[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Near-death Experiences Explained (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 9/23/2011 9:03:47 AM EDT
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A new article published in Trends in Cognitive Sciences by neuroscientist Dean Mobbs, of the University of Cambridge's Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit, and Caroline Watt, of the University of Edinburgh, finds that "contrary to popular belief, research suggests that there is nothing paranormal about these experiences. Instead, near-death experiences are the manifestation of normal brain function gone awry, during a traumatic, and sometimes harmless, event." http://news.discovery.com/human/-neuroscience-explains-near-death-110923.html |
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Nope, I remember everything that went on, even 57 years later, like it just recently happened. The problem is that there is almost no way to explain it in earthly terms. No light at the end of the tunnel stuff, but stuff that goes way beyond physics & quantum mechanics. One example is time. EVERYTHING at once, no difference from or between past, present & future, all the same. |
Uncle, left and came back. While in ER, my aunt, myself, and father were in family room. Aunt got up to go have a smoke with me. After Uncle recovered, he knew, heard and saw her go smoke with me and the conversation about she didn't want him to pass away without saying sorry over a fight. Scientist try to find answers to whatever they CANNOT explain, sometimes you just have to admit...there is some shit we just don't understand. |
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Ya, trying to rationalize a "spiritual" experience is an exercise in futility. What about the people who actually die and have no brain function at all and are brought back? Why the similarities in their stories as well? I think the biggest physical correlation is in DMT production from the pineal gland, given the research done w/ outside administration of the drug. Best source of NDE info and stories on the net: http://www.near-death.com/ Speed |
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Nope, I remember everything that went on, even 57 years later, like it just recently happened. The problem is that there is almost no way to explain it in earthly terms. No light at the end of the tunnel stuff, but stuff that goes way beyond physics & quantum mechanics. One example is time. EVERYTHING at once, no difference from or between past, present & future, all the same. 
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Quoted: Nope, I remember everything that went on, even 57 years later, like it just recently happened. The problem is that there is almost no way to explain it in earthly terms. No light at the end of the tunnel stuff, but stuff that goes way beyond physics & quantum mechanics. One example is time. EVERYTHING at once, no difference from or between past, present & future, all the same. Wow, that sounds pretty awry.  |
| Haven't there been documented cases of people seeing things from outside their body (such as pictures put on the TOP of lights or caps that can't be seen by anyone standing or laying down) that later turn out to be confirmed true? I have no idea if they are true or not though, and they could very well be an urban legend. |
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Nope, I remember everything that went on, even 57 years later, like it just recently happened. The problem is that there is almost no way to explain it in earthly terms. No light at the end of the tunnel stuff, but stuff that goes way beyond physics & quantum mechanics. One example is time. EVERYTHING at once, no difference from or between past, present & future, all the same. I would Love to hear an account of this Possibly in a separate thread Thank you |
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Another time, just for example, I was on the operating table for over half an hour longer than it was supposed last (having a lung removed) Don't remember anything, nothing unusual happened. Wasn't "near death". Oh, I was 5 years old, just a dumb kid when the NDE happened, didn't know shit, wasn't religious. No per-conceived ideas in my head. |
Curiously the nay-sayers have no problem with an anoxic dying brain forming perfeclty clear memories and having crystalline recall and logically structured chronology of the event.
Skeptics aren't quite as open or intellectually honest as they might pretend. This article poses some interesting questions. LINK My dad had an ND episode. His heart stopped during a medical procedure, and it took them quite awhile to get it going again. He saw absolutely nothing. OK, fair enough. That doesn't undermine my belieif in an afterlife, or that some people experiece a beautiful gift. ––Eight_Ring |
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Quoted: Wasn't like a dream, real as could be. Other weird thing was there was no light, no dark, but you could still see. Didn't talk, but had conversations with others there, but it wasn't like talking. Hard to explain/describe. You should look into a book called Unfinished Business: What the Dead can Teach us About Life. Very interesting book written by a Medium, James Van Praag, hits on the outer body / near death experience a good amount. Definitely changed the way I looked at the world. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Wasn't like a dream, real as could be. Other weird thing was there was no light, no dark, but you could still see. Didn't talk, but had conversations with others there, but it wasn't like talking. Hard to explain/describe. You should look into a book called Unfinished Business: What the Dead can Teach us About Life. Very interesting book written by a Medium, James Van Praag, hits on the outer body / near death experience a good amount. Definitely changed the way I looked at the world. That fellow can teach you about fraud and little more. |
Here, I'll spice up the thread a bit Some people who have had NDEs report being shown visions of the future. Here is one man's predictions given to him during a Near Death Experience: Dannion Brinkley's prophecies from 1975 yet to happen...take note of (d)
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Recently, Olaf Blanke and colleagues demonstrated that out-of-body experiences can be artificially induced by stimulating the
right temporoparietal junction [7]. Upon stimulation, the patient would say things like ‘‘I see myself lying in bed. . .’’. Other stimulations resulted in the patient feeling as if they were ‘floating’. The authors of the study suggested that out-of-body experiences result from a failure to integrate multisensory information from one’s body, which results in the disruption of the phenomenological elements of self-representation This is all very complicated and difficult to study. Amazing we know as much as we do given how difficult it is to monitor and alter neurons in the brain of a living person (without damaging them). |
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Uncle, left and came back. While in ER, my aunt, myself, and father were in family room. Aunt got up to go have a smoke with me. After Uncle recovered, he knew, heard and saw her go smoke with me and the conversation about she didn't want him to pass away without saying sorry over a fight. Scientist try to find answers to whatever they CANNOT explain, sometimes you just have to admit...there is some shit we just don't understand. That one's easy to explain, though. Quantum entanglement. Google it. YVW.
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| Who's to say who is right or who is wrong or what happens to us after death? No one can know for certain, and everyone will have their own belief or beliefs. Myself, I think that one's being does carry on after one ceases to live in this plane of existence. Think me illogical. It's your right to have your own opinion on the matter. |
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I've seen the tunnel of light after a serious head injury. I was thrown head first onto a concrete slab and landed on the back of my head. I remember landing on my head and a brief second of laying on my back looking at the sunlight through the tree limbs and everything getting extremely bright until it was all whited out and it collapsed into a tunnel. I felt like I was standing inside a tunnel of light then it went black.
I had cracked my skull and had a baseball sized contusion on my brain. I woke up about 30 minutes earlier but I didn't really wake up for several days because I have no memory from the tunnel of light until 4 days later. I don't know about any of the other stuff but the tunnel of light makes perfect sense to me because I've seen it. |
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That was a great movie. 
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Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. |
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Some stuff I've read explains some of the things described in NDE, but not all of them. The tunnel and the light can be the effects of hypoxia on the optic nerves and the visual cortex. Visions of friends and relatives could be hallucinatory effects. Hallucinations are not always visual. They can involve hearing and a sense of presence.
But none of that explains what happened when my brother died. It defied all reason and scientific explanation. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. Nobody wants to have your drug induced hallucinations compared to their magical experiences. |
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Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. No no no. The psychoactive drug just let you see into the spiritual realm.
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That was a great movie. what movie is it? |
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Uncle, left and came back. While in ER, my aunt, myself, and father were in family room. Aunt got up to go have a smoke with me. After Uncle recovered, he knew, heard and saw her go smoke with me and the conversation about she didn't want him to pass away without saying sorry over a fight. Scientist try to find answers to whatever they CANNOT explain, sometimes you just have to admit...there is some shit we just don't understand. I'm gonna go with this. |
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Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. And after you came down you had an overpowering sense that what you experienced was a reality, right? (Let me help out––the answer is no.) I'm guessing you actually had (and now have) a very clear sense that what you were experiencing in your state of altered consciousness was a chemically induced delusion––an interesting one, but one which ultimately had no sense of Reality. The people who experience NDE's have a very clear sense that what they saw consisted of another state of reality, and in many cases it felt more "real" than this world. Contrast that sense of reality with the memories of your acid/mescaline trip. ––Eight_Ring |
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On a radio show last year I heard a doctor's story that if true proves to me something more than just abnormal brain activity is happening at death. The doctor had a patient they needed to stop the heart and all brain function for a short amount of time. Basically they killed her. I can't remember what the operation was for, but while the patient showed no brain activity there was a conversation in the operating room about a wedding ring. The patient was able to recall the complete conversation, and said she watched the entire procedure from outside of her body. With no brain activity she shouldn't have been able to form memories of the conversation. My Grandmother had a NDE she shared with me. She said she relived her entire life and the passage of time seemed normal, so 88 years went by in about 10 minutes, but to her it seemed like another 88 years. |
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Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. And after you came down you had an overpowering sense that what you experienced was a reality, right? (Let me help out––the answer is no.) I'm guessing you actually had (and now have) a very clear sense that what you were experiencing in your state of altered consciousness was a chemically induced delusion––an interesting one, but one which ultimately had no sense of reality. The people who experience NDE's have a very clear sense that what they saw consisted of another state of reality, and in many cases it felt more "real" than this world. Contrast that sense of reality with the memories of your acid/mescaline trip. ––Eight_Ring If he had no memory (and expectation) of it being chemically induced, perhaps he'd have perceived it as being very real? Ultimately, you experience 'reality' via chemical and electrical reactions. If those reactions can convey another 'real' state of reality, then why couldn't they be made to falsely convey another state of reality? |
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On a radio show last year I heard a doctor's story that if true proves to me something more than just abnormal brain activity is happening at death. The doctor had a patient they needed to stop the heart and all brain function for a short amount of time. Basically they killed her. I can't remember what the operation was for, but while the patient showed no brain activity there was a conversation in the operating room about a wedding ring. The patient was able to recall the complete conversation, and said she watched the entire procedure from outside of her body. With no brain activity she shouldn't have been able to form memories of the conversation. My Grandmother had a NDE she shared with me. She said she relived her entire life and the passage of time seemed normal, so 88 years went by in about 10 minutes, but to her it seemed like another 88 years. Yeah, but see your grandmother isn't an expert. She doesn't know what she knows, not really––only like scientists know what she actually really knows. Because they are objective. And disinterested. And don't subscribe to magical notions. Plus she was wearing a helmet with magnets which were stimulating her parietal-temoral-whatever the fuck––wasn't she? Jesus. Just admit it. She was wearing a helmet with magnets. Let go of your backward-ass magical notions. And tell your grandmother to do that too, mmkay? <Toggle Sarcam Off> ––Eight_Ring |
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On a radio show last year I heard a doctor's story that if true proves to me something more than just abnormal brain activity is happening at death. The doctor had a patient they needed to stop the heart and all brain function for a short amount of time. Basically they killed her. I can't remember what the operation was for, but while the patient showed no brain activity there was a conversation in the operating room about a wedding ring. The patient was able to recall the complete conversation, and said she watched the entire procedure from outside of her body. With no brain activity she shouldn't have been able to form memories of the conversation. My Grandmother had a NDE she shared with me. She said she relived her entire life and the passage of time seemed normal, so 88 years went by in about 10 minutes, but to her it seemed like another 88 years. I'd love for there to be ESP, telekineses, out of body, etc. I wouldn't think it was magic, but just something (very important) that should be studied and exploited. But if this kind of stuff actually happens as frequently as we hear about it, you'd think we could do it in a controlled setting and study it. And, as far as I know, none of it ever pans out when done in a controlled setting. But its probably just the scientists with all their negative energy and harsh vibes |
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On a radio show last year I heard a doctor's story that if true proves to me something more than just abnormal brain activity is happening at death. The doctor had a patient they needed to stop the heart and all brain function for a short amount of time. Basically they killed her. I can't remember what the operation was for, but while the patient showed no brain activity there was a conversation in the operating room about a wedding ring. The patient was able to recall the complete conversation, and said she watched the entire procedure from outside of her body. With no brain activity she shouldn't have been able to form memories of the conversation. My Grandmother had a NDE she shared with me. She said she relived her entire life and the passage of time seemed normal, so 88 years went by in about 10 minutes, but to her it seemed like another 88 years. I'd love for there to be ESP, telekineses, out of body, etc. I wouldn't think it was magic, but just something (very important) that should be studied and exploited. But if this kind of stuff actually happens as frequently as we hear about it, you'd think we could do it in a controlled setting and study it. And, as far as I know, none of it ever pans out when done in a controlled setting. But its probably just the scientists with all their negative energy and harsh vibes Or... maybe no one volunteers to be "killed" to make such an experiment happen. |
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When your bleeding out it's the brains way of shutting down and the brain wandering so to say.
That was how I looked back on it anyway. Folks read to much into the process of brain function shutting done once they've been revived. I remember wild things, but it is what it is what it was. Take it for what it's worth, it's just my first hand personal opinion on the matter and nothing else. |
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How do you explain the people who can tell you with a great deal of accuracy what was going on in the hospital outside the operating room during their near-death event? Thats where 'controlled environment' comes in. To make sure, as best we can, that the only way they could have gained any knowledge was by astral projection, and to verify how well their description matches up to what was actually happening. Did the recalled conversation happen while they were actually 'dead', or while they were being put under? Did they hear something that their body could not have heard, even if not dead (was the conversation beyond hearing range)? etc |
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On a radio show last year I heard a doctor's story that if true proves to me something more than just abnormal brain activity is happening at death. The doctor had a patient they needed to stop the heart and all brain function for a short amount of time. Basically they killed her. I can't remember what the operation was for, but while the patient showed no brain activity there was a conversation in the operating room about a wedding ring. The patient was able to recall the complete conversation, and said she watched the entire procedure from outside of her body. With no brain activity she shouldn't have been able to form memories of the conversation. My Grandmother had a NDE she shared with me. She said she relived her entire life and the passage of time seemed normal, so 88 years went by in about 10 minutes, but to her it seemed like another 88 years. I'd love for there to be ESP, telekineses, out of body, etc. I wouldn't think it was magic, but just something (very important) that should be studied and exploited. But if this kind of stuff actually happens as frequently as we hear about it, you'd think we could do it in a controlled setting and study it. And, as far as I know, none of it ever pans out when done in a controlled setting. But its probably just the scientists with all their negative energy and harsh vibes Or... maybe no one volunteers to be "killed" to make such an experiment happen. Well, maybe they could set up stuff where people are routinely "killed", and then if they claim they astral projected, they could be questioned about it. But then again, hospitals probably don't want to dash the beliefs of people that just went through a traumatic experience |
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Bull, been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Something else went on from what this clown says. As someone who has experienced a complete and total trip while high on a certain psychoactive drug, I can say with 100% certainty that the brain can manifest any reality you can imagine and then some given the right chemicals or lack thereof. And after you came down you had an overpowering sense that what you experienced was a reality, right? (Let me help out––the answer is no.) I'm guessing you actually had (and now have) a very clear sense that what you were experiencing in your state of altered consciousness was a chemically induced delusion––an interesting one, but one which ultimately had no sense of Reality. The people who experience NDE's have a very clear sense that what they saw consisted of another state of reality, and in many cases it felt more "real" than this world. Contrast that sense of reality with the memories of your acid/mescaline trip. ––Eight_Ring No, actually what was so terrifying about this for me is that I came away from that experience for quite some time with a sense that the real world was the drug trip and that the drug trip was reality and that the time between the two experiences (about four months) was minutes apart in the drug world. I came away from that with the knowledge that the brain is fully capable of manifesting reality to a person, especially if that person is unwilling to understand that we are just bags of chemicals that can sometimes interact in very strange ways. If I were to have a supposed NDE, I'd know it would have been caused by a similar process. |