7/24/2002 11:43:57 AM EDT
a buddy of mine is a smith at a local ffl. they ordered one and recieved it a few months ago. After very few rounds it broke and is now DOA. they are looking into getting it repaired.

Has anyone else had a problem with these? I want one but have yet to hear any first hand use of them other than this.

By the way they said it kicks like a freaking mule. Much worse than advertised.

mike
7/24/2002 12:10:57 PM EDT
[#1]
It looks to me that every fvcknut in the world in getting into the .50 market to make a buck. I don't know anything about Ferret and their quality, but I do know that more than half of these $2,000-$3,000 single-shot .50 rifles are probably worth no more than $600.

I base this on the cost of parts and the complexity of the rifles. A lot of them are way over priced.
7/24/2002 12:18:47 PM EDT
[#2]
I completely agree.  You'd think, with every "fvcknut" getting into the racket, the prices should start to go down.  It's not like we're talking about complex semi-auto's here.  It's a barrel and a bolt, and that's about it.  No way do they justify the price tags.
7/24/2002 2:17:45 PM EDT
[#3]
I have a Ferret50. I am curious, what exactly "broke" on it? Mine appears to be very solidly built so I am trying to imagine what might have puked.

There is a guy over on the BiggerHammer board that has a Ferret (he had it at the BRC) and he claims to have well over 1000 rounds through it with zero problems. I have probably in the area of 200 rounds through mine with no problems yet.

As far as the recoil, what length barrel is your buddy shooting? I have the 36 inch barrel. Recoil is stiff but not horrendous. I also have the 3 pound lead weight in the buttstock to help eat up recoil. I went out a couple weeks ago and shot about 50 rounds through it wearing a T shirt. I could not have shot that many rounds through my 870 Home Defense 12 guage. Last year at Bulletfest, I shot 25 rounds of slugs through the 12 and I was hurting bad. After 50 rounds of the Ferret, I was a little sore but not bad. I only got some slight signs of bruising. The 12 guage left me real black & blue after only 25 rounds. For what it is worth....I am a pretty big guy.

One other thing that I do that I think helps is that I shoot off a bench. This allows my upper body to move more under recoil. I have to believe that the recoil would be more punishing if shooting prone. I love shooting my Ferret......tis a grin. [:D]

My baby........
[img]http://www.ar15.com/members/albums/Lumpy223%2FFerret1%2EJPG[/img]
7/24/2002 2:53:59 PM EDT
[#4]
What broke????

7/24/2002 3:43:42 PM EDT
[#5]
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a buddy of mine is a smith at a local ffl. they ordered one and recieved it a few months ago. After very few rounds it broke and is now DOA. they are looking into getting it repaired.
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I did get a call from a dealer this week for a Ferret50 that was mis-firing. The two main things that will cause this is bad ammo (there had been some running around) or firing pin problems. I am having the dealer ship it to me for repair. In no way is this DOA.

By the way they said it kicks like a freaking mule. Much worse than advertised.
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Any 50cal is a shock to those who have never fired one. I have many customers that are 1st time 50cal shooters, and they are putting 50 to 150 rounds through their Ferret on the first outing. More info can be had at [url]www.biggerhammer.net[/url] of owners and repete customers who are buying a second Ferret for their 14 yr old children. Recoil cant be that bad.

Team Ferret

7/24/2002 4:02:06 PM EDT
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a buddy of mine is a smith at a local ffl. they ordered one and recieved it a few months ago. After very few rounds it broke and is now DOA. they are looking into getting it repaired.

Has anyone else had a problem with these? I want one but have yet to hear any first hand use of them other than this.

By the way they said it kicks like a freaking mule. Much worse than advertised.

mike
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I have a Ferret on order. I have talked to numerous owners, and researched for 2 months before ordering. I could find not ONE negative comment. I have talked with Dave (Team Ferret) numerous times on the phone. I am confident that if someone has a problem with his product, he'll go the last mile to rectify it.
7/24/2002 4:39:02 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks TF

i keep hearing great things but this was the first comment i had heard from someone that had one. I am not sure what broke but i was told it was doa. Would not fire. Nice to see you guys stand behind them! Thats a BIG + for me.

mike
7/24/2002 6:25:03 PM EDT
[#8]
So, Team Ferret, why the hell are they so expensive?  Is it just short supply/high demand = high prices?  I don't just mean your products, but .50's in general.  I can't believe the manufacturing costs are that much higher just because of the larger caliber.
7/24/2002 6:32:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Beer Slayer.......Ferrets customer support is great. I e-mailed Dave a bunch of times before I actually ordered and each time I received a reply. In fact, I have gotten replies every time since then. Even after the sale & delivery, Dave has been responsive to questions I had.

Dave went the extra mile for me on something (which was really appreciated) when he didn't have to. The Ferret50 is a hell of a piece and Dave is great to work with. Buy with confidence.
7/25/2002 2:18:54 AM EDT
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So, Team Ferret, why the hell are they so expensive?  
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Probably to keep "fvcknuts" like you from buying an exclusive product.  [;)] (note: little winky-guy at end of post. Do not be offended!)
7/25/2002 3:06:47 AM EDT
[#11]
Hey Team Ferret, You got a website I can go to and look at what you got?
7/25/2002 3:11:28 AM EDT
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[url]http://ferret50.com/[/url]
7/25/2002 4:40:17 AM EDT
[#13]
so lumpy....what's the loctite for??? to keep your shoulder joint in place? heheh!
7/25/2002 8:06:09 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
So, Team Ferret, why the hell are they so expensive?  Is it just short supply/high demand = high prices?  I don't just mean your products, but .50's in general.  I can't believe the manufacturing costs are that much higher just because of the larger caliber.
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Considering what you are getting, prices for 50's are not that bad. The bigger the gun, the more material and macining needed= more money.

When you add up the cost of equipment, materials, tooling, etc....then figure in quality control and design considerations, the cost of manufacture really gets up there. The big name manufacturers wont touch 50BMG, so you get the smaller shops making these things.

In our shop, everyting is made here except the barrel. All materials are top quality with certs. Barrels are top quality. Each Ferret is test fired. And the Ferret is made per my design no matter if there is an easier/cheaper way. I am here (hands on) through every step of the manufacture.

In short, 50BMG rifles are expensive to manufacture.
7/25/2002 8:38:47 AM EDT
[#15]
so lumpy....what's the loctite for??? to keep your shoulder joint in place?
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The picture was taken the first time I took the Ferret out. This is my first 50 and I wasn't real sure of what to expect for recoil so I used the locktite to secure my teeth in place (so they wouldn't be rattled loose). [BD]
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actually.....it was for the scope rings [;)]

Edited to add that the recoil really isn't that bad.
7/25/2002 8:39:32 AM EDT
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So, Team Ferret, why the hell are they so expensive?  Is it just short supply/high demand = high prices?  I don't just mean your products, but .50's in general.  I can't believe the manufacturing costs are that much higher just because of the larger caliber.
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Considering what you are getting, prices for 50's are not that bad. The bigger the gun, the more material and macining needed= more money.

When you add up the cost of equipment, materials, tooling, etc....then figure in quality control and design considerations, the cost of manufacture really gets up there. The big name manufacturers wont touch 50BMG, so you get the smaller shops making these things.

In our shop, everyting is made here except the barrel. All materials are top quality with certs. Barrels are top quality. Each Ferret is test fired. And the Ferret is made per my design no matter if there is an easier/cheaper way. I am here (hands on) through every step of the manufacture.

In short, 50BMG rifles are expensive to manufacture.
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Exactly!!!

If you run your own business, you'll know/understand.  Now, a business in the firearms area will cost much more (hear me....INSURACE).  Liability Insurnace..... anything in manufacturing needs this.....

Okay, back to hiding [peep]
7/25/2002 9:57:26 AM EDT
[#17]
Beer Slayer....

My shooting page needs to be updated desperately but I have a MPEG there of my Ferret being fired. It should help give you an idea of the recoil (it really isnt that bad).

The video will take a while to download on a dial up connection. [url]http://www.geocities.com/shootist556/[/url]
7/25/2002 10:45:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Anything 50 is going to cost you.

Think of them as high priced whores.  Once you do that, you will understand.  They are $$$ to feed, to take care of, and they leave you sore at the end of the day, beggin for more too!! [BD]

I love my 50 cal.  (M99)  

It does have some stiff recoil. 12 GA is worse than a 50 cal.  More weight on a 50.

Still, I load up some sandbags behind the bi-pod. That helps a bit.

Its always a attention getter at the range at Bristol.  Brake knocks out the fillings of the people next to me.  
c-rock
7/25/2002 11:08:09 AM EDT
[#19]
hey lumpy- is it just me or in your video is that something falling off of the rifle? didnt look like you actually racked the bolt, but i couldnt tell...

TEAMFERRET: what is wait time on one of the ferret uppers right now? say, one of the 36" barreled uppers?
7/25/2002 11:16:24 AM EDT
[#20]
Hank, what you are seeing is a round, that was standing on end, that falls over when the shooter pulled the trigger.
7/25/2002 11:54:56 AM EDT
[#21]
Am I the only moron who read the title of the thread and thought it said [b]Ferarri F50 Problems?[/b]  Took me a minute to figure out what the hell everyone was talking about.  Oh well, wasn't the first time...won't be the last...
7/25/2002 4:31:09 PM EDT
[#22]
The wait time, as it stands right now is 8 to 12 weeks. The pic below is of the run about to go into boxes and out the door. We are well into the next run, parts will be going to the heat treaters in about 12 days. This next run will get us caught up to about mid July's orders.

[img]http://www.ferret50.com/graphics/ferret50_promo_pics/ready1.jpg[/img]
7/25/2002 4:49:30 PM EDT
[#23]
HEY DAVE!! I SEE MINE!! Bottom row second from left right????? YIPPEE!!!
7/26/2002 12:26:28 AM EDT
[#24]
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Hank, what you are seeing is a round, that was standing on end, that falls over when the shooter pulled the trigger.
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ah, excellent. i was sure that wasnt a part of the ferret, just wanted to make sure...

thanks, TF, saving my scheckles as we speak...
7/27/2002 3:22:55 PM EDT
[#25]
Hank, I'm sure Dave and Carla would gladly take your order with a small down. Delivery is probably 10-12 weeks out. I would advise this, as ferrets are becoming more popular as time goes on. Ever see a used one for sale? I haven't, that says something right there...
7/28/2002 6:48:10 AM EDT
[#26]
damn, lib, now you have me scheming... [}:D]

TEAMFERRET- saw the standard pricing on your website- does this include the scope rail and bipod? got scopes on board?
7/28/2002 7:28:51 AM EDT
[#27]
Hank......I can answer this one for ya. Yes, the scope rail and bipod are standard. I am not sure if there is an additional cost for the slanted rail but I know the flat rail is included as part of the package.
7/28/2002 1:23:13 PM EDT
[#28]
Hank- The Ferret50 comes complete with the scoperail, brake, bipod, hammer and takedown pins. All you need is a lower, scope, rings and ammo. There is no extra charge for your choice of scoperail; flat, 20, 30, or 60MOA.

We can take installments.

TF
7/28/2002 7:38:02 PM EDT
[#29]
so, lumpy, do you regularly get attacked by bears? [;D] thanks for the info!

thanks also, TEAMFERRET! do you have scopes available? if not, what do you recommend?

recommended lower?
7/30/2002 3:44:20 AM EDT
[#30]
We are a distributor for IOR-Valdada, they have a couple of scopes that will last on a 50. Also, swfa.com still has the Tasco Super Sniper scopes for $299. For the price they are a great scope, I have one on my Ferret.
7/30/2002 4:19:50 AM EDT
[#31]
My ferret shipped Monday, will have it Wednesday, will post photos.....
8/1/2002 4:31:59 AM EDT
[#32]
still waiting for those pics, lib...

pacing the floor...

are those DPMS single shot lowers worth anything on these?
8/1/2002 4:46:44 AM EDT
[#33]
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still waiting for those pics, lib...

pacing the floor...

are those DPMS single shot lowers worth anything on these?
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Here ya go hank. Just got it yesterday. That's a Bushmaster lower. If you are a member of FCSA, you get a discount. E-mail me if you want more info, or contact "Team Ferret"!

[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/liberty86%2FFerret9%2EJPG[/img]
8/1/2002 4:53:34 AM EDT
[#34]
I have never shot my short Ferret 50 upper, but I can report on my experience with it so far.  The unit is massive and appears well made.  I had ordered some ammunition for the thing while I waited for delivery, and the longer that big round sat on my desk by the computer the more apprehensive I became about shooting the Ferret when it arrived.  

Having actually now got the big gun and the big bullet together and see the massive construction of this upper, I am perfectly happy to try it out.  The delay is due to making arrangements for a place to shoot.  

As far as the ever-cheerful Dave, I had several phone calls and emails to him and found him responsive and a pleasure to work with.

Clearly, the proof is in the pulling of the trigger, but as I wait for the big day with the Ferret 50 I feel perfectly confident about the upper and its construction (and the company that produced it).