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12/7/2011 6:56:49 AM EDT
I live in a small town 30min from a small city. We recently had a restaurant open up, which is basically a poor man's version of a popular chain. The owners are nice, but calling them ghetto would be a compliment. My family has been eating there about once a week because our kids like it and go to school with the owner's children. That being said, I recently found out from an acquaintance, that this family comes into Sam's Club (where the acquaintance is an employee) once a week and buys $200 worth of their main ingredient on their Lone Star Card (Texas food stamps...). This leads me to believe that the family is, at least partially, financing their business venture with government handouts. How does this work? If they are losing money on their business, can they qualify for assistance? Also, how the hell does a family of 5 get $800 a month for groceries??!!!

Discuss.
12/7/2011 6:59:50 AM EDT
[#1]
I hate welfare leeches, but this sounds like small town gossip, and a real-time reminder to MYOFB.
12/7/2011 7:11:19 AM EDT
[#2]


12/7/2011 7:13:02 AM EDT
[#3]


i bet their loan/grant application would make for some interesting reading too.






12/7/2011 7:14:11 AM EDT
[#4]
I actually don't have a problem with this.  If you are going to abuse the system this is on the lower end of the abuse scale.

A little off the books activity is normal for a small business.  Better then them going belly up.

12/7/2011 7:16:04 AM EDT
[#5]
I'd narc on them.  Maybe film them at Sam's Club, call a local tv station
12/7/2011 7:17:31 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I actually don't have a problem with this.  If you are going to abuse the system this is on the lower end of the abuse scale.

A little off the books activity is normal for a small business.  Better then them going belly up.



Know how I know your not in the top several tax brackets
12/7/2011 7:21:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Having a restaurant doesn't mean you're still not broke as fuck.

They're probably just breaking even at best.
12/7/2011 7:27:42 AM EDT
[#8]
Lots of smaller restaurants shop at Costco and Sam's club. Unless you know first hand that they are buying food for resale with welfare money, I wouldn't say anything. I'd keep my eyes open, but wouldn't repeat rumors.
12/7/2011 7:29:18 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I actually don't have a problem with this.  If you are going to abuse the system this is on the lower end of the abuse scale.

A little off the books activity is normal for a small business.  Better then them going belly up.



Know how I know your not in the top several tax brackets


I'm in the restaurant industry.  That should esplain my motivations.  
12/7/2011 7:40:15 AM EDT
[#10]
Meh, at least they work and pay some taxes.  I don't approve, but I'd focus my welfare hatred elsewhere.
12/7/2011 7:47:37 AM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:


I hate welfare leeches, but this sounds like small town gossip, and a real-time reminder to MYOFB.


Gonna go with this.



 
12/7/2011 7:50:47 AM EDT
[#12]
This .gov handout is probably creating more jobs than any other gov program
12/7/2011 7:54:53 AM EDT
[#13]
Rumors most of the time are bullshit.
12/7/2011 7:57:09 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Meh, at least they work and pay some taxes.  I don't approve, but I'd focus my welfare hatred elsewhere.


Taxes? Depends on how many sets of books they keep.

12/7/2011 7:58:53 AM EDT
[#15]


Randolph, Randolph, we're back in business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/7/2011 8:01:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
I hate welfare leeches, but this sounds like small town gossip, and a real-time reminder to MYOFB.


This.
12/7/2011 8:06:52 AM EDT
[#17]
Is it actually their "card" or do they buy a $200 card from a "recipient" for $100 bucks (who will then buy 100 worth of alcohol or drugs) ?
12/7/2011 8:07:18 AM EDT
[#18]
I've seen people load up on groceries at Sam's, pay with Lonestar Card and wheel the cart out to their taco van.

12/7/2011 8:11:23 AM EDT
[#19]
If true it is fraud.    After looking at my last quarters taxes, fuck them for stealing from me.  (Again, if true.)
12/7/2011 8:48:45 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Having a restaurant doesn't mean you're still not broke as fuck.

They're probably just breaking even at best.


This is my thought as well. I didn't give specific info because I have no intention to give them grief. It very well may be a vicious rumor, but I wouldn't think my source would make it up. My main gripe is how a family with three kids can spend $800 a month on groceries! I have three myself, and we eat well, spending around $5-600 a month.

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12/7/2011 8:58:58 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
I hate welfare leeches, but this sounds like small town gossip, and a real-time reminder to MYOFB.



I think ... this.

12/7/2011 9:00:39 AM EDT
[#22]
Cash business.

On paper.......they are dirt poor.
12/7/2011 9:05:54 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Lots of smaller restaurants shop at Costco and Sam's club. Unless you know first hand that they are buying food for resale with welfare money, I wouldn't say anything. I'd keep my eyes open, but wouldn't repeat rumors.


in the early years I think Sams pretty much was for businesses only or at least catered to them. I know when my mom got her membership she had to show that she had a business, in fact my membership card still lists the business name on it since I haven't had to replace it
12/7/2011 9:08:39 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
I hate welfare leeches, but this sounds like small town gossip, and a real-time reminder to MYOFB.


12/7/2011 9:11:35 AM EDT
[#25]
do they have an Escalade?
12/7/2011 9:28:20 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
do they have an Escalade?


No, they do not drive anything nice. They also dress very poor.

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12/7/2011 9:33:49 AM EDT
[#27]
I believe it was Reagan who said, "Trust, but verify."

You're taking a rumor as if it were gospel.  If it bothers you that much, find out if its even true first.

Even so, a business running family doing a restaurant like you describe probably ISN'T making a lot of money. There's a good chance they do fall into the bracket that is eligible for food stamps- and lots of people shop for groceries at Sams Club and Costco besides. I have no problem with the people who need welfare using it- it's there for them.

I despise leeching off the food stamps system as much and probably more than most, but they're clearly working and generating jobs... and even if its entirely family run, at least they're working.
12/7/2011 9:34:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.
12/7/2011 9:45:36 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?
12/7/2011 10:01:15 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.
12/7/2011 10:04:33 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.



The tamale lady isn't knocking down $50k a year.

Either way she's going to be too poor to feed herself.

She either works a shit job for herself, or a shit job for someone else.
12/7/2011 10:07:46 AM EDT
[#32]
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Better then them going belly up.


Wrong. If a business can't operate without lying, cheating, or stealing from the taxpayers at gunpoint, it means that people are not willing to buy enough of their products to support a legitimate business, which means that the resources and funds used by the business could be put to better use somewhere else or by someone else. We'd all be a little better off if these (alleged) thieves shut down their business and moved on to actually-profitable endeavors.
12/7/2011 10:08:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.



The tamale lady isn't knocking down $50k a year.

Either way she's going to be too poor to feed herself.

She either works a shit job for herself, or a shit job for someone else.


So a little theft is okay if she has a good excuse?  It is a business with the same requirements, overhead, taxation, and so forth rules as every one else. Fraud is fraud and if the tamle lady is using welfare to fund her business, she is stealing from the taxpayer and, by extension, me.
12/7/2011 10:11:42 AM EDT
[#34]
So she closes her tamale cart, sells everything and finds a job cleaning houses, all she's qualified to do.

She still collects the same government benefits and spends it exactly the same way each week.

How is that any better?
12/7/2011 10:13:44 AM EDT
[#35]
Sounds like a variation of the old saying there's a fool born every minute and two to take 'em

Rush had a listener on that claimed the war on poverty has cost nearly what our national debt is.

Jesus said you'll never get raid of the poor....past that is our dilemma.
12/7/2011 10:15:41 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
So she closes her tamale cart, sells everything and finds a job cleaning houses, all she's qualified to do.

She still collects the same government benefits and spends it exactly the same way each week.

How is that any better?


Because if we make a point to address fraud, all fraud, intstead of letting fraud go as being "unimportant" then fraud will hopefully go down and the cost in general will go down.  Of course, there should be no welfare in the first place, but politicians have to buy votes somewhere.

12/7/2011 10:16:52 AM EDT
[#37]
12/7/2011 10:17:10 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.



The tamale lady isn't knocking down $50k a year.

Either way she's going to be too poor to feed herself.

She either works a shit job for herself, or a shit job for someone else.


So a little theft is okay if she has a good excuse?  It is a business with the same requirements, overhead, taxation, and so forth rules as every one else. Fraud is fraud and if the tamle lady is using welfare to fund her business, she is stealing from the taxpayer and, by extension, me.


Pathetic isn't it, and what's so funny is (not really but you have to laugh) is it is now mainstream to believe this tripe.
12/7/2011 10:18:29 AM EDT
[#39]




Quoted:

Having a restaurant doesn't usually means you're still not broke as fuck.



They're probably just breaking even at best.


Fixt.



There's a saying in the restaurant industry:  How do you end up with $1 million from a restaurant?  Start with $2 million.
12/7/2011 10:19:20 AM EDT
[#40]
Big business does the same shit on a larger scale, the only difference is that these people don't make campaign contributions.  Whatever.  Doesn't change anthing either way.
12/7/2011 10:23:33 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Big business does the same shit on a larger scale, the only difference is that these people don't make campaign contributions.  Whatever.  Doesn't change anthing either way.


Yep over spending has no consequences
12/7/2011 11:01:27 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
I believe it was Reagan who said, "Trust, but verify."

You're taking a rumor as if it were gospel.  If it bothers you that much, find out if its even true first.

Even so, a business running family doing a restaurant like you describe probably ISN'T making a lot of money. There's a good chance they do fall into the bracket that is eligible for food stamps- and lots of people shop for groceries at Sams Club and Costco besides. I have no problem with the people who need welfare using it- it's there for them.

I despise leeching off the food stamps system as much and probably more than most, but they're clearly working and generating jobs... and even if its entirely family run, at least they're working.


This is why I posted this topic. Is it legal if they qualify for assistance? Like I stated before, I am not going to do anything about it, if I were to start addressing the issues of welfare fraud on my own, they would be far from the top of my list.
12/7/2011 11:24:28 AM EDT
[#43]
Would rathe see them using the LS card to start a business and employ a person or two then for them to sit on their ass and eat Twinkies.
12/7/2011 12:26:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
This .gov handout is probably creating more jobs than any other gov program


Worth pondering I think.

SS
12/7/2011 12:30:52 PM EDT
[#45]
If they are buying foodstuff with EBT and selling it is purely fraud.

If they are getting 800 a month on that EBT there needs to be a change

because that is way too much!
12/7/2011 1:29:50 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.


We fund every other business with tax money!
12/7/2011 5:00:25 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Common knowledge around here that just about every taco truck and tamale lady is funding their business with food stamp money.



I really don't see the problem.

If the tamale lady was the cleaning lady, she would still qualify for the same shit.

What difference does it make?


The problem is that she is using what is intended to feed her because she is allegedly too poor to feed herself to subsidize a money making enterprise.  This is fraud and theft.  We, the taxpayer, are funding her business.


We fund every other business with tax money!


You should get some.

12/7/2011 5:07:00 PM EDT
[#48]
While I do not agree with this sort of activity...I can understand why they may be doing it.

I would hope it is just a rumor.
12/7/2011 5:09:27 PM EDT
[#49]
Not necessarily, a lot of people sell their food stamps. For example someone will sell $100 worth of food stamps for $40 in cash.

The owners may be doing the above, which would be pretty hard to prove unless you could catch them at the store using the card.
12/7/2011 5:15:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
I live in a small town 30min from a small city. We recently had a restaurant open up, which is basically a poor man's version of a popular chain. The owners are nice, but calling them ghetto would be a compliment. My family has been eating there about once a week because our kids like it and go to school with the owner's children. That being said, I recently found out from an acquaintance, that this family comes into Sam's Club (where the acquaintance is an employee) once a week and buys $200 worth of their main ingredient on their Lone Star Card (Texas food stamps...). This leads me to believe that the family is, at least partially, financing their business venture with government handouts. How does this work? If they are losing money on their business, can they qualify for assistance? Also, how the hell does a family of 5 get $800 a month for groceries??!!!

Discuss.


You should be more worried that the Fed. Gov. is in talks right now to allow food stamps to be used for prepared food (aka. restaurants).  Because, according to the NAACP, eating out is a right...
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