[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I hate war (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 7/13/2012 9:50:33 AM EDT
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I hate very few things in life with the exception of war and violence by one person against another. Don't get me wrong, there are just and righteous reasons to go to war and use violence on behalf of those whom need protection; but I hate the fact that Humans resort to even making it necessary to use force to defend against violence. I guess I actually do hate more than just war and violence perpetrated by mankind, I hate Humans in general. A rather worthless lot as a whole, blessed by nature or Providence with a bountiful planet to call home and gifted with the ability to reason and create; yet we ceaselessly go forth and destroy what others have created, enslave those weaker than us and for the most part treat each other like shit. Honestly I'm surprised God (if one is so inclined to believe in such things) hasn't hurled a large comet or blasted a gamma ray burst at us to clean up the mess we have turned out to be. I once asked; if you could experience the emotions of every Human being on this planet for a single instant all at once, would it be a positive joyful and love filled instant or a anguish and suffering pain filled instant? What would the entire Human experience over the course of history and prehistory be, positive or negative? Will Humans ever evolve beyond our violent nature before we destroy ourselves? |
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You might as well hate carbon. War is. Period. Will it always be? It wasn't too long ago that war, and mortal challenge in general, were seen as pinnacles of human achievement. Think of Sparta, or when men dueled over affairs of honor. Although I don't care rampant killing, the notion that peace is the inevitable outcome of human evolution is theory and not fact. Many of the more successful products of evolution are very efficient killers. |
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Quoted: I hate very few things in life with the exception of war and violence by one person against another. Don't get me wrong, there are just and righteous reasons to go to war and use violence on behalf of those whom need protection; but I hate the fact that Humans resort to even making it necessary to use force to defend against violence. I guess I actually do hate more than just war and violence perpetrated by mankind, I hate Humans in general. A rather worthless lot as a whole, blessed by nature or Providence with a bountiful planet to call home and gifted with the ability to reason and create; yet we ceaselessly go forth and destroy what others have created, enslave those weaker than us and for the most part treat each other like shit. Honestly I'm surprised God (if one is so inclined to believe in such things) hasn't hurled a large comet or blasted a gamma ray burst at us to clean up the mess we have turned out to be. I once asked; if you could experience the emotions of every Human being on this planet for a single instant all at once, would it be a positive joyful and love filled instant or a anguish and suffering pain filled instant? What would the entire Human experience over the course of history and prehistory be, positive or negative? Will Humans ever evolve beyond our violent nature before we destroy ourselves? Interesting conflict... Unfortunately for all the poets out there, conflict will always be with us. The only time it will ever be gone, is when there's nothing left to fight about. I'm not sure I want to be a part of that either... |
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I think that there is more war than is necessary because it's played with.
Extrapolate it down to an individual level. There are people who fight for fun or pecking order or to get their way or to steal. Then there are people who avoid violence at all cost and therefore feel (and are) justified to go "nuclear" or, in other words, use the ultimate in self defense. Tony Blauer puts it best (and I'm paraphrasing) when he talks about the difference in the ways people fight. Some folks (metaphorically) start tossing stones. They get bigger and bigger stones and throw them harder and harder, hoping that the other person will stop. Other people have a big fucking pallet of bricks, held up by a crane and, if you throw a stone at them, after they've asked you not to, they drop the entire pallet on your head....all at once. How many wars do you think the US would have been in, after the invention of nukes, if....We kept our nose out of other people's affairs and as soon as someone fucked with us, we fry them. Full on, all out, get it over with fry 'em.? We have fought every war, after WW2, by standing there throwing larger and larger stones, hoping the other person (country) would back down. It's brought us nothing but shit holes around the world which supply us with our boys coming home in bags. War/combat/fighting is to be avoided at almost all cost so that, when it's necessary, it's handled with the full extent of your ability to stop the attacker as soon as possible with as little harm to you as possible. |
| It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way is was and will be. That way and not some other way. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian. |
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A buddy of mine had something to say about that.
War Is Groovy I have a psychedelic pink paisley button he made with that motto on my jacket. |
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You might as well hate carbon. War is. Period. Will it always be? Yes. As long as their is scarcity, there will be competition for the right to use resources. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is the rules that govern this universe that create the things you hate. |
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How many wars have been started because of religion? Oh, that's right....all of them...  I've thought about this a lot. One can only wonder how many humans have been killed in the name of religion.  I always thought wars were fought for natural resources and realestate. But you are saying it is GODs fault? |
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You might as well hate carbon. War is. Period. Will it always be? As long as Muslims have a pulse. I'm no fan of the Islam, but I'm sure that if Islam was to go away we would find something else to fight about. Yes that is very true. It definitely would help/improve things though. 9/11 
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There is no greater evil than war, IMHO. If we want to survive as species and spread beyond this one endangered world of ours we must first eliminate that cancer. Bull-mother-fucking-titty-sucking-shit. Sexual predation of children is a far greater evil than war can ever be. Human Trafficking is a far greater evil than war will ever be. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You might as well hate carbon. War is. Period. Will it always be? As long as Muslims have a pulse. I'm no fan of the Islam, but I'm sure that if Islam was to go away we would find something else to fight about. Yes that is very true. It definitely would help/improve things though. Watch 2 ladies argue about a parking spot in front of Nordstroms and tell me fighting isn't part of our souls... |
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There is no greater evil than war, IMHO. If we want to survive as species and spread beyond this one endangered world of ours we must first eliminate that cancer. It's impossible. It's as impossible as eliminating self defense so long as there is someone who is willing to hurt you or take what you have. The only way to reduce war is to be very good at it and be ruthlessly willing to carry it out. And, there are evils worse than war. Slavery of a people, for starters. |
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I've found, in my experience, that most people who use the phrase "in the name of religion" are under 20 years old. Not all, but the vast majority. YMMV. If you look at the wars that were fought "in the name of religion" they all, conveniently, have large tracts of land associated with the victory. Funny thing about that. |
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I was having this conversation with a co-worker who has two 18 month old twins. She was exasperated by the fact that the twins were always fighting with each other...biting, pulling hair, pushing, etc. I could only comment that it's the way we're wired. Always have been, always will be. We're not so different from other animals, but like pit-bulls we have greater capability to do harm on a large scale.
Regarding the experience of emotions and such, it's all part of the human condition. If you are inclined to believe in God, I believe he looks at us like any parent does a child. Sometimes He's proud, sometimes He's disappointed, but He probably sits there and shakes His head at the decisions we seem to make. He already knows we'll make them of course, but that's another discussion |
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There is no greater evil than war, IMHO. If we want to survive as species and spread beyond this one endangered world of ours we must first eliminate that cancer. Bull-mother-fucking-titty-sucking-shit. Sexual predation of children is a far greater evil than war can ever be. Human Trafficking is a far greater evil than war will ever be. The abominable practices you refer to, sexual predation of children and human trafficking, thrive best in warzones. That, if something, is an undisputed fact. |
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It's been in our nature since pre-history. We're hardwired for it. There's always someone stronger that wants what you have or someone who thinks they can beat you and tries to take what they want by force. Our whole civilization is based on strife down to the lowest level. We were not the strongest or best adapted bipedal homonid on the planet, but we prevailed because we had the brainpower to use tenacity and technology combined to beat the elements AND stronger species. After that it was always a fight for survival against other races/tribes. It's how we came to dominate this planet and it's ingrained in most of us. Honour and belief in a higher power can still the instinct to use brute force to gain what we want in some instances but it doesn't impede others who would use it against us for their own purposes and thats when our violent fighting instinct kicks in to stop/suppress others efforts to subjigate our will/land/resources. There will ALWAYS be someone who gives us a reason or forces us to fight, or a reason for us to go after someone else.
One quote from a corny movie (King Aurthur 2004) I think will always ring true from the character Lancelot- "The kind of world you dream of will never exist, never, there will always be a battlefield." Teddy Roosevelt had it right too "All the great masterful races have been fighting races." I dislike warfare and I wish it wasn't necessary. I also hate having to wash dishes but both are a part of life. Animals, even of the same species will fight/kill eachother over territory/mating rights/food. Its what evolution uses to ensure the stong survive to pass on their genes to the next generation. Although the sad part is with our advanced state and technology that basic premice in the animal kingdom (in our society) actually has the opposite effect and causes the deaths of our best/brightest/ bravest alpha male types leaving the 4f's and hippies, weakilings and pacifists at home to pro-create 
In my Machiavelian opinion more war and deaths have been caused by bad diplomacy/polotics and the unwillingness to fight until it was forced upon us and at greater cost than a smaller conflict earlier on in the game. You can take my opinion with a grain of salt. THe geneologist last year proved that my Fathers side of the family (Mothers is Saxon descended) is Norweigan Viking. I may have too many aggressive genes according to the wife
I wish we could all get along like one big happy global family, but we CANNOT. Reagan said it when he said that all the wars in his lifetime were not caused due to the fact that the country was too strong. ie "SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM" As far as my personal opinion of war/violence( on a personal or even global level); I have the love of an amazing woman, starting a family and anything that anyone has that I want I will WORK to get. Im going to stay in my own backyard and mind my own business. That being said ANYONE who tries to take what I have is going to get my full offensive and unmercilless wrath until the threat is no more. Just my 2c |