[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mitt Romney Gun Control Quotes (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/3/2012 7:11:42 PM EDT
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING 
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if only the left was stupid enough to beat up on their own guy people on the left who elect leftists generally have the same views as the leftists they want to elect. romney IS a leftist. he is just as big of a commie as obama, he just hides it better. FUCK romney. i am staying home if this slick haired used car salesman gets the nom. eat a bag of dicks romney. |
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if only the left was stupid enough to beat up on their own guy people on the left who elect leftists generally have the same views as the leftists they want to elect. romney IS a leftist. he is just as big of a commie as obama, he just hides it better. FUCK romney. i am staying home if this slick haired used car salesman gets the nom. eat a bag of dicks romney. Romney does not need to parade around like a flaming gun grabber to get the Republican nomination. He does it because he's a Massachusetts gun-grabbing liberal in RINO clothing 
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I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans!
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Quoted: I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans! __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform gun database/electronic bound book (v1.3.2) (and the original thread). «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans!
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform gun database/electronic bound book (v1.3.2) (and the original thread). «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» It's not really about voting third party to teach the Republicans. It's about voting on the right half of the political spectrum. Romney and Obama aren't on it. I'm not a leftist, are you? |
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I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans! http://www.wunjopress.com/images/Soft%20Words/cut%20your%20nose%20off%20to%20spite%20your%20face.jpg Always vote for principle. Though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. 
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from http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING ok vote for obama and come back and tell us you did |
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Those are the things they say in Massachusettes to get elected. It doesn't seem he is a Brady True Beleiver.
It doesn't look like gun banning is part of his DNA. It seems to me one of those issues he doesn't care about, one way or the other. Now, if he said those things in 2010 or 2012, let me know. That is a different story. Back in 1994 and early 2000's, that was respectable mainstream thinking. |
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Those are the things they say in Massachusettes to get elected. It doesn't seem he is a Brady True Beleiver. It doesn't look like gun banning is part of his DNA. It seems to me one of those issues he doesn't care about, one way or the other. Now, if he said those things in 2010 or 2012, let me know. That is a different story. Back in 1994 and early 2000's, that was respectable mainstream thinking. don't read very carefully? the Jan 2012 quote? Romney was not governor in 2008. 2008 quote? OMG 
you RINOs are
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Those are the things they say in Massachusettes to get elected. It doesn't seem he is a Brady True Beleiver. It doesn't look like gun banning is part of his DNA. It seems to me one of those issues he doesn't care about, one way or the other. Now, if he said those things in 2010 or 2012, let me know. That is a different story. Back in 1994 and early 2000's, that was respectable mainstream thinking. just because you joined ARFCOM in 2008? Do you realize how hard (some of us) worked in the early 2000s to combat the antis and restore SOME of your rights with the Sunset of the AWB in 2004??? WTF = Where The Fuck were you? it was only "mainstream thinking" if you were a total moron 
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Those are the things they say in Massachusettes to get elected. It doesn't seem he is a Brady True Beleiver. It doesn't look like gun banning is part of his DNA. It seems to me one of those issues he doesn't care about, one way or the other. Now, if he said those things in 2010 or 2012, let me know. That is a different story. Back in 1994 and early 2000's, that was respectable mainstream thinking. just because you joined ARFCOM in 2008? Do you realize how hard (some of us) worked in the early 2000s to combat the antis and restore SOME of your rights with the Sunset of the AWB in 2004??? WTF = Where The Fuck were you? it was only "mainstream thinking" if you were a total moron
Fuck it.
It is not worth the effort arguing with a pretentious little boy waving his dick all over the internet. Congradulations on your join date. It blows away any arguement I might have had. [ going back to COD MW3 downstairs while mom cooks dinner ] |
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from http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING Nice picking and choosing with that first quote, while leaving out the last part: ROMNEY: We had a piece of legislation that was crafted both by the pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby. The pro-gun lobby said "this legislation allows us to cross roads with weapons when we're hunting that had not been previously allowed." And the day when we announced our signing, we had both the pro-gun owners and anti-gun folks all together on the stage because it worked. We worked together. We found common ground. My view is that we have the second amendment right to bear arms and my view is also that we should not add new legislation. I know that there are people that think we need new laws. I disagree with that. I believe we have in place all the laws we need. We should enforce those laws. I do not believe in new laws restricting gun ownership and gun use.(Jan 2012)
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from http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING I will see your Rino and raise you one Dem....... Obamas 2nd Amendment record FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17 FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18 FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1 FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15 FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4 FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5 FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6 FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case. FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7 FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8 FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9 FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10 FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11 FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14 FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219) 2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html) 3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217) 4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html) 5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3. 6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php) 7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) 8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. 9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml) 10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26. 11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18. 12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html) 13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html) 14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.) 15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004. 16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34. 17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008. 18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf. |
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if only the left was stupid enough to beat up on their own guy If the powers that be in the Democratic party put up a guy who had a long track record of being on the wrong side of a number of their biggest issues... abortion, gay rights, you name it... they'd have this sort of battle too. |
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from http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING I will see your Rino and raise you one Dem....... Obamas 2nd Amendment record FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17 FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18 FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1 FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15 FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4 FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5 FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6 FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case. FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7 FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8 FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9 FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10 FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11 FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14 FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219) 2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html) 3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217) 4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html) 5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3. 6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php) 7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) 8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. 9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml) 10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26. 11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004, SB 2163, vote 18. 12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html) 13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html) 14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.) 15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004. 16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34. 17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008. 18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf. are you serious? of course Obongo is a gun grabber, but have you ever tried to travel with a gun through Massachusetts since Romney was Governor? Living in the next state (NH), we can't!!!!!! No FOID = no guns, ammo, mags you name it. Total non-nonsensical prohibition.... Now we can all coalesce behind Rick Santorum, a true 2nd Amendment backer. |
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Quoted: I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans! http://www.wunjopress.com/images/Soft%20Words/cut%20your%20nose%20off%20to%20spite%20your%20face.jpg __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform gun database/electronic bound book (v1.3.2) (and the original thread). «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» Well I am sure as hell not going to vote for a candidate that is diametrically opposed to my ideals |
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Quoted: Those are the things they say in Massachusettes to get elected. It doesn't seem he is a Brady True Beleiver. It doesn't look like gun banning is part of his DNA. It seems to me one of those issues he doesn't care about, one way or the other. Now, if he said those things in 2010 or 2012, let me know. That is a different story. Back in 1994 and early 2000's, that was respectable mainstream thinking. So basically he is a lying POS and will do or say anything to benefit himself? |
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Quoted: if only the left was stupid enough to beat up on their own guy They do. I had to sit and listen to a 60 minute rant recently by some ex hippy bitch who claims that by now Obama should have had a full, single payer health care system in place, door to door gun confiscation, all land made public, 95% tax rate on the rich, a base salary for every man and woman in the country for doing nothing, all grocery stores government run, etc, etc, etc. And she wasn't fooling. She really was pissed that Obama hasn't done all that. But she'll still vote for him on election day.
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Here's another quote from Romney.
He's far from an ideal candidate; but he damn well beats the shit out of Obama. "My view is that we have the second amendment right to bear arms and in this country my view is also that we should not add new legislation. I know that there are people that think we need new laws, we need to find new ways to restrict gun ownership. And there is in Washington a non-stop effort on the part of some legislators, and I believe the president, to restrict the right of law-abiding American citizens from owning a gun. I disagree with that. I believe we have in place all the laws we need. We should enforce those laws. I do not believe in new laws restricting gun ownership and gun use." - South Carolina GOP Debate 2012 (more on his past statements here: http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/governor/Massachusetts/Mitt_Romney/views/The_Second_Amendment) |
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This is getting kind of old. No, it's not. The Romnulans keep defending his signing of the AWB in MA when he was governor by saying the sportsman's groups were behind it and forget/ignore the rest of the stuff the OP noted. In 2007/2008, he still stated that he supported an AWB. |
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I know! We should just vote third party! That'll teach the Republicans!
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform gun database/electronic bound book (v1.3.2) (and the original thread). «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» It's not really about voting third party to teach the Republicans. It's about voting on the right half of the political spectrum. Romney and Obama aren't on it. I'm not a leftist, are you? Exactly. The candidate doesn't have to get an A+ to get my vote, but does have to get a passing grade of C- or better. Mittens fails. |
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from http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm#Gun_Control Click here for 9 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. -Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) -2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) -GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) -Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) -I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) -Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) -Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) -Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) -Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING Romney's move to the *right* and his move to support for gun-rights is not (your words, and bold) "absolutely frightening." What is absolutely frightening... What is absolutely frightening, is an Obama second term... That is absolutely frightening. Reagan was a Democrat early in his career. He moved to the *right* and so can Romney... Quoted:
-Find common ground with pro-gun & anti-gun groups. (Jan 2012) Disingenuous. He did not say that he would “find common ground with pro-gun and anti-gun groups.” His quote is “...We had a piece of legislation that was crafted both by the pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby. The pro-gun lobby said "this legislation allows us to cross roads with weapons when we're hunting that had not been previously allowed." And the day when we announced our signing, we had both the pro-gun owners and anti-gun folks all together on the stage because it worked. We worked together. We found common ground. My view is that we have the second amendment right to bear arms and my view is also that we should not add new legislation...” That was the “full-quote” the anti-Romney “Find common ground with pro-gun and anti-gun groups” statement comes from. How much clearer does the guy need to be that he supports second-amendment issues. “...My view is also that we should not add new legistlation...” His “ban” in MA included the *right* and the *left* “compromising.” The NRA and GOAL have both made-clear that Romney did the right thing. Is it *not* honest and *not* fair for the anti-Romney folks to say that he will “find common ground with pro-gun and anti-gun groups.” Not given his recent clarification on the issue of gun-rights... And, to be clear, his “compromise” in MA was fully-endorsed by the NRA and GOAL for *increasing* gun rights. Quoted:
-2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010) Your (Jan 2010) is matched in your link to a statement made in 2008... When you go to eat your own, make sure you are honest and accurate... In 2008, he did say that he had a lifelong devotion to hunting, and that he hunted with his cousins when he was a young man into young adulthood... It was later revealed that the only guns that he “owned” were his children’s weapons. Who cares. Honestly. Who cares. This is all I need to know: The NRA stated he *increased* gun-rights as governor, and he has clarified his stance on gun ownership: “I know that there are people that think we need new laws. I disagree with that. I believe we have in place all the laws we need. We should enforce those laws. I do not believe in new laws restricting gun ownership and gun use.” - Romney Jan 2012 It doesn’t get any clearer than that... Reagan was a Democrat early in his career, and moved to the *right* on issues... And I can support Romney for moving to the *right*... The *right* direction on gun ownership. As for how many guns he owns... It does not matter. Is he a lifelong hunter... Who cares. He does not support any more gun laws... Good enough for me. Quoted:
-GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008) There are folks here on arfcom, who say that they are ardent supporters of the 2nd Amendment who do not “line up with the NRA.” The NRA, and its policies is a point of contention, even among ardent supporters of the 2nd Amendment... When Romney was governor, the NRA has made-clear that he *increased* gun rights. Quoted:
-Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008) Here is the full quote from your link: “I do support the Second Amendment. I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state. It was a bill worked out, by the way, between pro-gun lobby and anti-gun lobby individuals. Both sides of the issue came together and found a way to provide relaxation in licensing requirements and allow more people to––to have guns for their own legal purposes. So we signed that in Massachusetts, and I’’d support that at the federal level. It did not pass at the federal level. I do not believe we need new legislation. I do not support any new legislation of an assault weapon ban nature, including that against semiautomatic weapons. We have laws in place that, if they’’re implemented & enforced, will provide the protection and the safety of the American people. I do support the right of individuals to bear arms, whether for hunting purposes or for protection purposes or any other reasons. That’’s the right that people have” He outlines that his support for the 2nd Amendment and the AWB he signed in MA was a compromise...Compromise that *needed* to happen. The NRA said it *needed* to happen and GOAL said it *needed* to happen... But he makes clear, back then, in 2008, “...I do not support any new legislation of an assault weapon ban nature...” Romney has certainly moved to the *right* on gun rights... The *right* direction... Quoted:
-I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007) Yeah, he said the equivalent of that, in an attack-piece by Tim Russert, who cried on-air at Obamas inauguration tried tripping Romney up on Romneys move to the *right* on guns. And, to be clear, there isn’t two people who think the exact same thing on the 2nd Amendment... Should a mainstream politician support gun rights for convicted felons on their release from incarceration? If they do or don’t there are folks in the NRA that would agree or disagree with them. Romney was in-line with comparative other “conservative” mainstream politicians in not taking Russerts bait... And, to be clear, there are not two supporters of the 2nd Amendment who *completely* agree on every single aspect or angle of gun ownership... And it is wise for mainstream politicians... Those who want to appeal on a *broad* level to avoid being pigeonholed as a one-issue politician... To be clear, Russert is a douche. Quoted:
-Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007) Same Russert (who cried at Obama’s inauguration) hit-piece. “OK to ban lethal weapons that threaten police” is not found in the full-quote at your link... Again, if you are trying to muddy the water, you might want to make sure that the mud you are flinging is honest and accurate. Otherwise it just muddies *your* message. *Your* message is that Romney’s views towards guns is (your words, upper-case) “absolutely frightening.” When in reality, Romney has moved to the *right* on gun rights... The *right* direction... That, and the NRA has made clear that Romney worked to *increase* gun rights while he was governor... Romney did not say it is “OK to ban lethal weapons that threaten police.” He said, back in 2007, back when Bush II was president, and saying the same exact thing in respons to the anti-gun liberal angle “...And if there is determined to be, from time to time, a weapon of such lethality that it poses a grave risk to our law enforcement personnel, that’s something I would consider signing. There’s nothing of that nature that’s being proposed today in Washington. But I would look at weapons that pose extraordinary lethality.” To be clear, at the time, back in 2007, the angle liberals (Russert is one) were using against conservatives was gun-rights... The conservative response to liberals back then was “I will sign it if it gets to my desk.” Bush II repeated it when liberals tried the tack with him, so did Romney. Romney giving the appropriate Republican response (at the time) to a popular liberal attack at the time does not bother me... Within the context (at the time), and considering that Russert was trying to trip-up Romney on Romneys move to the *right* Romneys response was not out-of-context back in 2007... Back when Bush II was president at the time, and saying the *exact* same thing... To be clear, Romney has since clarified his stance, and has made crystal-clear that he does not support any *new* laws regarding gun ownership. I appreciate that Romney has clarified his pro-gun stance, and I agree... Romney is *right* we do not need any new laws regarding gun ownership... Quoted:
-Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007) Romney is right. The NRA says as much. So does GOAL. Romney *increased* gun rights while governor, according to the NRA. Quoted:
-Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007) Anti-Romney folks seem to like Russerts hit piece... Romney was governor of one of the most, if not the most *democrat* controlled state. They were going to get a gun-ban whether the NRA, or the Republican party had any say or not. Romney acknowledged that he supported the Massachusetts “ban.” And he acknowledged that both parties had “compromise” on it. But the Democrats, if they had their way, would not have included Romney’s and the NRA’s provisions for *increasing* gun rights. Massachucetts got what they wanted... A “ban.” And the Romney and the Republicans and the NRA were able to include provisions for protecting elements of gun rights. I appreciate that Romney included provisions in the MA law for protecting gun rights. I also appreciate that since then, Romney has moved to the *right* on gun rights. Reagan moved to the right the closer he got to the White House, and I am not going to find fault with Romney for doing the same thing. Quoted:
-Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994) ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING Welcome to 1994... Gingrich supported the anti-gun Lautenberg law, and “gun free zones.” And Romney, trying to appeal to the Democrats in Massachucets said he supported gun bans... Welcome to 1994... Gingrich probably does not want to go back to his statements from back then, and neither does Romney... I appreciate that Romney has since clarified his position, and has clearly-stated recently, “My view is that we have the second amendment right to bear arms and my view is also that we should not add new legislation. I know that there are people that think we need new laws. I disagree with that. I believe we have in place all the laws we need. We should enforce those laws. I do not believe in new laws restricting gun ownership and gun use.” -Romney 2012 I can support Romney for moving to the *right* on gun rights. I can support Romney’s position. Cheap-shot hit-pieces aside, Romney has moved in the *right* direction on gun rights, and I support him for it. As for what is (your words) “absolutely frightening” the chance of an Obama 2nd Term is what is frightening to me... Not Romney in the White House... Romney as Governor listened to the NRA. The NRA has made-clear that Romney *increased* gun rights as Governor. Romney has since moved to the *right* on gun rights, and he has assured conservative voters that he would do the same as president... |