[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Quickclot? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/26/2012 7:08:07 AM EDT
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Has anybody used this or kept it for first aid?
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The original quickclot caused burns to the wound area and couldn't be used on people with a shellfish alergy (unless you had eppy pens handy)..
I have been told that both issues have been corrected in the newrish quickclot products. I forgot to add, that even considering the above I always carried it when on patrol. It really is a good product. |
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Iv always been curious about the stuff.
From what i understand it works great for lacerations mostly. Cases where its a flesh wound and there is little damage to any muscle organs or other underlying tissue. Is that correct? Meaning no good for any kind of puncture wound or any arterial bleeding. Is that correct? Is it a temporary solution? meaning after application should wounds still be sutured? |
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I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... suffocating from a constricted airway isn't much better than bleeding out |
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Quoted: Iv always been curious about the stuff. From what i understand it works great for lacerations mostly. Cases where its a flesh wound and there is little damage to any muscle organs or other underlying tissue. Is that correct? Meaning no good for any kind of puncture wound or any arterial bleeding. Is that correct? Is it a temporary solution? meaning after application should wounds still be sutured? It apparently doesn't work for severing of limbs at the hip joint  |
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Yikes! Believe the graphic tag! |
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$20 says that's an 18D training vid. |
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QuikClot is not magic. You don't dump it on / pack it in, and the person gets up and keeps on going. It works by causing the blood to clot. The same can be accomplished with pressure to stop the bleeding. The main purpose of all of these products is to stop bleeding that is difficult to stop or to speed up the process. With proper technique, the same can be accomplished with pressure and dressings. I definitely would NOT use any of the granulated products. Period. These are the ones you tear open the package and dump it in / on. They cause more problems than they're worth. Use pressure and a dressing. The newer products whether they be impregnated gauze or sponges work well but without proper knowledge or training, they're not going to work. I wouldn't use it for a flesh wound unless some superficial artery were nicked and I was completely clueless about first aid or the person had a clotting disorder. It might come in handy then. For harder to control bleeding, I'd use it if warranted, but again, proper training of how to use it is required. |
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Good chance. Not sure who else trains on live animals...usually goats, though  Unless the guys at Sam Houston are as well... |
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Friend of mine has a business relationship with the folks who make this product and he arranged for a trainer
to come to our gun club and do some abbreviated training for some of our members. I had a conflict and only managed to catch the last hour or so but take my word for it that this is some amazing product! Some wounds and injures are not survivable but this product can be very useful in giving the casualty the best chance possible. Has some great results in self treatment also. Absolutely not a gimmick Edit- as with all first aid/rescue techniques training is a key part of the response to get the best results |
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QuikClot is not magic. You don't dump it on / pack it in, and the person gets up and keeps on going. It works by causing the blood to clot. The same can be accomplished with pressure to stop the bleeding. The main purpose of all of these products is to stop bleeding that is difficult to stop or to speed up the process. With proper technique, the same can be accomplished with pressure and dressings. I definitely would NOT use any of the granulated products. Period. These are the ones you tear open the package and dump it in / on. They cause more problems than they're worth. Use pressure and a dressing. The newer products whether they be impregnated gauze or sponges work well but without proper knowledge or training, they're not going to work. I wouldn't use it for a flesh wound unless some superficial artery were nicked and I was completely clueless about first aid or the person had a clotting disorder. It might come in handy then. For harder to control bleeding, I'd use it if warranted, but again, proper training of how to use it is required. The only Quickclot folks should be using is the gauze. It is also used as a last resort when a dressing and pressure are not working. |
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I thought Quickclot had fallen out of favour due to the bad burns associated with its use? As opposed to chitin based products like woundstat or celox? I have a few Celox bandages and powder packs in my bag. Only the loose stuff, the pads are the replacement and it works on arterial bleeding as long as you pack in a bunch, apply pressure, tourniquets and everything else you're trained to do. It's good stuff! |
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QuikClot is not magic. You don't dump it on / pack it in, and the person gets up and keeps on going. It works by causing the blood to clot. The same can be accomplished with pressure to stop the bleeding. The main purpose of all of these products is to stop bleeding that is difficult to stop or to speed up the process. With proper technique, the same can be accomplished with pressure and dressings. I definitely would NOT use any of the granulated products. Period. These are the ones you tear open the package and dump it in / on. They cause more problems than they're worth. Use pressure and a dressing. The newer products whether they be impregnated gauze or sponges work well but without proper knowledge or training, they're not going to work. I wouldn't use it for a flesh wound unless some superficial artery were nicked and I was completely clueless about first aid or the person had a clotting disorder. It might come in handy then. For harder to control bleeding, I'd use it if warranted, but again, proper training of how to use it is required. The only Quickclot folks should be using is the gauze. It is also used as a last resort when a dressing and pressure are not working. Is the "sport" stuff gauze? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: QuikClot is not magic. You don't dump it on / pack it in, and the person gets up and keeps on going. It works by causing the blood to clot. The same can be accomplished with pressure to stop the bleeding. The main purpose of all of these products is to stop bleeding that is difficult to stop or to speed up the process. With proper technique, the same can be accomplished with pressure and dressings. I definitely would NOT use any of the granulated products. Period. These are the ones you tear open the package and dump it in / on. They cause more problems than they're worth. Use pressure and a dressing. The newer products whether they be impregnated gauze or sponges work well but without proper knowledge or training, they're not going to work. I wouldn't use it for a flesh wound unless some superficial artery were nicked and I was completely clueless about first aid or the person had a clotting disorder. It might come in handy then. For harder to control bleeding, I'd use it if warranted, but again, proper training of how to use it is required. The only Quickclot folks should be using is the gauze. It is also used as a last resort when a dressing and pressure are not working. Is the "sport" stuff gauze? No. It is a pouch that contains the granules. I'd best describe it as a stopgap between loose granules and impregnated gauze. Its biggest downfall is that it can't be packed into a wound very well so it would have a limited use. It will induce clotting but my worry would be, say, if you had a would channel from a bullet. You'd push the satchel in the wound and it would clot around it but would not stop the bleeding deeper in the wound as well as packing would. The pressure behind the superficial clot could cause it to fail. This is why gauze would work better. I think the sport stuff is more marketing than anything. Sure, it will stop bleeding, but so will proper first aid. Say you fall and bust a knee open. You can see bone and it is bleeding. Most people freak out and think the person is going to bleed to death. They throw a QuikClot on it and think all will be fine. QuikClot stops the bleeding. In this case, so would pressure and appropriate dressing. It would probably work well for people who have no first aid training and is a comfort blanket for a lot of people who don't want to get training. Soccer moms come to mind. |
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I do want to say one more thing. I'm not saying that QuikClot doesn't serve a purpose in a household first aid kit. Say someone in your family has heart disease and takes aspirin and / or Plavix. They have a reduced ability to clot. If you're a significant distance from medical intervention (hiking a significant distance from civilization, etc.), it would be good to have it. What I am saying is that I wouldn't waste a $15-30 pad on a scrape or minor wound. Bleeding stops with pressure and dressing most of the time. In my mind, it serves a narrow spectrum between bandaid wounds and moderate injuries to those requiring packing and surgical intervention. |
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salesmen are good at their job. I also would not use a granulated product, simple pressure is all you need. Quoted: Friend of mine has a business relationship with the folks who make this product and he arranged for a trainer to come to our gun club and do some abbreviated training for some of our members. I had a conflict and only managed to catch the last hour or so but take my word for it that this is some amazing product! Some wounds and injures are not survivable but this product can be very useful in giving the casualty the best chance possible. Has some great results in self treatment also. Absolutely not a gimmick Edit- as with all first aid/rescue techniques training is a key part of the response to get the best results |
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I do want to say one more thing. I'm not saying that QuikClot doesn't serve a purpose in a household first aid kit. Say someone in your family has heart disease and takes aspirin and / or Plavix. They have a reduced ability to clot. If you're a significant distance from medical intervention (hiking a significant distance from civilization, etc.), it would be good to have it. What I am saying is that I wouldn't waste a $15-30 pad on a scrape or minor wound. Bleeding stops with pressure and dressing most of the time. In my mind, it serves a narrow spectrum between bandaid wounds and moderate injuries to those requiring packing and surgical intervention. Gotcha. I figured this would be for serious wounds miles away from the hospital. |
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$20 says that's an 18D training vid. Good chance. Not sure who else trains on live animals...usually goats, though
Unless the guys at Sam Houston are as well... Most Army medics get the chance to train with live tissue. |
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Quoted: I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... http://www.naemt.org/education/PHTLS/TCCC/guidelines_curriculum.aspx Watch the Combat Gauze video. Then you will have. Actually, if you have trauma gear, you NEED to at least get a familiarity with trauma care.
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Quoted: Quoted: Good chance. Not sure who else trains on live animals...usually goats, though Unless the guys at Sam Houston are as well... Most Army medics get the chance to train with live tissue. Yep, it's just not advertised much because "OMG IT'S INHUMANE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THAT PIG/GOAT!!!!" |
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$20 says that's an 18D training vid. Good chance. Not sure who else trains on live animals...usually goats, though
Unless the guys at Sam Houston are as well... Most Army medics get the chance to train with live tissue. Yep, it's just not advertised much because "OMG IT'S INHUMANE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THAT PIG/GOAT!!!!" Oh I know. I participated in one a time or two. Even had some PETA protestors at the gate when it leaked |
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We switched over to HEMCON instead. WTF is HEMCON? We still have Combat Gauze and some reg Quikclot This. My IFAK only has combat gauze http://www.hemcon.com/Products.aspx |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We switched over to HEMCON instead. WTF is HEMCON? We still have Combat Gauze and some reg Quikclot This. My IFAK only has combat gauze http://www.hemcon.com/Products.aspx That's the one. http://www.hemcon.com/Products/HemConBandageOverview/HemConBandage4x4.aspx |
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really good stuff... BUT....
in all my years of ems back in the day i don't ever remember a bleeder we could not control with direct pressure dressings and pressure points/tourniquets. and i have seen some REALLLLLY bad ones. i think it's a great tool but i also think it's becoming one of those things people think is a miracle cure for bleeders and causing them to back off or forget about the basics of bleeding control. |
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I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... This is a video of the Quikclot Z-fold. A lot of places require a military ID to purchase but there are plenty of places that allow you to check a box saying, "it's for military purposes." I've found that the a lot of the places that don't require an ID, have a sooner approaching expiration date than do the official retailers that require ID. I have never used either the store bought or Z-fold (thankfully) but I have both the Z-fold and Celox gauze in my bags. For your pleasure, a live pig being used to test the Z-fold Quikclot. ]**GRAPHIC WARNING** 
EDIT: Sorry, posted the wrong video. The right one with the Z-fold is now up. |
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Quoted: Cool. Guess I never asked my medic about that...whatever they do in their training works, so if they're killing a few pigs/goats to give themselves a better chance to bring guys home...so be it. Quoted: Quoted: Good chance. Not sure who else trains on live animals...usually goats, though Unless the guys at Sam Houston are as well... Most Army medics get the chance to train with live tissue. Yep, it's just not advertised much because "OMG IT'S INHUMANE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THAT PIG/GOAT!!!!" |
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I do want to say one more thing. I'm not saying that QuikClot doesn't serve a purpose in a household first aid kit. Say someone in your family has heart disease and takes aspirin and / or Plavix. They have a reduced ability to clot. If you're a significant distance from medical intervention (hiking a significant distance from civilization, etc.), it would be good to have it. What I am saying is that I wouldn't waste a $15-30 pad on a scrape or minor wound. Bleeding stops with pressure and dressing most of the time. In my mind, it serves a narrow spectrum between bandaid wounds and moderate injuries to those requiring packing and surgical intervention. I have only a very rudimentary knowledge but I agree. I'm just thinking back to my med school days when traumas came in. It sounds like a great stop-gap measure if pressure is not working but if you are not at or near a Level 1 trauma center then you are in serious trouble.  I need to get a good first aid kit together.
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I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... This is a video of the Quikclot Z-fold. A lot of places require a military ID to purchase but there are plenty of places that allow you to check a box saying, "it's for military purposes." I've found that the a lot of the places that don't require an ID, have a sooner approaching expiration date than do the official retailers that require ID. I have never used either the store bought or Z-fold (thankfully) but I have both the Z-fold and Celox gauze in my bags. For your pleasure, a live pig being used to test the Z-fold Quikclot. ]**GRAPHIC WARNING**  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SktWh8rcqaQ&feature=related
EDIT: Sorry, posted the wrong video. The right one with the Z-fold is now up. I'm a Veterinarian and could post some pics that would make your stomach crawl - good stuff. While I haven't personally used Quikclot or Celox, it do carry some in my blowout bag along with some other really good stuff. I just had my German Shepherd run through a barbed wire fence last weekend and he kept going. It was 10-15 minutes before I realized he had "split" himself open. I used 58 staples in the field to get him closed up and he didn't even flinch. I will say that if you guys wanted something to put in your blowout bag - a good set of disposable staplers would be a good idea. Compared to sutures, it's quick and relatively painless - and most important - even a novice can use them effectively ... Good luck!! |
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I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... This is a video of the Quikclot Z-fold. A lot of places require a military ID to purchase but there are plenty of places that allow you to check a box saying, "it's for military purposes." I've found that the a lot of the places that don't require an ID, have a sooner approaching expiration date than do the official retailers that require ID. I have never used either the store bought or Z-fold (thankfully) but I have both the Z-fold and Celox gauze in my bags. For your pleasure, a live pig being used to test the Z-fold Quikclot. ]**GRAPHIC WARNING** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SktWh8rcqaQ&feature=related
EDIT: Sorry, posted the wrong video. The right one with the Z-fold is now up. I'm a Veterinarian and could post some pics that would make your stomach crawl - good stuff. While I haven't personally used Quikclot or Celox, it do carry some in my blowout bag along with some other really good stuff. I just had my German Shepherd run through a barbed wire fence last weekend and he kept going. It was 10-15 minutes before I realized he had "split" himself open. I used 58 staples in the field to get him closed up and he didn't even flinch. I will say that if you guys wanted something to put in your blowout bag - a good set of disposable staplers would be a good idea. Compared to sutures, it's quick and relatively painless - and most important - even a novice can use them effectively ... Good luck!! What do you use? I thought that you would need some kind of licensing to order it but found this link: http://www.cabelas.com/aid-water-purification-adventure-medical-kits-disposable-body-stapler-kit-1.shtml I've seen it used on people. |
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I have 2-packs in my BOB and first aid kit. Admittedly, though I have never seen it used before. Should the need arise I imagine a shellfish allergy would be the least of the worries...... This is a video of the Quikclot Z-fold. A lot of places require a military ID to purchase but there are plenty of places that allow you to check a box saying, "it's for military purposes." I've found that the a lot of the places that don't require an ID, have a sooner approaching expiration date than do the official retailers that require ID. I have never used either the store bought or Z-fold (thankfully) but I have both the Z-fold and Celox gauze in my bags. For your pleasure, a live pig being used to test the Z-fold Quikclot. ]**GRAPHIC WARNING** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SktWh8rcqaQ&feature=related
EDIT: Sorry, posted the wrong video. The right one with the Z-fold is now up. I'm a Veterinarian and could post some pics that would make your stomach crawl - good stuff. While I haven't personally used Quikclot or Celox, it do carry some in my blowout bag along with some other really good stuff. I just had my German Shepherd run through a barbed wire fence last weekend and he kept going. It was 10-15 minutes before I realized he had "split" himself open. I used 58 staples in the field to get him closed up and he didn't even flinch. I will say that if you guys wanted something to put in your blowout bag - a good set of disposable staplers would be a good idea. Compared to sutures, it's quick and relatively painless - and most important - even a novice can use them effectively ... Good luck!! I did just that. I have sutures and local anesthetic but I bought a disposable veterinary staple gun. Then, my dumbass cut through the packaging with my knife as I was opening the box it was shipped in. So it was no longer sterile before I even saw it. It's a paper-cut-thin opening but it's a good inch long. I didn't toss it but I'm still pissed that I did that. My little sister wants to be a vet and is in college working on it now. She's currently working as a tech at a vet clinic and likes to send pictures every once in awhile. The last one was a tail amputation for a dog that had "happy tail." I had never heard of it before, but apparently it would wag its tail so furiously that it had all sorts of trauma from slamming against walls and stuff. So they amputated to keep it from continuing to hurt itself and getting infected. |
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What do you use? I thought that you would need some kind of licensing to order it but found this link: http://www.cabelas.com/aid-water-purification-adventure-medical-kits-disposable-body-stapler-kit-1.shtml I've seen it used on people. This is the one that I got and ruined I just wish the packaging was a little different. It's in square plastic packaging with a paper backing. The square plastic doesn't make the stapler very compact to pack in a bag. Whenever I get around to ordering a new one, I might look for something in a different package. Other than that, it seems decent. ETA: As I type this, the Mrs. just told me that she has a ton of them at work. Guess I don't have to order another one now. Since you were the one who brought it up and triggered the chain reaction to her letting me know she can get them, send me a PM and I'll send you one when she picks them up on Monday. |