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12/22/2011 11:55:19 AM EDT
Howdy,

I want to eliminate this dimmer switch and install a regular three way switch. How do I wire the new switch?


Thanks
12/22/2011 11:57:19 AM EDT
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Carefully.
12/22/2011 11:58:30 AM EDT
[#2]
Ugh... three way switches. I can wire everything up until someone throws in a threeway, then I get all cornfuzzled.
12/22/2011 11:58:51 AM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.
12/22/2011 11:59:48 AM EDT
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Carefully.


Ok copy that! Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on doing it in the most dangerous way possible.
12/22/2011 12:00:22 PM EDT
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Was it originally a three way switch that someone installed an incorrect single pole dimmer?
12/22/2011 12:00:46 PM EDT
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You mean you want to add an additional switch to control the same light that that one controls?
12/22/2011 12:01:05 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.
12/22/2011 12:02:04 PM EDT
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Carefully.


Ok copy that! Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on doing it in the most dangerous way possible.


Glad I could help.  I usually shut the power off at the breaker too, but not always.  
12/22/2011 12:02:26 PM EDT
[#9]
There are two switches. One is a dimmer, the other is a standard three way. I want to remove the dimmer and make it a three way switch
12/22/2011 12:04:04 PM EDT
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That's not wired correctly for a single pole, let alone a three-way arrangement.  Oy vei!  
12/22/2011 12:05:14 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.


Alright, this is what you do. the White wire that is connected to the switch and the black wire coming from the same romex are travelers. Put them on the screw terminals that are the same color (one wire per terminal) then put the other black wire on the terminal that doesn't match the other two. It is often a black screw or copper colored and the other two are odten silver.
12/22/2011 12:06:44 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.



That's an odd set up. Most 3 ways have 3 connections on them. Not just 2 wires jammed onto 1 screw. You'll have to figure out which wire is the hot and which is the traveler and go from there.

diagram
12/22/2011 12:07:50 PM EDT
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That's not wired correctly for a single pole, let alone a three-way arrangement.  Oy vei!  


Sure it is, but the house is not wired for a the three way.
12/22/2011 12:08:45 PM EDT
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This assumes a lot. Better trace out the wires. All proper switching is done on the hot wire (usually black), never the neutral (usually white). I am assuming the white wire on the dimmer is the switch "leg". Confirm it goes to the hot wire of the light. If so I thing all you need to do is untwist the 2 black ones and screw them to the switched poles of the 3-way, then the white goes to the 3rd screw on the switch. No guarantees, so better check it first or get an electrician over. EDIT: looks like postpostban beat me to it. Good call.
12/22/2011 12:09:46 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.


Alright, this is what you do. the White wire that is connected to the switch and the black wire coming from the same romex are travelers. Put them on the screw terminals that are the same color (one wire per terminal) then put the other black wire on the terminal that doesn't match the other two. It is often a black screw or copper colored and the other two are odten silver.


Would that single black wire be my common?
12/22/2011 12:10:10 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.



That's an odd set up. Most 3 ways have 3 connections on them. Not just 2 wires jammed onto 1 screw. You'll have to figure out which wire is the hot and which is the traveler and go from there.

diagram


What the wireman did in this case was strip a bare spot on the hot wire, wraped it around screw and on to next switch. Common practice, saves making another joint.
12/22/2011 12:10:13 PM EDT
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That's not wired correctly for a single pole, let alone a three-way arrangement.  Oy vei!  


Sure it is, but the house is not wired for a the three way.


Wrong. White is never (suppose to not be anyway) used for anything but a neutral. Neutrals do not belong on a switch. TBK is correct.
12/22/2011 12:11:10 PM EDT
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Sorry, in my state code permits white for a switch leg; seen it all the time.
12/22/2011 12:12:55 PM EDT
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Can't unless you pull more wires. That looks to be a single pole switch.


? the other switch that also controls it is a three way.


Alright, this is what you do. the White wire that is connected to the switch and the black wire coming from the same romex are travelers. Put them on the screw terminals that are the same color (one wire per terminal) then put the other black wire on the terminal that doesn't match the other two. It is often a black screw or copper colored and the other two are odten silver.


Would that single black wire be my common?


Yes

12/22/2011 12:14:40 PM EDT
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That's not wired correctly for a single pole, let alone a three-way arrangement.  Oy vei!  


Sure it is, but the house is not wired for a the three way.


Wrong. White is never (suppose to not be anyway) used for anything but a neutral. Neutrals do not belong on a switch. TBK is correct.


You are 100% wrong. I agree it shouldn't be done, but it is legal. the White wire is now required to be marked though.
12/22/2011 12:14:46 PM EDT
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Sorry, in my state code permits white for a switch leg; seen it all the time.


My bad. I live and die by Chicago code. Hell, we can't even put in romex here. No surprise there though...

12/22/2011 12:14:54 PM EDT
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That's not wired correctly for a single pole, let alone a three-way arrangement.  Oy vei!  


Sure it is, but the house is not wired for a the three way.


Wrong. White is never (suppose to not be anyway) used for anything but a neutral. Neutrals do not belong on a switch. TBK is correct.


White wire is commonly used for switch leg or travelers in residential work. Rule of thumb is a neutral is always white but a white is not always a neutral.

< retired electrician.
12/22/2011 12:19:23 PM EDT
[#23]
I got it wired up and its working. Thanks guys, I really appreciate it
12/22/2011 12:28:55 PM EDT
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Mark the traveler with red tape in case somebody wants to change something in the future.
12/22/2011 12:52:46 PM EDT
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Mark the traveler with red tape in case somebody wants to change something in the future.


This.  Go to the hardware store and get a 5 roll pack, green, red, yellow, white, and blue.  This will solve years of wiring issues and prevent headaches.