[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Libtard Professors (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/30/2012 9:19:38 AM EDT
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags? My modern american lit teacher makes us read all-female authors, and her emphasis is on feminism and race issues. She said she does this to off-set the male-dominated teaching of other teachers  which is bullshit because they are mostly women and teach the same shitShe acts as if the 3 men in a class of 40 own slaves and beat women, and she gives us all dirty looks when she's ranting about her superior pussy power. She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. She gives hell to anyone who disagrees with her, and talks about how class kept all these people down, Marx is probably the only guy that dike would fuck. If she dogs on me again, I'm going to tell her to put a bra on and make me a fucking sandwhich. I hate college  |
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income. 
As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income. As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. That makes sense, thanks for the insight  |
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags? My modern american lit teacher makes us read all-female authors, and her emphasis is on feminism and race issues. She said she does this to off-set the male-dominated teaching of other teachers which is bullshit because they are mostly women and teach the same shitShe acts as if the 3 men in a class of 40 own slaves and beat women, and she gives us all dirty looks when she's ranting about her superior pussy power. She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. She gives hell to anyone who disagrees with her, and talks about how class kept all these people down, Marx is probably the only guy that dike would fuck. If she dogs on me again, I'm going to tell her to put a bra on and make me a fucking sandwhich. I hate college Find a different major that doesn't make you take those classes. My PE department is made up of 80% lesbians....there's 3 women, I think, in the entire dept. that are married/straight. It's just one of those things. |
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Tenure means you don't have to worry about performance evaluations and generating revenue for a company.
Simply put, you don't have to compete. At their core liberals are afraid of competition and teaching at the college level is distinctly devoid of the competition found in the real working world. Hell, even just the concept of the typical college lecture fits this mold. You get one person, typically older, who gets to "talk down" to a classroom full of mush-heads who are more worried about pussy and beer than actually challenging anything Professor Shitbag has to say. It's also why they tend to go shithouse when someone with some life experience speaks up in class. It's a safe haven for those who like to feel important without ever really accomplishing anything, thus populated by libs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income. As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. Just our of curiosity, why did you become a professor? You seem fairly conservative by American standards and I'd wager amongst your countrymen you are probably one of the more conservative Danes. |
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Tenure means you don't have to worry about performance evaluations and generating revenue for a company. Simply put, you don't have to compete. At their core liberals are afraid of competition and teaching at the college level is distinctly devoid of the competition found in the real working world. Oh please, do go on.  About how liberals abhor competition? Sure thing. What part about that confuses you? |
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[/div][div]She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores.[/div][div] That's funny...but seriously just learn to "play the game" when you are there and it will make for a more enjoyable experience overall. I remember taking a 100 level Sociology class. The teacher asked the class what they thought of affirmative action. When a majority of the class voiced their support for affirmative action she exclaimed how pleased she was. That was her first year teaching and she explained that all of the older professors said most kids come to college against affirmative action and that they wanted to change their minds on the matter. Our teacher was very happy that she wouldn't have to put in work to convince everyone of its merits. They were all quite open about it. 
I didn't say much in that class and I think I was a happier person because of it. ETA: When getting into the senior/graduate level courses of my major it was far more enjoyable as the professors appreciated hard work and many had a true love for learning and teaching. A few easily passed up 6 figure jobs to take on their jobs as professors. |
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Quoted: Quoted: She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom. |
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Tenure means you don't have to worry about performance evaluations and generating revenue for a company. Simply put, you don't have to compete. At their core liberals are afraid of competition and teaching at the college level is distinctly devoid of the competition found in the real working world. Oh please, do go on. About how liberals abhor competition? Sure thing. What part about that confuses you? The part where you have absolutely no idea what getting tenure entails. Of course, everyone is an expert. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom.  ETA: Ok I just read the short (seriously it's like 2 pages). That's a dumb fucking story. |
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She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom. Will you get a different professor when you re-take the class next semester?
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Of course, everyone is an expert. Yep, when it comes to understanding the mind, such as it is, of a liberal, I am an expert. The mere concept of tenure is a liberals wet dream. That doesn't mean that everyone who has tenure is a liberal, or that all professors are afraid of competition so don't get all worked up about that. I'm saying the mere concept of having tenure fits right in with the liberal disease. Mix that in with some of the other reasons enumerated above and blamo....you see higher education trending liberal. |
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She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom. Will you get a different professor when you re-take the class next semester?ballsy. I like it. |
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Quoted: She can't fail me, I've been keeping copies of all my quizzes and papers just in case she tries Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom. Will you get a different professor when you re-take the class next semester? |
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income.
As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. Just our of curiosity, why did you become a professor? You seem fairly conservative by American standards and I'd wager amongst your countrymen you are probably one of the more conservative Danes. I HATE financial uncertainty, and I HATE worrying about the future. It's the kind of thing that keeps me awake at night and fills my life with stress. There are very few ways to eliminate that from your life, but I realized when I was an undergrad that one of those very few ways is to be a tenured professor at a large university. So, when I was in my early 20s, I set myself the goal of achieving that financial security, of being a tenured senior professor at a large university.
I managed to get into the top graduate school in my field (partly because of my military experience, I believe  ). The school had 5 spots, and over 100 applicants - not sure how I got one. After 5 years I managed to finish and defend my dissertation. 3 of the other doctoral students had dropped out by then, because it is very difficult, very competitive and very stressful (... and because they could make more money in the consulting business).
Then I was lucky (really lucky) and got a job at one of the really good schools in my field and worked there for 9 years, trying desperately to publish as much as possible in the four or five top empirical research journals in my field. These are the journals that every other academic in my field worldwide are also trying to publish in, and the rejection rate is well over 90%. The life of a junior faculty really kind of sucks - because you are constantly working on research and working long hours, and constantly being rejected from journals (which consists of other academics telling you in great detail how much your research sucks and how stupid you are ). Fortunately, I managed to publish some good stuff in several of the top journals in my field over the years.
Then finally, after 10 years of that, another university offered to hire me (and offered to give me tenure based on my research record - the process of which itself is very complex and time-consuming and competitive), and so that's how I ended up where I am now - finally having achieved the goal of relative financial security as a tenure professor. Of course, that doesn't mean I can stop working on my research. For one thing, if I don't publish a certain amount and stay research active, I will have to teach more (which nobody want to do ), and I will not get additional research funding. Plus, as senior faculty I get sucked into all kinds of administrative bullshit - currently I'm the academic director of one of our programs, and it's involving a ton of fucking work because we are redesigning the curriculum completely.
Right now, instead of wasting time on arfcom, I have one paper I need to be working on for a specialized research journal that they asked for revisions on (journals never ACCEPT papers outright - the best you can hope for is a "revise-and-resubmit" in which they still tell you how much your research sucks and how stupid you are, but they are willing to look at it again if you fix everything they didn't like. Go through a couple of rounds of that, and they might publish it - or they might still reject it and tell you to fuck off). I have two other papers I am working on with two of my colleagues - one of which is currently under review at a different journal - and I'm working on finishing up a textbook that we've been working on for a couple of years. Of course, that's in addition to the teaching I do - which is by far the least difficult and least time-consuming part of my job. |
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Tenure means you don't have to worry about performance evaluations and generating revenue for a company. Simply put, you don't have to compete. At their core liberals are afraid of competition and teaching at the college level is distinctly devoid of the competition found in the real working world. Hell, even just the concept of the typical college lecture fits this mold. You get one person, typically older, who gets to "talk down" to a classroom full of mush-heads who are more worried about pussy and beer than actually challenging anything Professor Shitbag has to say. It's also why they tend to go shithouse when someone with some life experience speaks up in class. It's a safe haven for those who like to feel important without ever really accomplishing anything, thus populated by libs. You have no idea what you are talking about. In fact, the competition is brutal. |
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Of course, everyone is an expert. Yep, when it comes to understanding the mind, such as it is, of a liberal, I am an expert. The mere concept of tenure is a liberals wet dream. That doesn't mean that everyone who has tenure is a liberal, or that all professors are afraid of competition so don't get all worked up about that. I'm saying the mere concept of having tenure fits right in with the liberal disease. Mix that in with some of the other reasons enumerated above and blamo....you see higher education trending liberal. The fact that you use childish terms like "liberal disease" pretty much undermines any attempt on your part to appear clever.
There are fairly good reasons for the institution of tenure at research universities, and it has very little to do with "liberals" being "afraid of competition" or anything like that. The fact that GETTING tenure is extremely difficult and the result of years and often decades of intense competition also sort of contradicts your point. That said, I am generally of the belief that the institution of tenure has been BROADENED to many areas in which it does not belong. I do not agree with tenure for faculty at teaching universities, for example. I believe that tenure is something that should ONLY be granted at research-1 and similar institutions, and I think it is widely abused because it is being granted in places where it is inappropriate. So you and I may share some common ground. Of course, many fellow academics would disagree with me on this.
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income.
As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. THat all makes sense but what makes them adhere to a liberal philosophy? Why is the liberal more inclined to not want to work in the real world than a conservative? |
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income.
As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. THat all makes sense but what makes them adhere to a liberal philosophy? Why is the liberal more inclined to not want to work in the real world than a conservative? I'm not sure of the answer. I think it can be viewed in two different ways. One way of describing it is the more charitable one, in which the liberal is willing to give up money and material benefits in order to pursue a more "noble" career in academia and education. Another way of describing it is the far less charitable one, in which the liberal is afraid of the real world and "hides" in academia which is insular and more "safe" for them. The reality is probably in-between.
I can tell you that some of the most ambitious and hard-working people I have ever met have been in academia. And I've also met some real losers.
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags? My modern american lit teacher makes us read all-female authors, and her emphasis is on feminism and race issues. She said she does this to off-set the male-dominated teaching of other teachers which is bullshit because they are mostly women and teach the same shitShe acts as if the 3 men in a class of 40 own slaves and beat women, and she gives us all dirty looks when she's ranting about her superior pussy power. She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. She gives hell to anyone who disagrees with her, and talks about how class kept all these people down, Marx is probably the only guy that dike would fuck. If she dogs on me again, I'm going to tell her to put a bra on and make me a fucking sandwhich. I hate college Dude, you have so got to play the game! Think chess not checkers. You know you aren't the only person who dispises this prof or her rants. The key is to find the women in the class who think she is loony too (they are there). Then get them in on the prank. Have them all dress scantily one day, and carry your books/stuff into class. Have them pull your chair out, put your book out for you, open it, ask if you need anything else as they open you a drink. If you have any brave ones that don't mind a sexual enuendo have one of them ask if you would like a BJ before or after the class... Watch the prof's head EXPLODE! ETA: good way to meet the ladies in your class too, and to find the sexually open one(s) |
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The fact that you use childish terms like "liberal disease" pretty much undermines any attempt on your part to appear clever. Nothing childish about it when it's accurate. Nor is it an attempt to appear clever. It's reality. Quoted:
That said, I am generally of the belief that the institution of tenure has been BROADENED to many areas in which it does not belong. I do not agree with tenure for faculty at teaching universities, for example. I believe that tenure is something that should ONLY be granted at research-1 and similar institutions, and I think it is widely abused because it is being granted in places where it is inappropriate. So you and I may share some common ground. Of course, many fellow academics would disagree with me on this. I think we can agree on that point, for sure. I'm not suggesting tenure is a necessarily bad thing I'm merely suggesting that the concept of tenure fits neatly into the the general thought process of most libs. Thus, when combined with the reasons you gave earlier, it's not unsurprising that those of the liberal mindset can gravitate towards the field. |
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The fact that you use childish terms like "liberal disease" pretty much undermines any attempt on your part to appear clever. Nothing childish about it when it's accurate. Nor is it an attempt to appear clever. It's reality. But it appears to NOT be reality - but rather a biased and inaccurate perception/stereotype that you appear to have (based on the content of your posts in this thread). I can guarantee you that I can bring up many examples of liberals that I know that defeat the "accuracy" of your simplistic image of "the liberal" No doubt, your response to such examples would be "well, those aren't the TYPICAL liberals" - but that would really only reinforce my point that you are describing a stereotype. Quoted:
That said, I am generally of the belief that the institution of tenure has been BROADENED to many areas in which it does not belong. I do not agree with tenure for faculty at teaching universities, for example. I believe that tenure is something that should ONLY be granted at research-1 and similar institutions, and I think it is widely abused because it is being granted in places where it is inappropriate. So you and I may share some common ground. Of course, many fellow academics would disagree with me on this. I think we can agree on that point, for sure. I'm not suggesting tenure is a necessarily bad thing I'm merely suggesting that the concept of tenure fits neatly into the the general thought process of most libs. Thus, when combined with the reasons you gave earlier, it's not unsurprising that those of the liberal mindset can gravitate towards the field. Right - but I think what I (and others) are telling you is that your perception of what tenure is and how tenure works is inaccurate (which is supported by your earlier statements in this thread). Whatever your profession is, I am sure that laypeople (who are NOT in your profession) probably have misunderstandings about how it works as well, wouldn't you think? If people made judgements about your career, or your peers, based on a limited or incorrect understanding, you'd probably want to correct that as well. |
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Quoted: What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags? My modern american lit teacher makes us read all-female authors, and her emphasis is on feminism and race issues. She said she does this to off-set the male-dominated teaching of other teachers which is bullshit because they are mostly women and teach the same shitShe acts as if the 3 men in a class of 40 own slaves and beat women, and she gives us all dirty looks when she's ranting about her superior pussy power. She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. She gives hell to anyone who disagrees with her, and talks about how class kept all these people down, Marx is probably the only guy that dike would fuck. If she dogs on me again, I'm going to tell her to put a bra on and make me a fucking sandwhich. I hate college Marxism/Leninism and what have you teaches and programs people to think that there are only groups of oppressors and groups of victims. Since you were born with a wang, that instantly means you are not part of her group and therefore the enemy and an oppressor who has caused all of their problems. According to her programming the only course of action is for her and all women to rise up and oppress and destroy all men in every single area of life because again, you are obviously the root cause of all of their problems. It is in effect an end game world view in which fools are convinced that life is like a story in which there is a beginning, middle, and end. This is insane and unrealistic of course as reality doesn't work like that. You don't defeat some evil doer, wrap up all the loose ends and then everyone lives happily ever after. Life goes on forever and doesn't get wrapped up and doesn't just end. Leftists are too stupid to understand that though, they want to live in fantasy land where they can blame all of their own failings on some mysterious group. Its sad that the most Feminists, like your professor, are too stupid to understand that even if they murdered all men and forced all women to become lesbians they would still be miserable screwed up human beings who are incapable and unwilling to look deep inside themselves and see that everything is their own fault.  |
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I can guarantee you that I can bring up many examples of liberals that I know that defeat the "accuracy" of your simplistic image of "the liberal" My commentary on the concept of liberalism doesn't have anything to do with the liberal people you know. I'm sure they are wonderful folks. Doesn't change the fact that the idea of liberalism is screwy and misguided and is akin to a disease. Quoted:
Right - but I think what I (and others) are telling you is that your perception of what tenure is and how tenure works is inaccurate (which is supported by your earlier statements in this thread). Ok...explain to me how my concept that tenure offers a professor the latitude to say things that don't necessarily fall in line with the institutions values without fear of termination is off-base. I understand that people can still be fired and it's not a license to run amok. But it is a level of "protection" afforded professors to ensure them academic freedom and avoid them being pressured to conform to the whims of a dean, school president, etc no? |
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everything i ever had to read in school labeled as a "classic" was in my opinion generally a "classic piece of shit"
i honestly have no idea why people think some stories are so amazing like the metamorphosis by kafka i thought that story was a turd but then on top of that there was a HUGE list of different translations and meanings and shit that i thought was way overdone i always preferred history |
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I can guarantee you that I can bring up many examples of liberals that I know that defeat the "accuracy" of your simplistic image of "the liberal" My commentary on the concept of liberalism doesn't have anything to do with the liberal people you know. I'm sure they are wonderful folks. Doesn't change the fact that the idea of liberalism is screwy and misguided and is akin to a disease. What I am trying to tell you is that the use the term "akin to a disease" (and your stereotypical and inaccurate generalization) to describe a political philosophy different from yours ONLY harms your argument, because it is such a laughable simplification that only demonstrates your closed-mindedness and superficial analysis, nothing else. It is no different from the silly and childish ways that some liberals like to stereotype "conservative" - and I laugh and roll my eyes at both sides. Quoted:
... Ok...explain to me how my concept that tenure offers a professor the latitude to say things that don't necessarily fall in line with the institutions values without fear of termination is off-base. I understand that people can still be fired and it's not a license to run amok. But it is a level of "protection" afforded professors to ensure them academic freedom and avoid them being pressured to conform to the whims of a dean, school president, etc no? Yes and no. The principle of tenure has almost nothing to do with teaching. The entire point of tenure is to allow researchers to be able to pursue research projects that the institution may not approve of - and tenure is only give as a "reward" to those researchers who have over many years demonstrated a track record of high-quality peer-reviewed research being published (in a highly competitive environment), and only as a result of a tenure review by senior faculty at other universities. To me, that is the purpose of tenure - to protect researchers as they build new knowledge and move our understanding of the world forward, and to give them the discretion to study what they want to study (after they've proved themselves as competent researchers). It has little to do with the freedom to "say" things. It's not about the classroom - it's about the lab. And this is why I do not support the granting of tenure to professors at universities/colleges that are primarily teaching institutions. I don't see the purpose of that, since teaching is something that the institution should decide. Individual faculty don't get to decide what the curriculum is in a program, and they SHOULD teach whatever the institution wants them to teach. For faculty to mis-behave in the classroom and hide behind tenure is completely inappropriate, IMO. |
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She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. You did what? We red Chopin's story "The Storm" about a women who fucks another dude while her husband and son are gone to the store. She went on about how the woman made her own decisions for her pleasure, and that it was a happy story because the husband didn't find out and everything was fine. I told her that the woman was a whore and it was sad the guy was married to a slut and that the kid had a whore for a mom. I'd pay fifty bucks to have been sitting in that class and to have seen the look on her face. |
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... Ok...explain to me how my concept that tenure offers a professor the latitude to say things that don't necessarily fall in line with the institutions values without fear of termination is off-base. I understand that people can still be fired and it's not a license to run amok. But it is a level of "protection" afforded professors to ensure them academic freedom and avoid them being pressured to conform to the whims of a dean, school president, etc no? Yes and no. The principle of tenure has almost nothing to do with teaching. The entire point of tenure is to allow researchers to be able to pursue research projects that the institution may not approve of - and tenure is only give as a "reward" to those researchers who have over many years demonstrated a track record of high-quality peer-reviewed research being published (in a highly competitive environment), and only as a result of a tenure review by senior faculty at other universities. To me, that is the purpose of tenure - to protect researchers as they build new knowledge and move our understanding of the world forward, and to give them the discretion to study what they want to study (after they've proved themselves as competent researchers). It has little to do with the freedom to "say" things. It's not about the classroom - it's about the lab. And this is why I do not support the granting of tenure to professors at universities/colleges that are primarily teaching institutions. I don't see the purpose of that, since teaching is something that the institution should decide. Individual faculty don't get to decide what the curriculum is in a program, and they SHOULD teach whatever the institution wants them to teach. For faculty to mis-behave in the classroom and hide behind tenure is completely inappropriate, IMO. Yet, tenure is found in the classroom so while I greatly respect your intellectual honesty to separate research and instruction, it would appear my concept of tenure is dead on. Especially given that most (not all) collage kids interact with professors in a lecture hall and not on a research project (discipline dependent of course). We're talking the reality of tenure, not the principle. The reality is its a protection afforded professors and this protection is in sympathy with liberalism. Thus my point about the concept of tenure being in sync with liberalism and it appealing to those of a liberal bent applies. Quoted:I don't see the purpose of that, since teaching is something that the institution should decide. Individual faculty don't get to decide what the curriculum is in a program, and they SHOULD teach whatever the institution wants them to teach. For faculty to mis-behave in the classroom and hide behind tenure is completely inappropriate, IMO.
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Take things that aren't modern American lit, cookie baking, and other stupid shit like that and you'll find that you won't have to deal with politically biased fucktards.
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Take things that aren't modern American lit, cookie baking, and other stupid shit like that and you'll find that you won't have to deal with biased fucktards. I'm majoring in English Education, it's required. Well, then I'm sorry for your lots. At least you know what wrong looks like and you won't bring it into the classroom when it comes time for you to teach. |
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Take things that aren't modern American lit, cookie baking, and other stupid shit like that and you'll find that you won't have to deal with biased fucktards. I'm majoring in English Education, it's required. Well, then I'm sorry for your lots. At least you know what wrong looks like and you won't bring it into the classroom when it comes time for you to teach. That's exactly why I want to teach
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Edit: Forget it, I should know better - everyone's an expert. Like this Link! money quote? Where first wave studies on the
topic, carried out by sociologists like Paul Lazarsfeld and Seymour Martin Lipset, sought to identify relatively complex patterns of political belief among professors, the distribution of such patterns across fields and institutions, and some of the social mechanisms and processes that might account for them, second wave research, beholden to a political agenda, has had as its major goal to simply highlight the liberalism of the faculty. We have shown that there is more heterogeneity of political opinion among the 72 professoriate than second wave studies have recognized. Although we would not contest the claim that professors are one of the most liberal occupational groups in American society, or that the professoriate is a Democratic stronghold, we have shown that there is a sizable, and often ignored, center/center-left contingent within the faculty that on several important attitude domains – and in terms of overall political orientation – moderatism appears to be on the upswing; that, according to several measures, it is liberal arts colleges, and not elite, PhD granting institutions that house the most liberal faculty; and that there is much disagreement among professors about the role that politics should play in teaching and research. |
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What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags? My modern american lit teacher makes us read all-female authors, and her emphasis is on feminism and race issues. She said she does this to off-set the male-dominated teaching of other teachers which is bullshit because they are mostly women and teach the same shitShe acts as if the 3 men in a class of 40 own slaves and beat women, and she gives us all dirty looks when she's ranting about her superior pussy power. She was preaching to us about her "enlightened women," and she lost her shit when I told her they were all whores. She gives hell to anyone who disagrees with her, and talks about how class kept all these people down, Marx is probably the only guy that dike would fuck. If she dogs on me again, I'm going to tell her to put a bra on and make me a fucking sandwhich. I hate college I had one of those (sadly, she was actually hot to boot) after I got out of the Navy and was finishing up school. She hated me with a passion that rivals the heat of the sun...but she also made sexual advances on me. Talk about confusing....
Seriously, those that can, do. Those that can't or won't, teach (I know, I know...it's not always true). |
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Quoted: I worked for 3 years before coming back to get my PhD.Quoted: What is it with most college teachers being socialist shitbags?[div] The explanation for why most college/university professors is left-wing is for the most part pretty simple. It's because more conservative-minded people that get a bachelor's degree typically tend to be more interested in getting a job, developing more real skills, and making money and having a successful career. (Not saying it's a greed thing - it's a logical and reasonable thing) It's the more liberal people that are more willing to suck up years and years of shitty grad school (instead of having jobs that actually pay money and allow them to live well), just so they can have relatively shitty careers (that are often pretty low-paying) with lots of stress as junior college professors, just in the HOPE of having a successful career and eventually getting a good tenured job (which most do not get). My wife, for example, had a very successful private-sector career, and was well on her way to the C-suite - and then instead decided to go back to graduate school for her doctorate (giving up 5 years of six-figure income while in grad school), just so she could get a super-stressful job as a junior professor that paid LESS than what she was already making in the private sector. Most conservatives would probably not be willing to give that up - I certainly would NEVER have done what she did, because there's no way I would give up that income. As a general rule, there's NO conspiracy or active attempt to NOT HIRE conservatives in academia. There might be a few departments on your typical campus where anyone would care about that (maybe women's studies and anthropology), but it's not something that comes up during the hiring process, and generally nobody cares. Now I spend most of my days reading papers about construction projects which were built before I was born, all while making slightly more than 1/3 of my previous salary. Yes I will admit, I'm REALLY stupid. At least I don't leave work every day wanting to walk out in front of a bus. Yet. ETA::Then again, I'm more libertarian than I am conservative. So maybe there is a ring of truth to it? And yes, I should be reading papers right now...but instead I'm on arfcom. |
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Quoted: SNIP Somewhere in here there's an explanation as to why you've stuck it out so long in academia. You can out yourself to us, DK. Show us on the doll where they touched you down at HR. Or is it that you secretly self-flagellate during office hours, raging masochist that you are? (And you can't deny being a masochist. You moderate this forum.) As an aside, I must know: If you grade written papers in your position, do you tolerate the use of so-called 'sexist terms,' or do you tend to follow the modern conventions against them? |
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Of course, everyone is an expert. Yep, when it comes to understanding the mind, such as it is, of a liberal, I am an expert. The mere concept of tenure is a liberals wet dream. That doesn't mean that everyone who has tenure is a liberal, or that all professors are afraid of competition so don't get all worked up about that. I'm saying the mere concept of having tenure fits right in with the liberal disease. Mix that in with some of the other reasons enumerated above and blamo....you see higher education trending liberal. You hit the nail on the head. |
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SNIP Somewhere in here there's an explanation as to why you've stuck it out so long in academia.
You can out yourself to us, DK. Show us on the doll where they touched you down at HR. Or is it that you secretly self-flagellate during office hours, raging masochist that you are? (And you can't deny being a masochist. You moderate this forum.) No, no - NOW it's cool, because I've got the financial and job security that I set out to get.
As an aside, I must know: If you grade written papers in your position, do you tolerate the use of so-called 'sexist terms,' or do you tend to follow the modern conventions against them? Honestly, I couldn't give two shits. I have never even thought about it, when it comes to grading undergrad or MBA written papers. When I write research papers for academic journals, I try to remember to either be gender-neutral or alternate gender, but it's not really a big thing - just some vague preference in the style manual. I've never had a reviewer or an editor comment on it. Either way, if a paper gets through the publication process, the journal's copy-editors will catch it or fix it when before type-setting. I'm not really that anal-retentive about citations and references when it comes to student papers either. I mean, it's not like they're submitting it to a journal - I (or my TA) just need to be able to see that they understood and can apply the class concepts to the problems posed. As long as I can figure out what their references are, I don't really give a shit what format they use, or whether it's endnotes or footnotes or what the fuck ever. I am sure that if they ever NEED to worry about that stuff, they can look it up pretty easily - but I'm interested in whether or not they can demonstrate mastery of the material, not of formatting. (Of course, if their paper is poorly structured, or has typos, grammatical errors, etc - then I'll still punish them, but that's because it's unprofessional and sloppy, not because it failed to comply with some arbitrary formatting rule) |