[ARCHIVED THREAD] - There will be a reckoning (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/30/2012 10:05:35 AM EDT
| I don't desire it, I don't want it, I just expect it. I can't see what with the WH has been doing, what the congress has been going along with, no budget, the world situation, won't prompt a drastic uprising of some sort. |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows.
It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. |
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There are places in the world right now where if you were magically implanted you'd assume the time has come. . . Syria, Mali, anything that ends with Stan. . .etc . . . most of Central Africa etc
But I digress. . . . The reckoning comes and goes, horrible things happen and the world keeps spinning. . .The U.S. degrading to a state of anarchy would be awful for us but it wouldn't mark the end of the world or a reckoning. As stated, buy guns, ammo, and surplus food |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? |
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Prepair for the worst, Hope for the best. Yes, a good "cover your ass" approach will serve you well. There's just too much over which we have no control. Control your own shit. That's all anyone can do. Tell me about it! Family who dont live with me and DONT PREPAIR but know you do. 
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? If your income keeps pace with inflation. I don't know anyone whose income has recently. |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? If your income keeps pace with inflation. I don't know anyone whose income has recently. i wonder how this really works? in hyper inflation, like the wermer republic, and zimbabwe, you see million dollar bills, and people paying for bread with 87 pounds of money in a wheelbarrow. ........ exactly where does all this extra money come from? i mean if your employer starts paying you with $87.000 dollars a week, because the dollar is worth .3 cents......... would your truck payment of $500.00 bucks, still be $500 OLD dollars? so, your $87,000 paycheck would pay all your bills off right? as long as they dont have a clause in the contract to adjust payments with inflation or something. i dont know, just wondering.... maybe we should ask ferfal how it worked in argentina. |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? If your income keeps pace with inflation. I don't know anyone whose income has recently. i wonder how this really works? in hyper inflation, like the wermer republic, and zimbabwe, you see million dollar bills, and people paying for bread with 87 pounds of money in a wheelbarrow. ........ exactly where does all this extra money come from? i mean if your employer starts paying you with $87.000 dollars a week, because the dollar is worth .3 cents......... would your truck payment of $500.00 bucks, still be $500 OLD dollars? so, your $87,000 paycheck would pay all your bills off right? as long as they dont have a clause in the contract to adjust payments with inflation or something. i dont know, just wondering.... maybe we should ask ferfal how it worked in argentina. The problem with hyper inflation, and why it is so bad, is your pay does not go up. You continue to make the same wage you made before the hyper inflation, however, it now takes you a year to save up to buy a loaf of bread. That is why it is so bad. |
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The problem with hyper inflation, and why it is so bad, is your pay does not go up. You continue to make the same wage you made before the hyper inflation, however, it now takes you a year to save up to buy a loaf of bread. That is why it is so bad. Yep, but on the upside, you can quit and McDonald's will be hiring for $800/hour. 
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. Although I couldn't do this, I've often thought that maximizing debt in this environment makes more sense. For one, dollars are cheap now, and these historically low borrowing costs can be locked in long term for the moment. For two, if things really implode, and the banking system collapses, debtors might be the ones who make big. The hold back, at least for me, is the ethical problem in knowingly borrowing money with the intent to not repay it. Despite what Obama tells people, debt written off by the banks is wealth destroyed. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You forgot to mention Syria's rebel forces.......... 
Oh, and it is not a dream, not even desired, it is something I fear. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. |
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In 2012, federal debt is expected to rise 10%. GDP is expected to be 2% or less.
The so called debt ceiling of $16.394 Trillion approved last year will be breached some time late this year. Another debt ceiling debacle is headed our way soon. The automatic cuts agreed upon last time are already being considered to be kicked down the road, as the cuts go too far for the economy to support. They can't even hold themselves to stuff they voted to do. How this ends well is beyond me. For the numbers guys, the gov't spends: ~$4.8 Billion per day ~$200 Million every hour ~$3.33 Million every minute ~$56000 every second ~$56 every millisecond |
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In 2012, federal debt is expected to rise 10%. GDP is expected to be 2% or less. The so called debt ceiling of $16.394 Trillion approved last year will be breached some time late this year. Another debt ceiling debacle is headed our way soon. The automatic cuts agreed upon last time are already being considered to be kicked down the road, as the cuts go too far for the economy to support. They can't even hold themselves to stuff they voted to do. How this ends well is beyond me. Don't know about anyone else, it scares the shit out of me. |
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Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. If an enchanted reset switch existed and Washington would mystically be emptied of politicians, it would not take long for the "entitled" lazy masses to vote in more of the same... 
The revolution did not start on April 19th, 1775, it started in the hearts and minds of the colonists. The revolutionary war would have been a failed endeavor if it were not for the spirit of the revolution. The revolution is still going on today but we need to wake more Americans up and get them to join in. It is only the lazy who sit on their asses and simply advocate the ammo box. We suck at mobilization. When the shit hit the fan back in the day, thousands of militia would mobilize. I can't even get 30 people to show up for a city council meeting or a public hearing regarding 2A legislation. We need more true patriots to utilize the soapbox, the ballot box and the jury box.... That is how we get our country back.... |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? If your income keeps pace with inflation. I don't know anyone whose income has recently. i wonder how this really works? in hyper inflation, like the wermer republic, and zimbabwe, you see million dollar bills, and people paying for bread with 87 pounds of money in a wheelbarrow. ........ exactly where does all this extra money come from? i mean if your employer starts paying you with $87.000 dollars a week, because the dollar is worth .3 cents......... would your truck payment of $500.00 bucks, still be $500 OLD dollars? so, your $87,000 paycheck would pay all your bills off right? as long as they dont have a clause in the contract to adjust payments with inflation or something. i dont know, just wondering.... maybe we should ask ferfal how it worked in argentina. The problem with hyper inflation, and why it is so bad, is your pay does not go up. You continue to make the same wage you made before the hyper inflation, however, it now takes you a year to save up to buy a loaf of bread. That is why it is so bad. That's what I see happening. Wages will not keep pace and your real buying power will be cut sharply. I could also see law written to allow banks to revalue loans if wages did for some reason spike. Too big to fail and all.... |
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Do you think there are enough people in the U.S. that would have the balls to do anything?
With that said I will be in my Man Cave counting my ammo Thirst and hunger are powerful motivators, and there would be plenty of both. Go without eating for just one day, and see what it does to your psyche. Americans aren't used to the feeling, and their reactions would be extreme. 
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In 2012, federal debt is expected to rise 10%. GDP is expected to be 2% or less. The so called debt ceiling of $16.394 Trillion approved last year will be breached some time late this year. Another debt ceiling debacle is headed our way soon. The automatic cuts agreed upon last time are already being considered to be kicked down the road, as the cuts go too far for the economy to support. They can't even hold themselves to stuff they voted to do. How this ends well is beyond me. Don't know about anyone else, it scares the shit out of me. The debt won't be paid off. We will either default on the debt(unlikely) or completely destroy the dollar(happening right now). I would be scared if I was 55-65 years old, solidly middle class, and had a nice fat pension coming my way. Those people are going to get fucked in the ass. Gen X might have enough time to ride the storm out and rebuild. |
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In 2012, federal debt is expected to rise 10%. GDP is expected to be 2% or less. The so called debt ceiling of $16.394 Trillion approved last year will be breached some time late this year. Another debt ceiling debacle is headed our way soon. The automatic cuts agreed upon last time are already being considered to be kicked down the road, as the cuts go too far for the economy to support. They can't even hold themselves to stuff they voted to do. How this ends well is beyond me. Don't know about anyone else, it scares the shit out of me. The debt won't be paid off. We will either default on the debt(unlikely) or completely destroy the dollar(happening right now). I would be scared if I was 55-65 years old, solidly middle class, and had a nice fat pension coming my way. Those people are going to get fucked in the ass. Gen X might have enough time to ride the storm out and rebuild. regretfully you just desribed me. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. They also weren't fighting armored vehicles and gunships and predators. I don't have the capability to fight that do you? Night time ops go out the window unless you like meeting mr thermal and 30mm courtesy of the beautiful ah64. There is a point at which fighting will do not a single thing except for causing your and your families expedient death. If you really want to stop an insurgency you start killing 10 or 20 civillians for every soldier killed. The people will not like getting killed for no reason and will do whatever they need to do to get the killing stopped primarily narcing on members of the insurgency. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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What will happen, if when the economy crashes, the takers continue to maintain their life style on the guvment dime while the producers, are suffering and losing their savings inorder to pay for the takers life style? What would happen then? Cease or move operations and or stop working and get on the dole Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I don't see much in the way of rainbows and unicorns coming our way. I am keeping it simple in preparing for the future....Pay down debt ASAFP, have adequate stores of food, water, and muntions to see things through for a few weeks maybe a few months as the budget allows. Given everything going on I would say a well stocked pantry and having very little, if any debt are the best things to do and back fill with guns and ammo as budget allows. It's going to be a very long and painful decent. New normals will be established from time to time on the way down. Some of the European contries are farther down the pike than we are and I plan to watch them with great interest to better prepare for what we will see here. Not much being reported out of Greece lately, but that to me seems like a pretty good indication of how things may go down here. I am just waiting on the next round. I never really got the whole paying down debt thing as a prep for real SHTF. It's smart in general, and if we have a financial crisis where we lose our jobs it will be good to not have too many debs, but if everything really falls apart I don't see how debt would still be relevant. I was about to say the same thing. I mean, if you get a bit of hyper inflation, you could pay off all of your debt for about the price of a loaf of bread, right? If your income keeps pace with inflation. I don't know anyone whose income has recently. i wonder how this really works? in hyper inflation, like the wermer republic, and zimbabwe, you see million dollar bills, and people paying for bread with 87 pounds of money in a wheelbarrow. ........ exactly where does all this extra money come from? i mean if your employer starts paying you with $87.000 dollars a week, because the dollar is worth .3 cents......... would your truck payment of $500.00 bucks, still be $500 OLD dollars? so, your $87,000 paycheck would pay all your bills off right? as long as they dont have a clause in the contract to adjust payments with inflation or something. i dont know, just wondering.... maybe we should ask ferfal how it worked in argentina. The problem with hyper inflation, and why it is so bad, is your pay does not go up. You continue to make the same wage you made before the hyper inflation, however, it now takes you a year to save up to buy a loaf of bread. That is why it is so bad. This is why you're supposed to buy gold now. 
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Last I heard, the US military was or had left Iraq, and had plans on leaving AFG. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Last I heard, the US military was or had left Iraq, and had plans on leaving AFG. As a result of political pressures. In no way shape or form as a result of any kind of a military defeat. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yup. Your ar15 ain't going to do shit to an m1 Abrams. Anyone that thinks otherwise is dilousional. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. They also weren't fighting armored vehicles and gunships and predators. I don't have the capability to fight that do you? Night time ops go out the window unless you like meeting mr thermal and 30mm courtesy of the beautiful ah64. There is a point at which fighting will do not a single thing except for causing your and your families expedient death. If you really want to stop an insurgency you start killing 10 or 20 civillians for every soldier killed. The people will not like getting killed for no reason and will do whatever they need to do to get the killing stopped primarily narcing on members of the insurgency. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile By your logic, every revolution should fail and be crushed without exception. And yet that doesn't seem to happen. Check tonight's news from Syria. If we adopt your thinking, there will be no freedoms left. The battle will have been lost before it even starts. People like you did not fight the first American Revolution, and clearly you won't be fighting the next one. 
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. They also weren't fighting armored vehicles and gunships and predators. I don't have the capability to fight that do you? Night time ops go out the window unless you like meeting mr thermal and 30mm courtesy of the beautiful ah64. There is a point at which fighting will do not a single thing except for causing your and your families expedient death. If you really want to stop an insurgency you start killing 10 or 20 civillians for every soldier killed. The people will not like getting killed for no reason and will do whatever they need to do to get the killing stopped primarily narcing on members of the insurgency. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile By your logic, every revolution should fail and be crushed without exception. And yet that doesn't seem to happen. Check tonight's news from Syria. If we adopt your thinking, there will be no freedoms left. The battle will have been lost before it even starts. People like you did not fight the first American Revolution, and clearly you won't be fighting the next one.
The syrian mil isn't anywhere near as advanced as ours in both tactics and equipment.every revolution I've studied has a similar technology comparison. There has been no comparison to. Todays technological advancement in any revolution. The insurgent capabilities have remained about the same but the military tech has greatly advanced. Id rather stay to protect my family and fight another day. But if you would rather go down guns blazing that's fine I guuess. Just ask your self if you can afford to have tens of civillians killed as a result of one single kill. In a real revolution that is what would happen. Come up with a plan for dealing with thermal visoned apaches armed uavs and armor and I may alter my opinion.hint it doesn't involve anything of the 223 or 30 cal flavor. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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The syrian mil isn't anywhere near as advanced as ours in both tactics and equipment.every revolution I've studied has a similar technology comparison. There has been no comparison to. Todays technological advancement in any revolution. The insurgent capabilities have remained about the same but the military tech has greatly advanced. Id rather stay to protect my family and fight another day. But if you would rather go down guns blazing that's fine I guuess. Just ask your self if you can afford to have tens of civillians killed as a result of one single kill. In a real revolution that is what would happen. Come up with a plan for dealing with thermal visoned apaches armed uavs and armor and I may alter my opinion.hint it doesn't involve anything of the 223 or 30 cal flavor. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What's your take on collaboration when the time comes? Is it cowardly? Or is it just darn good horse sense? |
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It depends. If there are no roe for the military and they decide to smoke 30 of my friends and family for every soldier killed it is stupid to think you can win doing that. I'm not gonna freely go out and narc. I want to hear a solid plan for getting away from thermal and uavs apaches and armor. Second in a real revolution there will be no safe haven bs like we use on the terrorists.you collaborate or atleast act peaceful waving their flag etc then when it quiets down and the rookies are brought in you make your move. Certainly not this bs I'm gonna stop the assault here at my town 111 bs. In a real revolution the mil doesn't play they use everything and kill anything to get their point across. Us soldiers didn't fuck around when they clecided. To clear rooms with bazookas or instead of dealing with traps and germans. Expect more along those lines in a real situation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. They also weren't fighting armored vehicles and gunships and predators. I don't have the capability to fight that do you? Night time ops go out the window unless you like meeting mr thermal and 30mm courtesy of the beautiful ah64. There is a point at which fighting will do not a single thing except for causing your and your families expedient death. If you really want to stop an insurgency you start killing 10 or 20 civillians for every soldier killed. The people will not like getting killed for no reason and will do whatever they need to do to get the killing stopped primarily narcing on members of the insurgency. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile By your logic, every revolution should fail and be crushed without exception. And yet that doesn't seem to happen. Check tonight's news from Syria. If we adopt your thinking, there will be no freedoms left. The battle will have been lost before it even starts. People like you did not fight the first American Revolution, and clearly you won't be fighting the next one.
The syrian mil isn't anywhere near as advanced as ours in both tactics and equipment.every revolution I've studied has a similar technology comparison. There has been no comparison to. Todays technological advancement in any revolution. The insurgent capabilities have remained about the same but the military tech has greatly advanced. Id rather stay to protect my family and fight another day. But if you would rather go down guns blazing that's fine I guuess. Just ask your self if you can afford to have tens of civillians killed as a result of one single kill. In a real revolution that is what would happen. Come up with a plan for dealing with thermal visoned apaches armed uavs and armor and I may alter my opinion.hint it doesn't involve anything of the 223 or 30 cal flavor. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile With your logic, there won't be another day to fight. How's all of that vaunted technology working in Afghanistan? How did it work in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Technology has limitations, including politics. And anyone who enters into a revolution with the intent to minimize casualties isn't ready to fight a revolution. |
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Lol its not gonna happen I've said this several times. Sure its possible in small locations. Those will be dealt with effectively. The vast majority of people will not do anything to risk death. Guns will be turned in and rules followed. Constitutional rights will be restricted and ran through the courts. This dream of an some type of magical violent confrontation that will solve things is foolish. Its really hard to fight armored rigs and thermal uavs or choppers. Just ask al qaida and the taliban. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Majority, maybe. But not unanimous. Some people will choose to fight - and die, if necessary - than to live in slavery. The American Revolution was certainly not a unanimous rebellion against the crown. They also weren't fighting armored vehicles and gunships and predators. I don't have the capability to fight that do you? Night time ops go out the window unless you like meeting mr thermal and 30mm courtesy of the beautiful ah64. There is a point at which fighting will do not a single thing except for causing your and your families expedient death. If you really want to stop an insurgency you start killing 10 or 20 civillians for every soldier killed. The people will not like getting killed for no reason and will do whatever they need to do to get the killing stopped primarily narcing on members of the insurgency. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile By your logic, every revolution should fail and be crushed without exception. And yet that doesn't seem to happen. Check tonight's news from Syria. If we adopt your thinking, there will be no freedoms left. The battle will have been lost before it even starts. People like you did not fight the first American Revolution, and clearly you won't be fighting the next one.
The syrian mil isn't anywhere near as advanced as ours in both tactics and equipment.every revolution I've studied has a similar technology comparison. There has been no comparison to. Todays technological advancement in any revolution. The insurgent capabilities have remained about the same but the military tech has greatly advanced. Id rather stay to protect my family and fight another day. But if you would rather go down guns blazing that's fine I guuess. Just ask your self if you can afford to have tens of civillians killed as a result of one single kill. In a real revolution that is what would happen. Come up with a plan for dealing with thermal visoned apaches armed uavs and armor and I may alter my opinion.hint it doesn't involve anything of the 223 or 30 cal flavor. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile With your logic, there won't be another day to fight. How's all of that vaunted technology working in Afghanistan? How did it work in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Technology has limitations, including politics. And anyone who enters into a revolution with the intent to minimize casualties isn't ready to fight a revolution. Hell, how is it working in Syria? |