[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Beslan terror attack (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 2/12/2012 9:59:06 AM EDT
| Anyone know of any good documentaries on this incident? I've got some friends that don't believe things like that can happen and I'd like to show them what that was actually like. I've got the book "Terror at Beslan", but you know how people and reading goes. |
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Heres a link to some interviews etc not too bad
Beslan Documentary |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here  Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Not if they don't care about dying and intend to force us into another interminable war. Let's say they're linked to training camps in Somalia and the government in the bad part refuses to give up the guys who ran the op. Then what? Sound familiar? |
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Wait - they don't believe that Beslan happened? I'm guessing he means they think it can't happen here. Then they're definitely fucking retarded. Most schools here would be easy as fuck to take over. Yep. Something the LEO/CT side of our society expects. Sure as shit could happen here, results at the end may not be much better. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. You mean like the guy in Pa. did to an Amish school several years ago. Or like the Columbine shooting. Next thing you know some guy will be shooting people in Ft. Hood or Va. Tech. ... Nah it'll never happen here. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Either way, game over. Of course there will be deaths. If they are trying to provoke us into war, they don't understand the American sized asswhooping that would be released. It wouldnt be a protracted hostage crisis like belsan.
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You mean like the guy in Pa. did to an Amish school several years ago. Or like the Columbine shooting. Next thing you know some guy will be shooting people in Ft. Hood or Va. Tech. ... Nah it'll never happen here. Those were nothing on the scale of a Beslan. Quoted:
I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Either way, game over. Of course there will be deaths. If they are trying to provoke us into war, they don't understand the American sized asswhooping that would be released. It wouldnt be a protracted hostage crisis like belsan.Parents showed up at Beslan and it didn't help resolve that incident. Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. I have no doubt that it would cause a great outcry in the American population, but I bet the handwringers would also be vocal in no time blaming the incident on US foreign policy. They gnashed their teeth post-9/11 at having to endure the wave of patriotism that happened. They wont be silent as long after the next incident. Plan on it. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. You mean like the guy in Pa. did to an Amish school several years ago. Or like the Columbine shooting. Next thing you know some guy will be shooting people in Ft. Hood or Va. Tech. ... Nah it'll never happen here. Those examples are at least an order of magnitude diffferent than Belsan. Explosives, booby traps, machine guns, and coordinated groups? Will happen right after teh economy crashes. 
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Either way, game over. Of course there will be deaths. If they are trying to provoke us into war, they don't understand the American sized asswhooping that would be released. It wouldnt be a protracted hostage crisis like belsan.Again, the end results may be similar. The time frame wouldn't. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Either way, game over. Of course there will be deaths. If they are trying to provoke us into war, they don't understand the American sized asswhooping that would be released. It wouldnt be a protracted hostage crisis like belsan.Again, the end results may be similar. The time frame wouldn't. If they get explosives or chem in place, yes, the end result would be dissappointingly similar. |
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It'd be the dumbest fucking terrorists ever if they tried that here Do you honestly think that terrorists trying it here expect to live? They would do it to send a message to Americans. They don't expect to survive the incident, just exact the maximum amount of carnage in the process. I foresee that if it were to ever happen they'd pick a school district in a smaller town. Little to no police coverage and long police response times. It has been a frequent range discussion topic amongst our people for several years. I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Parents with guns showed up at Beslan and made things worse. Shooting at rescuers and terrorists both. Imagine the most crowded highschool football game or graduation you ever went to. Now imagine all those people in a near panic, many of them armed. Their cars alone will cause gridlock making it impossible for ambulances to evacuate the wounded. |
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Wait - they don't believe that Beslan happened? I'm guessing he means they think it can't happen here. Then they're definitely fucking retarded. Most schools here would be easy as fuck to take over. This and mall shootings make most LEOs skin crawl in a very bad way. |
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Anyone know of any good documentaries on this incident? I've got some friends that don't believe things like that can happen and I'd like to show them what that was actually like. I've got the book "Terror at Beslan", but you know how people and reading goes. There are a couple out there, but I forget the names, lmao Also do a google search on John Giduk, he is the world leading "expert" on Beslan. He was on the ground there I belive within 12 hours of the start of the incident.He has a good book on the subject too. J- |
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I used those exsamples to show how easy it would be for a force of more the a few teens or a solo gunman could do
and there isn't a damn thing anybody could do except react to it. There is really no way prevent it when people still have the thought in their heads that they are safe. |
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Anyone know of any good documentaries on this incident? I've got some friends that don't believe things like that can happen and I'd like to show them what that was actually like. I've got the book "Terror at Beslan", but you know how people and reading goes. There are a couple out there, but I forget the names, lmao Also do a google search on John Giduk, he is the world leading "expert" on Beslan. He was on the ground there I belive within 12 hours of the start of the incident.He has a good book on the subject too. J- That was Giduck's book he referred to in the OP. I wouldn't believe a thing that comes out of the man's mouth. Your mileage may vary. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. My guess is that we'd be using the FBI's HRT. So you're still looking at 12-18 hours minimum. The locals aren't going to put out at SOS right away. A situation that big won't require an SOS. Soon as it hits the media parts will be moving. But yes, there will be a delay. It would be a shit sandwich all around. The real key is to make sure that your retaliation afterwards puts the fear of God into them. |
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Anyone know of any good documentaries on this incident? I've got some friends that don't believe things like that can happen and I'd like to show them what that was actually like. I've got the book "Terror at Beslan", but you know how people and reading goes. There are a couple out there, but I forget the names, lmao Also do a google search on John Giduk, he is the world leading "expert" on Beslan. He was on the ground there I belive within 12 hours of the start of the incident.He has a good book on the subject too. J- That was Giduck's book he referred to in the OP. I wouldn't believe a thing that comes out of the man's mouth. Your mileage may vary. I am no expert but I thought Chechen Jihad by Bodansky very informative. OP and others might benefit from reading it. I did. |
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Glenn Beck did a series entitled "The Perfect Day". Tapes have been found in Afghanistan showing rehersals to attack buildings and take hostages, with the terrorists shouting orders in English. These videos were found along with photos and documents from American schools.
Even if Delta Force weren't currently occupied on the other side of the Earth and local parents were properly trained in room clearance and hostage rescue and not under intense emotional pressure, alot of kids are going to die before any actual terror attack is contained. |
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Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. My guess is that we'd be using the FBI's HRT. So you're still looking at 12-18 hours minimum. The locals aren't going to put out at SOS right away. A situation that big won't require an SOS. Soon as it hits the media parts will be moving. But yes, there will be a delay. It would be a shit sandwich all around. The real key is to make sure that your retaliation afterwards puts the fear of God into them. If any attack like that were to occur in the US, that would be their goal. |
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A situation that big won't require an SOS. Soon as it hits the media parts will be moving. But yes, there will be a delay. It would be a shit sandwich all around. The real key is to make sure that your retaliation afterwards puts the fear of God into them. I suspect it'll take some time for the severity of the event to be properly identified and a larger response started. Guess it all depends on the severity of the opening hour or two of the incident..... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. My guess is that we'd be using the FBI's HRT. So you're still looking at 12-18 hours minimum. The locals aren't going to put out at SOS right away. A situation that big won't require an SOS. Soon as it hits the media parts will be moving. But yes, there will be a delay. It would be a shit sandwich all around. The real key is to make sure that your retaliation afterwards puts the fear of God into them. If any attack like that were to occur in the US, that would be their goal. Then we follow the advice of Mr. William T. Sherman. If they want war, we will give them all they can handle. |
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You mean like the guy in Pa. did to an Amish school several years ago. Or like the Columbine shooting. Next thing you know some guy will be shooting people in Ft. Hood or Va. Tech. ... Nah it'll never happen here. Those were nothing on the scale of a Beslan. Quoted:
I know that. How long do you think it would be before parents with guns or Delta showed up at the school? Either way, game over. Of course there will be deaths. If they are trying to provoke us into war, they don't understand the American sized asswhooping that would be released. It wouldnt be a protracted hostage crisis like belsan.Parents showed up at Beslan and it didn't help resolve that incident. Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. I have no doubt that it would cause a great outcry in the American population, but I bet the handwringers would also be vocal in no time blaming the incident on US foreign policy. They gnashed their teeth post-9/11 at having to endure the wave of patriotism that happened. They wont be silent as long after the next incident. Plan on it. I f they ever mount an attack like that on an American school it better be just the opening diversion for a much bigger effort as I have little doubt that it would kick off a rash of violence unlike any we've seen in our lifetimes. I'd expect before it was controlled that fully 50% of the Mosques here would be smoking piles of wreckage with many of their flocks inside. And as for the hand wringers, after a couple of the most vocal ones were dealt with in one way or another, they'd quiet right down. I think the only reason they haven't done this to date is the fact that they KNOW it would result in their total destruction as well as those who back them. When they go that route, either they think they can win or some group of nuts has gone rogue and FUBAR'd their plan. The militia movement would explode in numbers if there was more than1 occurrence and with all the combat vets in the general population now, it could get very ugly. |
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Delta? They'd be 24 hours, minimum. My guess is that we'd be using the FBI's HRT. So you're still looking at 12-18 hours minimum. The locals aren't going to put out at SOS right away. A situation that big won't require an SOS. Soon as it hits the media parts will be moving. But yes, there will be a delay. It would be a shit sandwich all around. The real key is to make sure that your retaliation afterwards puts the fear of God into them. If any attack like that were to occur in the US, that would be their goal. Then we follow the advice of Mr. William T. Sherman. If they want war, we will give them all they can handle. We already are.... which has a lot to do with why this has not happened here. We have them on the run. If "them" to you equals "all Muslims" I suppose I can see why you are a bit confused. It might also explain why so many are so surprised an attack like this hasn't occurred here yet. When you start with faulty premises, it makes other observations less easy to comprehend. |
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We already are.... which has a lot to do with why this has not happened here. We have them on the run. If "them" to you equals "all Muslims" I suppose I can see why you are a bit confused. It might also explain why so many are so surprised an attack like this hasn't occurred here yet. When you start with faulty premises, it makes other observations less easy to comprehend. For the most part, yes. That said, we're a long way from using our maximum ability to fight. |
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I'd expect before it was controlled that fully 50% of the Mosques here would be smoking piles of wreckage with many of their flocks inside. Thats exactly what they want. The pictures of the burnt out ruins and mangled corpses will be beamed into every home in the Muslim world with the caption "LOOK AT WHAT THE CRUSADERS ARE DOING TO YOUR BROTHERS!!! THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU NEXT! PICK UP YOUR WEAPONS AND JOIN THE HOLY JIHAD AND DEFEND YOUR WIVES AND DAUGHTERS FROM THE MURDEROUS INFIDELS!" |