Posted: 10/23/2011 7:05:03 AM EDT
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I’m sure this has been asked 100 times but I could not find it I suck at search. I live closer to a gun shop out of state than I do in state they have a 2 lowers for $80 each. To buy them I would have to have then sent to my state and pay $25 fee per lower which is way more than the sales tax if I just bought them outright. Also the ffl we use in my town for transfers is a part time auctioneer so it can take a while for him to get my guns to me. Anyway the questions I have is there a way to buy them without them being considered AOW or buying a complete gun.
1. When an ffl assembles a striped lower into a rifle do they register it as a rifle? 2. If not how would the atf know I bought a rifle or just a lower? 3. If I have them assemble the lowers and put my uppers on them will I still need to do a transfer or can he sell it to me as a rifle? Sorry if I didn’t make things clear I’m tired thanks for any help |
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Almost all of the r's he sells he put together himself so he has a manufacturing license or is doing g things illegaly correct. If he has a manufacturing license canberra make it a rifle with my upper or am I making things to complicated just to save $40 I do not want to break the law. Also I I assembled a lower I would be manufacturing l a firearm do I need to fill out any additional lpapers and send them I to the atf. Sorry im using my phone and it sucks Probably doing it illegally. And no, without an FFL you are a maker, not a manufacturer. As a maker you can make as many firearms as you want for personal use. You can even make them from scratch if you have the means to. Anyone that can lawfully own a firearm can be a maker. The difference is manufacturers are manufacturing with the intent to sell, makers are making with the intent to keep for personal use. And no, you cannot legally have a stripped AR lower marked as "Long Gun" on the 4473 so that it can be sold over state lines. He is correct. Just order the lowers to your FFL pay the fees and build it into a rifle when you get home. No worries. You are over thinking the issue to "Save" $40, but what will this dealer charge to assemble the rifle and where will he source the parts from? Do any local dealers stock stripped lowers? |
| its been awhile(years) since I bought out of state in person. unless the laws have changed you should be able to buy in person and just take it home. I use to drive over the road semi truck years ago, I stopped and bought guns(rifles) all over the the country with no problem and just take them home with me. but like I said the laws may have changed! |
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I’m sure this has been asked 100 times but I could not find it I suck at search. I live closer to a gun shop out of state than I do in state they have a 2 lowers for $80 each. To buy them I would have to have then sent to my state and pay $25 fee per lower which is way more than the sales tax if I just bought them outright. Also the ffl we use in my town for transfers is a part time auctioneer so it can take a while for him to get my guns to me. Anyway the questions I have is there a way to buy them without them being considered AOW or buying a complete gun. 1. When an ffl assembles a striped lower into a rifle do they register it as a rifle? 2. If not how would the atf know I bought a rifle or just a lower? 3. If I have them assemble the lowers and put my uppers on them will I still need to do a transfer or can he sell it to me as a rifle? Sorry if I didn’t make things clear I’m tired thanks for any help First, there's no such thing as registration in the vast majority of states. Second, regular FFLs (Dealers and Pawnbrokers) are not allowed to assemble a stripped lower into a rifle and sell it. That's considered manufacturing, and only those with a manufacturer's FFL are allowed to do it. Yes I know it happens, doesn't make it legal. It should be marked as "other" on the 4473, which the dealer is required to keep. The only thing called in is the type of firearm, i.e. Long Gun, Handgun, Other, and your info. No serial #s are sent to anyone, which makes it not registration. |
| Almost all of the r's he sells he put together himself so he has a manufacturing license or is doing g things illegaly correct. If he has a manufacturing license canberra make it a rifle with my upper or am I making things to complicated just to save $40 I do not want to break the law. Also I I assembled a lower I would be manufacturing l a firearm do I need to fill out any additional lpapers and send them I to the atf. Sorry im using my phone and it sucks |
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Almost all of the r's he sells he put together himself so he has a manufacturing license or is doing g things illegaly correct. If he has a manufacturing license canberra make it a rifle with my upper or am I making things to complicated just to save $40 I do not want to break the law. Also I I assembled a lower I would be manufacturing l a firearm do I need to fill out any additional lpapers and send them I to the atf. Sorry im using my phone and it sucks Probably doing it illegally. And no, without an FFL you are a maker, not a manufacturer. As a maker you can make as many firearms as you want for personal use. You can even make them from scratch if you have the means to. Anyone that can lawfully own a firearm can be a maker. The difference is manufacturers are manufacturing with the intent to sell, makers are making with the intent to keep for personal use. And no, you cannot legally have a stripped AR lower marked as "Long Gun" on the 4473 so that it can be sold over state lines. |
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Almost all of the r's he sells he put together himself so he has a manufacturing license or is doing g things illegaly correct. If he has a manufacturing license canberra make it a rifle with my upper or am I making things to complicated just to save $40 I do not want to break the law. Also I I assembled a lower I would be manufacturing l a firearm do I need to fill out any additional lpapers and send them I to the atf. Sorry im using my phone and it sucks Probably doing it illegally. And no, without an FFL you are a maker, not a manufacturer. As a maker you can make as many firearms as you want for personal use. You can even make them from scratch if you have the means to. Anyone that can lawfully own a firearm can be a maker. The difference is manufacturers are manufacturing with the intent to sell, makers are making with the intent to keep for personal use. And no, you cannot legally have a stripped AR lower marked as "Long Gun" on the 4473 so that it can be sold over state lines. He is correct. Just order the lowers to your FFL pay the fees and build it into a rifle when you get home. No worries. You are over thinking the issue to "Save" $40, but what will this dealer charge to assemble the rifle and where will he source the parts from? Do any local dealers stock stripped lowers? They do here. |