[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bullying will continue until... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/9/2011 7:15:22 PM EDT
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends.
As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. |
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My kid was pulling his trumpet case down off of a shelf in school yesterday. As he dropped his arm and the case to his side, the trumpet case hit the leg of the kid next to him. He apologized, but the kid went and told a teacher that my son "hit him with his trumpet". My son spent the next 20 minutes in the hallway with the teacher re-enacting what happened and explaining that it was an accident and not bullying, which he was flatly accused of because there was "physical contact" between the two.
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The punch him in the mouth technique worked for me. Got suspended for it, but people left me the fuck alone once they knew I'd fight back. Problem is schools don't handle it internally anymore. it's immediately sent to the SRO and 9.9 times out of 10 both kids (if the other one defends himself) are arrested and spend the night in juvy. They're trying to remove self preservation from kids instincts... 
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The punch him in the mouth technique worked for me. Got suspended for it, but people left me the fuck alone once they knew I'd fight back. Problem is schools don't handle it internally anymore. it's immediately sent to the SRO and 9.9 times out of 10 both kids (if the other one defends himself) are arrested and spend the night in juvy. They're trying to remove self preservation from kids instincts...
what high school did you go to? my high school if you got caught fighting you went to the student affairs dean and either got suspended or detention or both. Unless someone fucked up good and there was physical injury requiring medical treatment, police were never involved ever 
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While I completely agree with the above sentiment (and teach my sons the same), had I attempted to fight back against one of my 7th grade bullies, I would have been put in the hospital.
That being said, meeting up with another of my junior high bullies a.few.years back, and towering over him as he apologized profusely was priceless. (For what its worth, I wasn't unpopular, just a normal kid, and I hold zero grudges against anyone I went to school with.) |
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| i had a bully(ing) problem in school. same guy for a few years. we got off at the same bus stop. one day i told him that if he ever bullied me again, i would put him in intensive care. i would break him limbs. all of them. i said "i will beat you till you can't move, then go home and get a hammer and break you arms and legs and your fingers. i won't kill you, but you won't be in school for a few weeks." he never bullied me after that. no one else did either. it was a very nice change. |
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The punch him in the mouth technique worked for me. Got suspended for it, but people left me the fuck alone once they knew I'd fight back. Yep. I hit puberty early, second tallest kid in my elementary school in 5th grade, probably over a hundred kids in my class. Come middle school, we were pitched in with all the other elementary schools into one big middle school, and I was big and akward and had zits, plus my parents wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars putting me into trendy clothes and shoes like some kid's dumbass parents did. I got picked on for a while until one day I punched one of the "cool kids" right in the fucking mouth, split his lip, broke a front tooth, and knocked him ass over tea kettle down a flight of stairs with one punch. I didn't get picked on after that though. 
Got a 5 day suspension for it, back in the '90's. These days they'd probably go straight to expulsion. My son is 16 months old, I'm wondering what school is going to be like now in our brain-dead pantywaist culture. I won't let my son be indoctrinated into being a pussy. |
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YUp its stupid. As a kid in 8th grade I got bullied.. I was dorky, taller than the other kids.. not good at sports, and was more interested in playing with electronics then the basketball team. I would run from fights because I was afraid of getting beat up. In catholic school mind you.. I had a nun tell me to fight back.. telling me she was tired of seeing them pick on me. Next time it went down, I beat the kid hard.. was shocked at my own strength.. lol To this day I remember seeing the kid with a bloody mouth crying yelling at me "Why did you do this to me" lol the nun who told me to stick up for myself, told him "Because you have been bothering him for the whole year" hahah it was classic. And what do ya know.. the kid and I became friends after all. This zero tolerance crap and the anti bulling crap is garbage. |
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I agree zero tolerance on anything can cause some serious issues, this is how kids get expelled for having a butter knife in their car, the schools have no discretion.
Kids going to juvy for fighting is bull shit, there kids it happens don't criminalize them. I remember when I was in school on the bus one day, this kid kept flicking my ears, so I turned around whopped him in the mouth, so he stopped started crying and went to the bus driver, the driver told him I saw you picking on the kid that hit you, IMO you got what you deserved. The kid was a little shit anyway, it straightened his ass out, the bus driver stopped me on the way off the bus an asked why I waited so long to punch him. I know another time in high school this shit head transfer student clipped me with a bat after phyed for no reason at all, I turned around and gave yelled at him, he swung, I swung back knocked him on his ass. He goes to the principle saying I was raciest, because he was black and I was white. The principle knowing the kid was piece of shit and soon be in prison, did some investigating to find out that he started it. I got called into his office as well and he talked to me, told me they found out he started it, and that nothing would be happening to me for defending my self. Although all this happened more than 10 years ago, so things have changed now I am sure, but I rarely got bulled, and I didn't bully anyone else, but then again when I did get hit, I felt I was justified in defending myself, knowing that my family and the school would probably back me up. |
| I used to get bullied quite a bit in elementary school. Once I switched from an "ignore them/don't get in a fight" attitude like the school administrators preached to a "swing first and swing hard" approach once a fight became unavoidable, the bullying stopped pretty quickly. |
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I had this fairy tale concept of standing up to bullies until we had a classmate that stood up to a group of Black "bullies". They decided to follow him home smash up his face a little... then proceeded to destroy the windows and tires of his parents 3 vehicles. OH! and he was viciously harassed for the rest of the school year until his family moved. Can't prove something if your laying unconscious in a pool of your own bloody teeth  This isn't the good-ole days. You're dealing with young men who have long juvenile rap sheets. Less this  More this  |
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I have a 12 year old and a 15 year old. Thank goodness they're both really cool guys and very likeable and popular, so they have never had a problem getting bullied. Maybe the fact that they frequently wear their Chattanooga Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy T shirts to school helps, too.
I take that back. The older one did have one problem when he was about 10. The class had been studying the Civil War, and a black kid was picking at my boy because his name is Jefferson Davis (after a famous relative). It started out as taunting, and then the kid kicked my boy in the leg a couple of times. Jeff told me about it, and I went to the principal's office and told her she knew Jeff well enough to know that he didn't care what people said, but that she also knew me well enough to know that I wasn't going to tolerate anyone touching him, and that he was getting pretty good at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. She had them both in the office that day, and explained to Omar that he might end up getting hurt if he kept it up. That was the end of that. |
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The punch him in the mouth technique worked for me. Got suspended for it, but people left me the fuck alone once they knew I'd fight back. Problem is schools don't handle it internally anymore. it's immediately sent to the SRO and 9.9 times out of 10 both kids (if the other one defends himself) are arrested and spend the night in juvy. They're trying to remove self preservation from kids instincts...
Didn't have SROs in Lebanon,NH in the early eighties. 
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A kid bullied me in 4th, 5th, and 6th grade who was a couple years older than I was. Nobody helped me, the police didn't even do anything, even after he broke my collar bone when he hit me with a bat at the bus stop. The dude ended up stealing a car and going to jail his sophomore year in high school. A year or two after I graduated high school my friend (also bullied by the guy) saw him working at a gas station and gave me a call. We waited across the street in a parking lot for his shift to end. Then paid him a visit. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Yeah, uh, you do know there was bullying in schools before zero tolerance existed...........................................................right?
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Bullying serves a few very important purposes:
Social conditioning (this may or may not be a good thing) Offensive/defensive physical and mental training Preparation for the real world Sheltered kids are not good adults. I read an article a while back (in Discover magazine maybe?) about how sheltered kids who were never bullied or never had family issues etc. were unhappy as adults because they felt no sense of improvement throughout the course of their life (among other reasons). ETA: Of course it can become destructive at some point, but so can anything else. |
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Our old gym teacher had a novel approach to such problems...called boxing..just let the troublemakers beat the shit out of each other in class....you get in a tiff with some other kid anywhere near the gym teacher..you got to settle your differences like gentlemen..with a pair of boxing gloves...and a lot of the teachers would bail on class to watch...
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I was a mean little bastard in school because I was young for my grade and small for my age... and got picked on a fair amount. The only way for me to have a remotely peaceful experience was to fight dirty enough that picking on me became undesirable. It only took one combination lock to the side of the head for assholes to seek easier entertainment elsewhere.
Teachers are fucking worthless at preventing bullying. I will teach my son to defend himself. With the 100% clear understanding that our family rules trump school rules and that he is to defend himself. Dickless administrators can piss off. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Yeah, uh, you do know there was bullying in schools before zero tolerance existed...........................................................right? There is a big difference between teasing and bullying. I think today there is a tendancy to declare all kinds of harmless teasing as bullying. I always felt bullying involved violence, pushing, punching, stuffing someone's head in a toilet. |
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A kid bullied me in 4th, 5th, and 6th grade who was a couple years older than I was. Nobody helped me, the police didn't even do anything, even after he broke my collar bone when he hit me with a bat at the bus stop. The dude ended up stealing a car and going to jail his sophomore year in high school. A year or two after I graduated high school my friend (also bullied by the guy) saw him working at a gas station and gave me a call. We waited across the street in a parking lot for his shift to end. Then paid him a visit. I hope it went well for both of you, and bad for him. I was bullied a little in HS, but it was mostly just horseplay that maybe went a little to far. I grew up in a very rural area so for the most part, bulling wasn't an issue. I had a couple of fights, a couple of wins and a couple of looses. No big deal. Some of the old bullies I see now are very humble and fat. Living better is revenge in and of itself. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Yeah, uh, you do know there was bullying in schools before zero tolerance existed...........................................................right? There is a big difference between teasing and bullying. I think today there is a tendancy to declare all kinds of harmless teasing as bullying. I always felt bullying involved violence, pushing, punching, stuffing someone's head in a toilet. So, none of that happened before the early 2000's? 
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one day at recess in middle school me and a couple kids were throwing a homemade tape ball. dufus missed catching the ball and it hit him in the face and he blamed it on me i got suspended for a day. next day back the baseball coach asked me if i needed some extra long toss at practice so i dont have the urge to during recess, ha
its funny how the kids that were "big and bad" back then and thought they were all that are the ones that now are low life trash hating life... it all comes full circle. |
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I'm not trying to disagree with you. Just pointing out I think the definition of bullying has gone a bit soft in recent years. As the rules change kids are going to adapt and find the loopholes. Punching gets you suspended, so they've changed tactics.
What happened to me occured in the early to mid 80s. |
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Our old gym teacher had a novel approach to such problems...called boxing..just let the troublemakers beat the shit out of each other in class....you get in a tiff with some other kid anywhere near the gym teacher..you got to settle your differences like gentlemen..with a pair of boxing gloves...and a lot of the teachers would bail on class to watch... our gym teacher didn't go to that extent, but he didn't rush to break up a fight either, especially if one of the kids really had it coming there was one time when two girls were rumored to be fighting in the hall and I saw him running saying he had to see it |
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I hate zero tolerance bullshit. I remember two times while I was in school where I really wanted to kick some ass but didn't.
First, in jr. high I had a group of 3 asians that liked to pick on me since I was white and didn't have any friends in the class. They used to say stupid shit in korean and punch me in my legs. Pretty gay shit but it still annoyed me. It didn't hurt and I figured it was worse to beat the shit out of them and get my mom upset than just take it. Second was in high school. I had to share a gym locker with an urban youth and the fucker stole my gym shorts. We could buy whatever shorts we wanted for gym class and my parents bought me a $20 pair of adidas shorts. I was pissed because I knew my parents worked hard to get me them and that I wouldn't be able to participate in class until I got another pair of shorts. Unfortunately I had to use an old pair for the rest of the year and I didn't get to bash his skull in . Fuck I still hate that guy and if I saw him I would beat his ass for that. |
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Back in the "good old days" when a teacher found a kid that was a habitual dickhead, they could take care of the problem with a good old wooden paddle ass whippin' out in the hallway where half the school could see. It was effective.
It was not child abuse, it was discipline. The schools lack that now. Society in general lacks that now. I was a pretty decent kid in school, but boys will be boys. NEVER, did I ever feel that I was abused when a teacher whipped my ass. Every one I got, I probably had coming. At the very worst, for something I was gonna do, or got away with the time before
I've tried to teach my almost 15 year old boy to keep his yap shut, keep a low profile and do what his teachers ask. Any bullying shit can be taken care of when school is over. The opportunity will present itself. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Same here.. I must have been in 20 fights with those who thought "a little less of me" then they thought of themselves, between Kindergarten and HS Graduation, Yes, I was suspended several times, but I never had to fight the same asshole twice.. They seemed to have a different outlook towards me after an official match of Fisticuffs... If I could say one thing to today's young folks...I would offer our youth this statement from my heart... IF all other measures have been exhausted and IF deployed at the proper time, Never forget, Rightfully Measured VIOLENCE WILL SOLVE EVERY ISSUE KNOWN TO MAN!! |
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Zero tolerance was so bad at my school that I once got punched in the eye and I got detention for it. I got punished for getting punched.
Then again, I damn near blinded a guy with a soda once, and they didn't do anything to me. The guy had it coming. Maybe they gave him detention
That is so ass backwards. I never thought of how messed up my school was until today.
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Same here.. I must have been in 20 fights with those who thought "a little less of me" then they thought of themselves, between Kindergarten and HS Graduation, Yes, I was suspended several times, but I never had to fight the same asshole twice.. They seemed to have a different outlook towards me after an official match of Fisticuffs... If I could say one thing to today's young folks...I would offer our youth this statement from my heart... IF all other measures have been exhausted and IF deployed at the proper time, Never forget, Rightfully Measured VIOLENCE WILL SOLVE EVERY ISSUE KNOWN TO MAN!! QFT I was a geek in jr. high (still am) but, my father taught me some pretty important lessons. If a man (or boy in this case) has decided he wants a piece of you, give him the whole thing. Don't push each other around for half an hour. If a boy says "I'm gonna kick your ass" you should believe him and act appropriately, in fact, don't even let finish the sentence. It should sound like "I'm gonna kick yoummmmmmmmffffffff" as he's sucking blood back into his mouth. This served me well in school. Jocks usually only fucked with me once, each, slow learners. I got suspended a few times but, I never lived in fear. Plus, I had a few good mates who would lay down down in traffic for me, that helps for the "after the fight, fight." Hit hard, hit first, don't stop until the threat is gone. |
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Pussification of America...when will it end?
I feel the "zero tolerance" bullshit is mainly due to the fucking lazy ass, no balls, teachers and faculty not willing to due there job. If a kid nowdays pulled some of the shit I did in school, they'd be in prison. |
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Pussification of America...when will it end? I feel the "zero tolerance" bullshit is mainly due to the fucking lazy ass, no balls, teachers and faculty not willing to due there job. If a kid nowdays pulled some of the shit I did in school, they'd be in prison. Bullshit, it's litigation that's fucked the schools up, not laziness. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. Yeah, uh, you do know there was bullying in schools before zero tolerance existed...........................................................right? There is a big difference between teasing and bullying. I think today there is a tendancy to declare all kinds of harmless teasing as bullying. I always felt bullying involved violence, pushing, punching, stuffing someone's head in a toilet. Kinda this. The real problem, is that the schools pussify the shit out of kids, and consequently, things that wouldn't have even bothered most kids 10 years ago (calling a non gay kid "fag") are now causing kids to hang themselves because they don't feel like they have any other options. If you fight the prick, you're going to jail. If you tell on them, you'll be given the by everyone in school, and more than likely nothing will come of it.
A lot of awkward kids end up either hurting themselves, because they've been pussified and don't see any other options. Or they internalize the shit till they decide to grab dad's tec 9 and murder some kid who called them a fag. I'm not saying schools need to allow fighting, but it shouldn't be something that reflects on you for the rest of your life (misdemeanor or felony assault) I knew plenty of kids who got hauled away for fighting in school, and most of them ended up on parole and expelled because of it. I know of a guy who was beat to death in a grocery store parking lot because the kids didn't want to fight at school, because they didn't want to get arrested. I knew two kids who wouldnt stand up for themselves, one ended up putting a .38 in his mouth, the other jumped off a bridge. |
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the zero tolerance for fighting in school ends. As long as kids are prosecuted for defending themselves, their two options are, take it like a bitch, or fight off school grounds where there's no one to break it up and make sure it doesn't go too far. Tired of all this anti bully bullshit. I got bullied as a kid, and pop a couple kids in the mouth, and I got detention a few times and suspended once. but I never hung myself or killed another kid over it. fucking stupid liberal bullshit. that is all. I had a discussion about "zero tolerance' for fighting. I've told the Principal in no uncertain terms that if my daughter is punished for legitimately defending herself, I will sue the school district for interfering with her legitimate rigth to self defense. If she is ever injured because she fears punishment, I will personally see those responsible have an extremely unpleasant life one way or another. I call these policies "zero intelligence" policies. You cannot make blanket judgements over a huge variety of circumstances. |
| Zero tolerance is stupid, but high school kids are pretty violent. I've represented 14 year olds who beat up drug dealers to steal their drugs, stole cars and burglarized homes. I'd think twice before telling little Joey from a normal home to sock these guys in the mouth. |
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Pussification of America...when will it end? I feel the "zero tolerance" bullshit is mainly due to the fucking lazy ass, no balls, teachers and faculty not willing to due there job. If a kid nowdays pulled some of the shit I did in school, they'd be in prison. Bullshit, it's litigation that's fucked the schools up, not laziness. Sue happy, bitchy, and lousy parents that won't discipline their kids. The zero tolerance stuff lacks any common sense and is just utterly stupid. But you weren't allowed to fight in school and there was bullying long before it existed. |
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Zero tolerance is stupid, but high school kids are pretty violent. I've represented 14 year olds who beat up drug dealers to steal their drugs, stole cars and burglarized homes. I'd think twice before telling little Joey from a normal home to sock these guys in the mouth. Seriously.... fortunately, not an issue at my local schools (knock on wood). |
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I guess I must have been right at the tail end of "the good ole days" when you could fight without the cops showing up (graduated HS in '07). I used to get picked on a lot, and eventually I joined the school boxing club (yes, they did have one - it was run by an old priest) and that improved my fighting skills. Later on in my sophomore year of HS, I got into a fight with a kid who was bothering me and left his face black and blue and was suspended for a week (almost expelled). The rest of the school pretty much got the message that I didn't want to be fucked with. Never had a problem after that I agree that the zero tolerance rules regarding fighting are complete BS. Boys can't work it out the way they should and always have, and pressure builds up until the bullied kid commits suicide or shoots up the school. The problem is, our country has been so pussified that I think most people will never see it this clearly Oh, FYI - I saw one of my bullies from HS at the University last year...he's still much taller than me but lets just say he's "filled out" and hangs out with the loser crowd - karma's a bitch haha  |
| I grew up and still live in a very small town in north Texas (5-6k people). I have a six year old boy who is very tall and very athletic for his age. I figured he wouldnt have to put up other kids picking on him, but one day he came home and said he didn't want to go back to school because a kid in his class was pushing him around. I explained to him that there was a very good, almost 100% chance that he would end up graduating from this very same school district with most of the kids he's in school with now and the things he did now would pay off later in life. I also told him that if I ever found out that he picked a fight at school I would beat his ass, but at the same time, if I found out he ran from a fight I would beat his ass even harder. I went and talk to the female principle at his school (who I've known for years) and explained my view on this bullying BS. Well.....It happened, my 6 year old was getting pushed around by a 9 year old on the playground......and my boy lit this kid up one time in the nose right in front of a teacher. I got called to the school about the incident. I sat down with my kid in front of the principle in private and had him tell us both the story. Short story long, he got a high five from me and the principle. |
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The punch him in the mouth technique worked for me. Got suspended for it, but people left me the fuck alone once they knew I'd fight back. Problem is schools don't handle it internally anymore. it's immediately sent to the SRO and 9.9 times out of 10 both kids (if the other one defends himself) are arrested and spend the night in juvy. They're trying to remove self preservation from kids instincts...
nah, get them a violent criminal charge at a young age and it barrs them from owning guns....its a conspiracy I tell ya! It took the Libtards 20+ years to make society the way it is now, they are in the works of stage two. patient mother fuckers they are, I will give them that
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In 1998, 9th grade, I was jumped from behind by a kid in the locker room. The coach pulled him off really quick, and there were no injuries. I got 3 days of in-school suspension for fighting. He got 5 days. We both got a ticket from the police for fighting. He got his taken care of because his dad was a cop. My parents got to pay $200 in a fine and court costs. I'm going to train my kids to do a one-two: kick to the crotch and a punch to the face. |
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I used to beat my brothers bullies up then beat him up for letting himself be bullied We both turned out fine.
Fighting is good to a certian extent, no one hands you anything in life you have to go out and fight for it yourself. Want a job? Go beat the other cantidates. I'm betting 99% of these non bullied kids will turn out to be cry baby 99%ers. Really it makes sense from a goverment standpoint, create a society that depends on your protection from day 1 and they'll be your loyal sheep for the rest of thier life since they can't function on thier own. |