[ARCHIVED THREAD] - CCW mistake (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/27/2012 7:49:15 PM EDT
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo.
I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs. 
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. 
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. So you didn't detect the weight difference? |
| I feel for ya. Went to change out the safety button on the wife's shotty. We had been to the range 2 weeks before AND i realized we / she / i never reloaded it. Major fail, kind of freaked me out, especially if something happened and she went for it first instead of her 26. |
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I once carried around a 1911 with one in the chamber and no magazine for a day. For some reason I had ejected the mag to see which one it was, laid it down and never put it back in the gun. With the weight of a 1911 I didn't realize it was missing, and when I press-checked it I saw brass.
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. So you didn't detect the weight difference? I have it in a sturdy Bianchi holster and I am not allowed to take it into work. So I usually secure it a lock box in the car. So I really did not feel the difference until I pulled it out of the holster today. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs. At least I had rounds in my backup mag. So you didn't detect the weight difference? He almost pulled a Tuco   If you are impatient skip to ~6:30 |
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Quoted: I do not believe a press check will do it but the repeated cambering of a round can cause the primer to fail. There was a post recently where this happened to a cop and they had the ammo analysed and found that the primer compound to have broken apart.Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. |
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I do not believe a press check will do it but the repeated cambering of a round can cause the primer to fail. There was a post recently where this happened to a cop and they had the ammo analysed and found that the primer compound to have broken apart.
Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. Not to mention that certain calibers are far more prone to setback resulting in a kB than others. I've seen duty .40 ammo get set back after being cycled three or four times; in that particular caliber if those rounds had been fired they would have certainly resulted in a Glocknade. |
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I do not believe a press check will do it but the repeated cambering of a round can cause the primer to fail. There was a post recently where this happened to a cop and they had the ammo analysed and found that the primer compound to have broken apart.
Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. Provided that your weapon has a free-floating firing pin. Thus, the AR15. A problem not commonly encountered with handguns, you see. |
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. No cartridges or no bullets? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I do not believe a press check will do it but the repeated cambering of a round can cause the primer to fail. There was a post recently where this happened to a cop and they had the ammo analysed and found that the primer compound to have broken apart.Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. Not to mention that certain calibers are far more prone to setback resulting in a kB than others. I've seen duty .40 ammo get set back after being cycled three or four times; in that particular caliber if those rounds had been fired they would have certainly resulted in a Glocknade. There's no need to cycle the round in the chamber. Seriously, what are people achieving by doing that? I can't understand why people constantly load and unload their carry gun unless they're shooting it. And if you do, there's no reason whatsoever to allow the slide to chamber the round with it's full force when you reload it with your carry ammo. Ease the slide down on the round in the magazine, make sure it's pointed in a safe direction and make sure it's fully in battery. If that's too much to handle, then simply shoot the round that was in the chamber before you leave the range. Setback is a completely avoidable situation with quality ammo. It should never happen. |
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. No cartridges or no bullets? Empty mag. 
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I do not believe a press check will do it but the repeated cambering of a round can cause the primer to fail. There was a post recently where this happened to a cop and they had the ammo analysed and found that the primer compound to have broken apart.
Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. Not to mention that certain calibers are far more prone to setback resulting in a kB than others. I've seen duty .40 ammo get set back after being cycled three or four times; in that particular caliber if those rounds had been fired they would have certainly resulted in a Glocknade. There's no need to cycle the round in the chamber. Seriously, what are people achieving by doing that? I can't understand why people constantly load and unload their carry gun unless they're shooting it. And if you do, there's no reason whatsoever to allow the slide to chamber the round with it's full force when you reload it with your carry ammo. Ease the slide down on the round in the magazine, make sure it's pointed in a safe direction and make sure it's fully in battery. If that's too much to handle, then simply shoot the round that was in the chamber before you leave the range. Setback is a completely avoidable situation with quality ammo. It should never happen. I agree completely, and don't advocate cycling rounds again and again for no reason. Unfortunately, some department and unit policies require asinine things to be done. Just pointing out that this type of habit can be quite dangerous. |
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I did something similar once. I loaded one in the pipe, put the gun in its carry satchel, and went on my merry way. I got to the range, went to unload before going into the store and stared. There was the gun, one in the pipe, but no magazine. It still had its two backup mags, but no primary mags.
The only thing I can figure is that, back then when my loading routine was more on an "anti-gun" leaning, something must have interrupted my thoughts and hence, the sequence. So I changed my arming sequence slightly to prevent that. It was long ago, so I don't recall what was the sequence then, only that it existed in a time when my thinking was more to pleasing anti gun types. Now the sequence is oriented more to arming and staying armed. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (Little Marine hits the mag eject on his M-16 infront of the Martians, "Oooops,"––famous last word before vaporization, (w,stte), "Mars Attacks") |
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Pretty much everytime I put my pistol on I eject the mag and check for rounds then do a press check. I do this every morning now. I walked out one day the day after cleaning it, and got to where I was going when it hit me that something was wrong. Eventually I realized I had a mag in, but no round in the chamber. I excused myself to the bathroom and corrected the issue. That was enough for me to be OCD about checking the status every evening and morning, regardless of if I touched it before. I don't know how you can't tell the difference between a loaded gun and an unloaded gun by weight though. Maybe with a 1911 when you're not used to them, but not a Glock or something like that. |
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I carry a G4 G17 and verify a loaded chamber before it goes in the holster.
Every. Fucking. Time. Doesnt matter if I just put it down. ETA: I know a Cuban guy that was in Angola and carries a Beretta 92 with an empty chamber. I think he's crazy to do it, but then again; he is. |
I was out of town a few years ago visiting some friends and we ended up going to a range to shoot, I dropped my carry mag, set it on the range table and everyone's having a great time shooting and enjoying each others guns. When we're done I pick up my carry mag to find that it's empty, my buddies wife had shot it up not knowing that it was my carry ammo, I had to carry FMJ for the rest of the day. I felt so dirty 
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. 
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oopsie!
I have discovered that stupid mistakes are a lot easier to make than we'd like. The general form of OPs mistake is interrupting a long term process with some kind of departure and returning to the orginal process. Errors creep in on the transitions. Forget to unload. Forget to chamber etc. Dummy rounds in mag. The ANSI name for this kind of mistake is "aw, shit!!" My general form of rule this is "if you do something different, you fuck something up". Close attention to detail helps, but errors of this sort are devilishly hard to eradicate. Thanks for sharing, OP. but for the grace of God... |
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Complacency, it will get you killed. I check my carry gun every morning. Drop the mag and inspect it. Press check and insert the mag. I've also never really understood the need some of you seem to have to cycle your carry ammo. But whatever floats your boat. This is not complacency. As I preached in the ND thread, this is NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. People are in such a hurry to get on to the next thing they're wanting to get done, or thinking about something else that they don't pay attention to what they're doing while they're doing it. |
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Quoted: I once carried around a 1911 with one in the chamber and no magazine for a day. For some reason I had ejected the mag to see which one it was, laid it down and never put it back in the gun. With the weight of a 1911 I didn't realize it was missing, and when I press-checked it I saw brass. I carried an empty 1911 around one day. Since then, I only put loaded handguns in holsters. Everything else stays out until it gets reloaded. |
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. So you didn't detect the weight difference? +1. I retract the slide a little to check for a round in the chamber and reseat the mag every morning. |
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I take my carry G26 to the range every so often to practice with it and to cycle the ammo. I shoot the old rounds I have been carrying and reload with new ones to make sure I have fresh rounds. I did not have the Ranger rounds that I normally carry. So shot the mag and put the gun away. Well today, a week later I looked at my G26 I have been carrying around. NO BULLETs.
At least I had rounds in my backup mag. No cartridges or no bullets? Empty mag. 
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