[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/3/2011 5:50:12 PM EDT
| It's obvious they make great guns, but why in the fuck won't they make a 1911 type grip angle as an option? It's obviously not just me that hates the grip angle, and they would probably destroy Smith and Springfield if they did. The grip angle is just unnatural for some people, and it wouldn't cost them much to make new molds...it's plastic after all. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. They certainly make a hell of a pistol - no doubt about it. I'm just not a fan of their guns. It would be easy enough to learn to shoot with that grip angle but the M&P was more comfortable for me and I shoot it better right off the bat. 
If only my mags were as cheap as Glock mags.... 
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. M&P is not all that comfortable. I was going to buy one then I got to hold one...no thanks. Glock was much more comfortable to me. |
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Quoted: they would probably destroy Smith and Springfield if they did. They already do. The grip angle dictates cartridge feed angle from the magazine therefor this pistol would require proprietary magazines that would be less reliable. The Glock is the way it is for a reason. |
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they would probably destroy Smith and Springfield if they did. They already do. The grip angle dictates cartridge feed angle from the magazine therefor this pistol would require proprietary magazines that would be less reliable. The Glock is the way it is for a reason. Sucks, I want to like Glocks. I just can't deal with that stupid grip angle, I guess mine will always be safe queens. 
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. |
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I'm one of the oddballs. I've got a G19 and find the grip angle to work pretty well for me. I shoot that pistol better than my others, including my 1911. I love my 1911 though. I suppose if I were ever to dual-wield my Glock and 1911 at the same time the world 'splode.  |
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they would probably destroy Smith and Springfield if they did. They already do. The grip angle dictates cartridge feed angle from the magazine therefor this pistol would require proprietary magazines that would be less reliable. The Glock is the way it is for a reason. Sucks, I want to like Glocks. I just can't deal with that stupid grip angle, I guess mine will always be safe queens. Try this: Hold out your hand with your middle finger gesturing the old "fuck you, kind sir." Now move your hand and arm till your finger is covering the center of your television. Now move it over, till it's superimposed onto your dag, steven. Wow. You just proved that you can aim wherever you want using simple arm and hand movements and eye alignment. You are now a homo sapiens Pick up the glock and shoot it. You will convert and all your wildest dreams will come true. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. I agree with you in theory but I have found that it's not really that bad. Do you have issues with the 1911 safety after shooting your Sig or does the muscle memory come back after a little bit? A little bit of drawing and dry firing and you get back in the groove of whichever format you're switching to. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. I agree with you in theory but I have found that it's not really that bad. Do you have issues with the 1911 safety after shooting your Sig or does the muscle memory come back after a little bit? A little bit of drawing and dry firing and you get back in the groove of whichever format you're switching to. Shooting under stress, I want something I KNOW. If I only had Glocks, it would be a non-issue...but I don't own only Glocks. |
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Quoted: I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols... WADR,  I own more than a hundred different handguns (including several Glocks) and and I can shoot all of them all acceptably, most of them well. (ETA: Owning and shooting a Glock or two isn't going to render you unable to use or enjoy other guns.) I do admittedly shoot the Glocks the best, but that's because I also shoot them the most by far and they are the only ones I have used in professional courses, I carry them every day, etc. But YMMV. ETA: If you just hate your Glocks after trying to learn to shoot them, get rid of them. I've done the same with guns that fit my hands so poorly that I could not shoot them well without putting in a LOT of effort and time that I just couldn't justify. For you, that may indeed be all Glocks. |
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I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols... WADR,
I own more than a hundred different handguns (including several Glocks) and and I can shoot all of them all acceptably, most of them well. I do admittedly shoot the Glocks the best, but that's because I also shoot them the most by far and they are the only ones I have used in professional courses, I carry them every day, etc. But YMMV. And I can shoot my Glocks "acceptably", that's just not good enough for me...sorry. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. I agree with you in theory but I have found that it's not really that bad. Do you have issues with the 1911 safety after shooting your Sig or does the muscle memory come back after a little bit? A little bit of drawing and dry firing and you get back in the groove of whichever format you're switching to. Shooting under stress, I want something I KNOW. If I only had Glocks, it would be a non-issue...but I don't own only Glocks. Did you read what I wrote? Your reply makes no sense. I am talking about switching between systems and you reply that you don't own Glocks. WTF? Quit drinking and go to bed. |
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During WWII, soldiers desired Lugers because the gun pointed better than 1911's. I'm amused when people say the glock doesn't point well. Honestly, I go back and forth between the two effortlessly. I never got this complaint. It's all in what you train with, and I'm 100% sure I could get used to the angle. Problem is, I like Sig's and 1911's more, so I shoot them more, therefore I like/am accustomed to that angle. |
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The Grip Angel is designed to help you control muzzle flip better and have faster follow-up shots.
Glock is an extremely conservative company and they happen to have one of the most popular pistols in the world to reinforce what they've been doing. So I don't see them changing their grip angle. |
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The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. I agree with you in theory but I have found that it's not really that bad. Do you have issues with the 1911 safety after shooting your Sig or does the muscle memory come back after a little bit? A little bit of drawing and dry firing and you get back in the groove of whichever format you're switching to. Shooting under stress, I want something I KNOW. If I only had Glocks, it would be a non-issue...but I don't own only Glocks. Did you read what I wrote? Your reply makes no sense. I am talking about switching between systems and you reply that you don't own Glocks. WTF? Quit drinking and go to bed. I do own Glocks, I've said so several times...maybe you need to stop drinking. 
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Try this: Hold out your hand with your middle finger gesturing the old "fuck you, kind sir." Now move your hand and arm till your finger is covering the center of your television. Now move it over, till it's superimposed onto your dag, steven. Wow. You just proved that you can aim wherever you want using simple arm and hand movements and eye alignment. You are now a homo sapiens Pick up the glock and shoot it. You will convert and all your wildest dreams will come true. +1 I always wonder if people who cry incessantly about grip angle actually shoot on a regular basis. The sights on my glocks don't magically line up on target with every presentation, but neither do my 1911's or M&P's. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The M&P beat them to a better feeling grip. Best of the polymer pistols IMO. Even if Glock made a change (which isn't necessary IMO) I wouldn't buy one. I give Glock props, they make a damn fine pistol. They just have the major (to me) flaw of that retarded grip angle. So you can't shoot Lugers, Ruger 22's or the many other guns with a similar grip angle? Are you sure it's the grip angle at fault? When I meet someone with your attitude about the Glock grip angle I find they lack in desire to adjust and learn, not in the ability to. But hey, maybe your mind and wrist really can't adapt to a 7 or 8 degree difference. But I doubt it. I'm sure I could adjust, but that would mean not shooting 1911's or Sig's or any of my other pistols. It's all about consistency, you want to shoot the same way every time, not try and adjust for some fucked up grip angle on one type of pistol. I agree with you in theory but I have found that it's not really that bad. Do you have issues with the 1911 safety after shooting your Sig or does the muscle memory come back after a little bit? A little bit of drawing and dry firing and you get back in the groove of whichever format you're switching to. Shooting under stress, I want something I KNOW. If I only had Glocks, it would be a non-issue...but I don't own only Glocks. Did you read what I wrote? Your reply makes no sense. I am talking about switching between systems and you reply that you don't own Glocks. WTF? Quit drinking and go to bed.  I've been shooting with Aiden. He knows his way around a Glock. |
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Try this: Hold out your hand with your middle finger gesturing the old "fuck you, kind sir." Now move your hand and arm till your finger is covering the center of your television. Now move it over, till it's superimposed onto your dag, steven. Wow. You just proved that you can aim wherever you want using simple arm and hand movements and eye alignment. You are now a homo sapiens Pick up the glock and shoot it. You will convert and all your wildest dreams will come true. +1 I always wonder if people who cry incessantly about grip angle actually shoot on a regular basis. The sights on my glocks don't magically line up on target with every presentation, but neither do my 1911's or M&P's. Jesus, I'm not crying and/or whining about it. I've actually commented on the quality of Glocks, and just wished for an alternate grip. 
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Some folks like it.
Me, I hated it until I was in a country/circumstance where my options for a self defense weapon were either a Glock or stern language and rocks. I became a convert then, and decided the Glock grip angle does have some advantages. I've still got my 1911s, have even bought more in fact, though I'm transitioning them all to arched MSH's to get a more interchangeable feel. In Glock's case, changing the grip and would involve changing the magazine and feed system as well. It would effectively be a whole new line, and with them still taking a large share of the world's sidearm market I don't see it happening. |
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I think my biggest issue is I have hands that are just way too large...  That really limits what is comfortable for me to shoot.You know what they say about big hands? Big gloves 
Hard to find everything in the .mil...I'm only 6'2" and it's a bitch to find uniforms to fit. On the plus side, size 13 boots are usually really cheap.
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I think my biggest issue is I have hands that are just way too large... That really limits what is comfortable for me to shoot.You know what they say about big hands? Big gloves
Hard to find everything in the .mil...I'm only 6'2" and it's a bitch to find uniforms to fit. On the plus side, size 13 boots are usually really cheap.
Holy shit..... I'm 6' 3" and I wear a 9 1/2 shoe......
Not true what they say about shoe size 'tho... 
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I think my biggest issue is I have hands that are just way too large... That really limits what is comfortable for me to shoot.You know what they say about big hands? Big gloves
Hard to find everything in the .mil...I'm only 6'2" and it's a bitch to find uniforms to fit. On the plus side, size 13 boots are usually really cheap.
Holy shit..... I'm 6' 3" and I wear a 9 1/2 shoe......
Not true what they say about shoe size 'tho... 9.5" really?
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I think my biggest issue is I have hands that are just way too large... That really limits what is comfortable for me to shoot.You know what they say about big hands? Big gloves
Hard to find everything in the .mil...I'm only 6'2" and it's a bitch to find uniforms to fit. On the plus side, size 13 boots are usually really cheap.
Holy shit..... I'm 6' 3" and I wear a 9 1/2 shoe......
Not true what they say about shoe size 'tho... 9.5" really? Yup.... honest injun!
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