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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:36:00 AM EDT
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Related question The police have a networked work station. They can pull all this data. Why do they need to see your registration card & proof of insurance any more? Some state statutes require it to be carried at all times, some don't. We require it at all times. Not all LEA's have computers in the cars. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:36:18 AM EDT
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Hell I can look up your plates with no probable cause
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Posted: 3/21/2012 10:41:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. There is already an app for that on the iPhone. Its at least 3 years old. Pretty sure there is one for the droid as well. People use it for radar traps. Just motivates me to find places that people can't see me well. It's more fun to run the app and see how long it takes someone to mark you. Then move.  |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:00:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ah, technology.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 minutes. You run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. You ignore it and go home.   (Unless you're looking for OT, or know someone who is.) "Anybody looking?" (Haven't heard that over the radio in years due to cell phones) |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:01:45 AM EDT
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What if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 minutes. You run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. You ignore it and go home.
(Unless you're looking for OT, or know someone who is.) "Anybody looking?" (Haven't heard that over the radio in years due to cell phones) Yeah, you'd probably get in trouble if you went over the air with that nowadays.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:03:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well, you know what they say... any cop can make an arrest. A good cop, can shit-can anything.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 minutes. You run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. You ignore it and go home. (Unless you're looking for OT, or know someone who is.) "Anybody looking?" Don't have to. It usually finds me. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:15:53 AM EDT
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They don't need PC to look at or to run your plate. But if they run your plate and it comes back clean, they need PC before they can do anything else.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:16:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Lets say you're just driving along and doing nothing illegal and a police officer happens to be following you. If they're bored can they run your license plate just because? Or do they need probable cause first? No |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:16:54 AM EDT
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Well, you know what they say... any cop can make an arrest. A good cop, can shit-can anything. Like a double shooting at a certain well known Brooklyn street corner? "TAXI !!!" 
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:17:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That's why we cruise through hotel parking lots on night shift and run plates too. A hotel parking lot is private property. Any guest or employee has no legal responsibility to display ANY plate while the vehicle is not being operated on a public road. Doesn't matter. If it's there, we can run it. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:21:50 AM EDT
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New source of Revenue,of course they don't. I wasn't aware that violations of the V & T law were a new offense. Tickets are a net loss anyway .... Really? Again? We going to go through this ALL OVER AGAIN? Please stop... |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:22:47 AM EDT
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Lets say you're just driving along and doing nothing illegal and a police officer happens to be following you. If they're bored can they run your license plate just because? Or do they need probable cause first? No That has'nt been answered yet, thanks |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:23:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets say you're just driving along and doing nothing illegal and a police officer happens to be following you. If they're bored can they run your license plate just because? Or do they need probable cause first? No That has'nt been answered yet, thanks  |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:24:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. Just how would that work. I could turn at the next intersection and your 'sighting" would be stale and out of date within 30 seconds. Kinda been done. http://www.escortradar.com/escort-live/ |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:26:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. Just how would that work. I could turn at the next intersection and your 'sighting" would be stale and out of date within 30 seconds. Kinda been done. http://www.escortradar.com/escort-live/ Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea!  |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:30:45 AM EDT
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Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. Just how would that work. I could turn at the next intersection and your 'sighting" would be stale and out of date within 30 seconds. Kinda been done. http://www.escortradar.com/escort-live/ Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea!
There is one thing you can pretty much bet on is if the cop stops your running a stop sign your chances of getting a warning with a radar detector in the car is almost zero. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:32:59 AM EDT
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Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea!
I like having a radar detector for several reasons. Not the least of which is I protest certain laws by being civilly disobedient. It's an extra card in the cat and mouse game with the traffic police. It also gives a bit more situational awareness. Which once you come to expect, is noticeably absent when you don't have it. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:34:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea! I like having a radar detector for several reasons. Not the least of which is I protest certain laws by being civilly disobedient. It's an extra card in the cat and mouse game with the traffic police. It also gives a bit more situational awareness. Which once you come to expect, is noticeably absent when you don't have it. The problem is, the detectors don't protect you. I can't count the number of drivers I pull over with them in the car, and turned on. I contest that having one makes you complacent, and reliant on it to remain situationally aware. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:37:21 AM EDT
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The problem is, the detectors don't protect you. I can't count the number of drivers I pull over with them in the car, and turned on. I contest that having one makes you complacent, and reliant on it to remain situationally aware. No doubt. Radar Detectors are like condoms. It's an aid, not a guarantee. WIDE disparity in the quality of the different detectors as well. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:38:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't have that system, just was reading about it the other day.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. Just how would that work. I could turn at the next intersection and your 'sighting" would be stale and out of date within 30 seconds. Kinda been done. http://www.escortradar.com/escort-live/ Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea! There is one thing you can pretty much bet on is if the cop stops your running a stop sign your chances of getting a warning with a radar detector in the car is almost zero. I do have a radar detector. If you stop me for running a stop sign, I deserve a ticket. Pretty fair trade-off given just about ever cop in KY leaves their radar running ALL the time, KSP and locals even when they are not on duty and aren't even in their county/city  |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:39:27 AM EDT
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Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. There is already an app for that on the iPhone. Its at least 3 years old. Pretty sure there is one for the droid as well. People use it for radar traps. Just motivates me to find places that people can't see me well. It's more fun to run the app and see how long it takes someone to mark you. Then move.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 12:02:01 PM EDT
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Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea!
I like having a radar detector for several reasons. Not the least of which is I protest certain laws by being civilly disobedient. It's an extra card in the cat and mouse game with the traffic police. It also gives a bit more situational awareness. Which once you come to expect, is noticeably absent when you don't have it. If you truly protested the law by being civilly disobedient, you would say F*** the law and speed everywhere you go, everytime, even without a radar. And when you eventually get a ticket, you would proudly state, "Yes your honor, I received this ticket. I do not agree with it, but I was defying an unjust law." If the law is unjust, you would do what you could to change it and willingly accept the ticket. By using a radar and attempting to dodge a ticket, you are basically just saying that you are out for yourself. In other words, you are saying you agree with the law (hence why you do not speed in the presence of a cop), but you do not want to personally receive a ticket (hence why you have a radar detector). |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 12:05:57 PM EDT
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Those plate readers are eventually going to,be installed all over so .gov can track anyone's movement without a warrant. Not good. Simple solution: fresnel lens over the plate. It's still completely readable and not obscured in any way - but only if you're directly behind the car. Yeah, I ticket every vehicle I see with a tag cover. Lots of people around here use license plate covers for various reasons. Some use it to obscure and hide the plate. Others use it to give it a darker look to match their vehicle. And others do it to keep the plate clean. Here, any obstruction of the plate is illegal, meaning any coating you put on it, any covers, etc and I always stop for it. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 12:10:07 PM EDT
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If you truly protested the law by being civilly disobedient, you would say F*** the law and speed everywhere you go, everytime, even without a radar. And when you eventually get a ticket, you would proudly state, "Yes your honor, I received this ticket. I do not agree with it, but I was defying an unjust law." If the law is unjust, you would do what you could to change it and willingly accept the ticket. By using a radar and attempting to dodge a ticket, you are basically just saying that you are out for yourself. In other words, you are saying you agree with the law (hence why you do not speed in the presence of a cop), but you do not want to personally receive a ticket (hence why you have a radar detector). You can twist it any way you like. You follow the letter of the law if you wish. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:32:49 PM EDT
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While we're on this topic, are radar scramblers illegal and how much is the ticket usually?
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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:35:55 PM EDT
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"A former female police officer, suspecting randy colleagues were abusing Minnesota's driver's license database to look her up, discovered that 104 officers in 18 different agencies across the state had accessed her driver's license record 425 times, using the state database as their personal Facebook service.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 3:38:47 PM EDT
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"A former female police officer, suspecting randy colleagues were abusing Minnesota's driver's license database to look her up, discovered that 104 officers in 18 different agencies across the state had accessed her driver's license record 425 times, using the state database as their personal Facebook service.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnUbms__eAC'mon, if it's not going to be used for this then what is it going to be used for??
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:02:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If you truly protested the law by being civilly disobedient, you would say F*** the law and speed everywhere you go, everytime, even without a radar. And when you eventually get a ticket, you would proudly state, "Yes your honor, I received this ticket. I do not agree with it, but I was defying an unjust law." If the law is unjust, you would do what you could to change it and willingly accept the ticket. By using a radar and attempting to dodge a ticket, you are basically just saying that you are out for yourself. In other words, you are saying you agree with the law (hence why you do not speed in the presence of a cop), but you do not want to personally receive a ticket (hence why you have a radar detector). You can twist it any way you like. You follow the letter of the law if you wish. I know that following the letter of law lets me keep my guns, my property, and my freedom. Thats enough motivation for me. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:05:54 PM EDT
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While we're on this topic, are radar scramblers illegal and how much is the ticket usually? . |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:38:06 PM EDT
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Seems like with modern smartphones and social networking, it wouldn't be all that difficult to turn the tables and "watch the watchers" by having a car mounted webcam ID marked and obvious unmarked LEO vehicles (along with their present speed and direction thanks to linkage with GPS data) and have approximate present locations shared with other app users. Just how would that work. I could turn at the next intersection and your 'sighting" would be stale and out of date within 30 seconds. Kinda been done. http://www.escortradar.com/escort-live/ Stuff like this blows my mind. How about don't speed? No thanks, man, I'd rather spend hundreds of dollars so I can go 10mph faster! Yea!
There is one thing you can pretty much bet on is if the cop stops your running a stop sign your chances of getting a warning with a radar detector in the car is almost zero. Yep, intent right there. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:01:37 PM EDT
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Our county has readers on squad cars along the side of the road that can read hundreds of plates an hour.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:08:53 PM EDT
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Yep, intent right there. Having a radar detector = intent to run a stop sign? |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:31:14 PM EDT
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That's why we cruise through hotel parking lots on night shift and run plates too. A hotel parking lot is private property. Any guest or employee has no legal responsibility to display ANY plate while the vehicle is not being operated on a public road. Here its called an "off street parking facility" and certain vehicle code sections apply. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:31:21 PM EDT
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Yep, intent right there. Having a radar detector = intent to run a stop sign? No, speeding, meant it in that context. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:32:27 PM EDT
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As an LEO and to possibly unwind a few peoples tits: The ability to run plates at random(or close to it) results in people being pulled over LESS. Forget to put your current stickers on when they came in the mail? I can check that from my car and save us both the trouble of pulling you over. Lookout for a drunk driver named James Jackson driving a white Ford pickup with no tag given? Pull over every white Ford pick up or just those coming back to James jackson or his family? Wrote you for a suspended license last month,see you driving today. Pull you over to check or run your tag/license? The list goes on and on........... As other LEOs have said it's a great tool to use to catch people doing bad shit,stolen cars,ect but are also used alot to save your and my time and avoid unneeded traffic stops. True. The plate info leads me not to stop as many cars as it leads me to stop. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:32:29 PM EDT
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In NY they have plate readers on the car and they just sit on the side of the road while the camera scans everyone's plates looking for warrants/expired registration.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:35:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Those plate readers are eventually going to,be installed all over so .gov can track anyone's movement without a warrant. Those plate readers can be defeated by a 20 lens that obscures the plate from being read by cameras and plate readers I read somewhere. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:38:04 PM EDT
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I run plates to find cold plated and vin swap stolens. I'm looking for cars with salvage titles that have been subplated with multiple duplicate title application in their DMV history and a DMV history that doesnt go back to the model year of the vehicle. I really dont care if your registration sticker is expired.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:40:14 PM EDT
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Yes, of course they can run it. they can, driving is a privilege not a right |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:52:14 PM EDT
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as it has been mentioned above that no PC is needed to run your LP number. there is a reason not to just run numbers b/c you can. what if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 min. you run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. you attempt to stop the car to apprehend said subject and then all hell breaks loose. when you run the number isn't the LEO a little obligated to make the stop? what if he simply wanted to go home? i don't know how many would admit to it, but i bet there are a few that would or have learned to resist running LP numbers just for the hell of it at the end of their shifts. anyone care to chime in? S Just because the plate comes back to a warrant/revoked/ETC that doesn't mean the officer can make a legal stop. We still need PC for a traffic stop. Now if we have a positive ID then that is all the PC we need. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Yes, of course they can run it. they can, driving is a privilege not a right Uh, oh, now you done it! |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 5:57:54 PM EDT
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as it has been mentioned above that no PC is needed to run your LP number. there is a reason not to just run numbers b/c you can. what if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 min. you run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. you attempt to stop the car to apprehend said subject and then all hell breaks loose. when you run the number isn't the LEO a little obligated to make the stop? what if he simply wanted to go home? i don't know how many would admit to it, but i bet there are a few that would or have learned to resist running LP numbers just for the hell of it at the end of their shifts. anyone care to chime in? S Just because the plate comes back to a warrant/revoked/ETC that doesn't mean the officer can make a legal stop. We still need PC for a traffic stop. Now if we have a positive ID then that is all the PC we need. Actually a warrant that is linked to the plate is RS to stop the vehicle. I prefer to find my own RS anyway but there is plenty of case law that says that a active warrant linked to the plate is enough to stop the vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 6:08:49 PM EDT
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What if you are a LEO on the end of your shift all is well and you are ready to go home in 15 minutes. You run the plate number on the car ahead of you and it comes back they are public enemy number one. You ignore it and go home.
(Unless you're looking for OT, or know someone who is.) "Anybody looking?" Don't have to. It usually finds me. I feel ya. That's my luck too, never fails, gold hour bug bites me all the time. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 6:20:49 PM EDT
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If one cop running tags at random bothers some of you then y'all are going to vaporlock if you google HIDTA ALPR+interstate highways. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:37:59 PM EDT
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"Anybody looking?" (Haven't heard that over the radio in years due to cell phones) The PD downtown still canvasses its people over the air for 4 more on an almost daily basis. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:39:11 PM EDT
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Really? Again? We going to go through this ALL OVER AGAIN? Please stop... Why? It is true |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:43:38 PM EDT
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hahah what planet are you living on
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:46:51 PM EDT
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Driving is a privilege not a right.
If you have a problem with what they do to monitor those on a government road that they give you permission to use, then you can either quit driving, or take the fight to court. Constitutionally, I don't think you will have a leg to stand on. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:49:59 PM EDT
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um, no. They can run anybody's, anytime. Not necessarily, a semi local LEO got a three day paid vacation when it was found out he was running plates on classic cars so you could contact the registered owners to try to buy the cars from them. Sounds more like abuse of power. I doubt most cops are running plates for personal gain. |
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Posted: 3/21/2012 7:53:25 PM EDT
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Those plate readers are eventually going to,be installed all over so .gov can track anyone's movement without a warrant. I've been told I was crazy for saying the same thing. While the conclusion may be accurate, I have a problem with the path they took to get there. Same here, I've been harping on this subject since the first cameras went on portable readers here in Detroit/Dearborn right after 9/11. Everyone glossed it over or said , but now look where we are...
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