Posted: 10/12/2011 4:35:46 AM EDT
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Hi.
I have NY and PA permits, neither of which are recognized by Ohio. Then I read that Ohio is a traditional open carry state. Then I read that you can't open carry in a car unless you're an Ohio concealed carry holder. 
The gist is, I have to travel through Ohio to Michigan. Michigan honors my permit. I know we have 926A to cover transport: Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle:Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. ...but are there any other options? The Ohio law is a bit murky as soon as it comes to either open carry or car carry. |
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It's not murky. It just sucks.
Unless you have a CCW recognized by Ohio, you can only have a gun in your car if it is unloaded and in the trunk. Unloaded means no ammo in the gun, the guns magazines or a speedloader. When you get out of your car you can load it up and proudly wear it on your hip, but this might not be the best option in some locales. |
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Yeah, Ohio code for car carry is still jacked up, even with the latest fixes to the law. Even as a concealed carry holder, if I get stopped with a single rifle round in a mag (regardless of location in the car), that's a felony.
Open carry is legal here, and in some locations won't cause you much grief at all. In some others, you'll get harassed by cops and citizens alike. Check out opencarry.org. |
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Yeah, Ohio code for car carry is still jacked up, even with the latest fixes to the law. Even as a concealed carry holder, if I get stopped with a single rifle round in a mag (regardless of location in the car), that's a felony. Open carry is legal here, and in some locations won't cause you much grief at all. In some others, you'll get harassed by cops and citizens alike. Check out opencarry.org. No. (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. * * * Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. |
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If you have the weapon on your person in a vehicle, it is concealed as far as the ORC is concerned. Don't do it. Open carry is a mixed bag as well. Some of the northern jurisdictions will stomp on you for doing it. As you get into the more rural jurisdictions it gets better, unless you just don't "fit in". Is getting a Utah permit an option for you? |
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Quoted: You just never know in this day, 'Well the back seat could fold down'. I drive a BMW 325ci and it's not exactly a walk-through like a Civic, it could be done. Get a Florida Non-Resident permit. Problem solved. At least you don't have to OC in a car with a permit anymore. |
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Yeah, Ohio code for car carry is still jacked up, even with the latest fixes to the law. Even as a concealed carry holder, if I get stopped with a single rifle round in a mag (regardless of location in the car), that's a felony. Open carry is legal here, and in some locations won't cause you much grief at all. In some others, you'll get harassed by cops and citizens alike. Check out opencarry.org. No. (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. * * * Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. Yes! (B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle. (snip) A violation of division (B) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. (snip) (K) As used in this section: (5) “Unloaded” means any of the following: (a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question. For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader. Ohio Revised Code 2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. |
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You just never know in this day, 'Well the back seat could fold down'. I drive a BMW 325ci and it's not exactly a walk-through like a Civic, it could be done. Get a Florida Non-Resident permit. Problem solved. At least you don't have to OC in a car with a permit anymore. I plan on this, or Utah shortly. The problem is, and this sucks, many states are putting in a clause that says they will be reciprocal for permit holders of the state they RESIDE in. It's getting more popular, and will render many of these non-resident perks useless. |
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Yeah, Ohio code for car carry is still jacked up, even with the latest fixes to the law. Even as a concealed carry holder, if I get stopped with a single rifle round in a mag (regardless of location in the car), that's a felony. Open carry is legal here, and in some locations won't cause you much grief at all. In some others, you'll get harassed by cops and citizens alike. Check out opencarry.org. No. (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. * * * Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. Yes! (B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle. (snip) A violation of division (B) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. (snip) (K) As used in this section: (5) “Unloaded” means any of the following: (a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question. For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader. Ohio Revised Code 2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. That's not the same thing as what was proposed - "a single rifle round in a mag anywhere in the car is a felony." My assertion is that that is wrong. So let's place that single rifle round in a mag in the trunk of the car. It is, oddly enough, a loaded firearm, but it is not accessible to the operator of the vehicle without leaving the car; Thus, not a felony. Ergo, my assertion of "no" is still correct. 
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Yeah, Ohio code for car carry is still jacked up, even with the latest fixes to the law. Even as a concealed carry holder, if I get stopped with a single rifle round in a mag (regardless of location in the car), that's a felony. Open carry is legal here, and in some locations won't cause you much grief at all. In some others, you'll get harassed by cops and citizens alike. Check out opencarry.org. No. (C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case; (2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle; (3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose; (4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight. * * * Violation of division (C) of this section is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. Yes! (B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle. (snip) A violation of division (B) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. (snip) (K) As used in this section: (5) “Unloaded” means any of the following: (a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question. For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader. Ohio Revised Code 2923.16 Improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. That's not the same thing as what was proposed - "a single rifle round in a mag anywhere in the car is a felony." My assertion is that that is wrong. So let's place that single rifle round in a mag in the trunk of the car. It is, oddly enough, a loaded firearm, but it is not accessible to the operator of the vehicle without leaving the car; Thus, not a felony. Ergo, my assertion of "no" is still correct. No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question. For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader. Although the firearm may be in the trunk because you must leave the vehicle to access it, the red part and the blue part make a distinction between the magazine and the firearm in question. The green part says the loaded mag may not be "anywhere within the vehicle". The judge will have to decide whether the trunk is within the vehicle. Please be sure to let us know what he says. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You just never know in this day, 'Well the back seat could fold down'. I drive a BMW 325ci and it's not exactly a walk-through like a Civic, it could be done. Get a Florida Non-Resident permit. Problem solved. At least you don't have to OC in a car with a permit anymore. I plan on this, or Utah shortly. The problem is, and this sucks, many states are putting in a clause that says they will be reciprocal for permit holders of the state they RESIDE in. It's getting more popular, and will render many of these non-resident perks useless. Stick with Utah. It's cheaper. |