[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock 19 Issues (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/1/2011 12:12:50 PM EDT
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A few weeks ago, I bought a Gen3 G19. I have taken to the range twice and the round count is probably ~400+ with three types of ammo uses. Here's the breakdown: BVAC Reman: This accounts for easily 200-300 rounds fired. I shot some respectable groups, but I had 2 Failures to Eject. My CZ85B fired 700+ rounds of this stuff without a hiccup. Magtech: I just bought 1k rounds of this stuff for practice. 100 rounds exactly in the G19. There were no malfunctions, but both myself and a buddy of mine were shooting patterns rather than groups when we started burning this stuff. We put 100 rounds through the CZ and I knocked a big ass hole out of the target. Black Hills JHP +P: 50 rounds exactly. The only problem was in my wallet. I am not sure what caused the FTEs, but I don't think it is the ammo. As it stands right now, the reliability is on par with my old 1911 (and well behind my CZ). I've never heard of these things being picky about ammo, either. I want to like this this Glock, but it just doesn't seem to be working for me so far. I bought it for CCW, but I will not buy a holster for this thing until it is performing well. What should I do? |
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Quoted: I believe there has been some issues with the new extractors call Glock and tell them about your FTE they should fix it. and if that doesn't fix it, I hear that a Lone Wolf Dist. extractor (which is basically a copy of the older style Glock extractor) will. |
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Is this your first Glock? Could you be limp-wristing it? Are you using factory mags? Are they worn out? As a devoted Disciple of JMB, I still think that the (Gen 3 and older) Glock 9mm pistols are the tits. You mention that it's a Gen 3 so I'm guessing it's used? Any chance Bubba went at it's guts before you bought it? Bottom line? When a G19 fails to perform there's clearly a problem somewhere and it shouldn't be too difficult to find. |
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Quoted: Is this your first Glock? Could you be limp-wristing it? Are you using factory mags? Are they worn out? As a devoted Disciple of JMB, I still think that the (Gen 3 and older) Glock 9mm pistols are the tits. You mention that it's a Gen 3 so I'm guessing it's used? Any chance Bubba went at it's guts before you bought it? Bottom line? When a G19 fails to perform there's clearly a problem somewhere and it shouldn't be too difficult to find. Yes, it's my first. Yes, I'm using factory mags. Both the gun and the mags are new. Are Glocks unusually easy to limp-wrist? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Is this your first Glock? Could you be limp-wristing it? Are you using factory mags? Are they worn out? As a devoted Disciple of JMB, I still think that the (Gen 3 and older) Glock 9mm pistols are the tits. You mention that it's a Gen 3 so I'm guessing it's used? Any chance Bubba went at it's guts before you bought it? Bottom line? When a G19 fails to perform there's clearly a problem somewhere and it shouldn't be too difficult to find. Yes, it's my first. Yes, I'm using factory mags. Both the gun and the mags are new. Are Glocks unusually easy to limp-wrist? it's not your wrist it your arm is giving. The ammo is weak but I dont' have a problem shooting any of them unless it's cold outside |
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I am not sure what caused the FTEs, but I don't think it is the ammo. Just from what you've written, I'm not seeing the ammo excused. It running ok in the CZ doesn't prove much. The ammo might be a bad fit for the Glock, or you could've gotten "lucky" about when the dud rounds came up in the pile. The former maybe shouldn't happen, but the latter is what it is, especially with reman ammo. I'd get a few value packs from wallyworld and see what new factory ammo does in it. |
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Sounds like operator error combined with lack of experience with the Glock. OP, sounds like you just need to put more rounds downrange. I had a few stovepipes with my G19 when I first began learning to shoot it. I attributed those to limp wristing. I haven't had that happen in a few years now. My "groups" were also pretty horrible. They have since tightened up as I've practiced more.
ETA: The only ammo I've ever fired through my G19 is WWB, and Federal HSTs. |
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Quoted: Yes, it's my first. Yes, I'm using factory mags. Both the gun and the mags are new. Are Glocks unusually easy to limp-wrist? They take some getting used to. Felt recoil is different with a polymer frame, grip angle is different than other platforms and the trigger does indeed leave something to be desired...although those can all be overcome with some trigger time. My advice would be to put in 10-15 minutes of dry practice each night for a week, hit the range and see how things improve. From what I'm hearing, the ammo is GTG. Being that the Gen 3 G19 is new with new mags, the chances of an actual problem with the pistol are slim to none...but it's still possible. That said, it's more than likely a matter of you getting used to the Glock and "limp-wristing". I had similar problems with FTEs and hitting low/right when I first went to a Glock after shooting 1911s, M9s and M29s all my life. It doesn't take long to get used to it, but save your money/ammo stash and get some dry practice in with the G19. My guess is that you'll do fine and the FTE issues will disappear in short order, assuming you keep training on the platform. In short, it's "operator error"...but not necessarily due to a lack of ability on your end. The Glock is definitely a different animal, especially if you've been running 1911s for some time. |
and shot your single-action CZ85 better? Hmmmm...
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Failure to eject meaning what? Is the empty case is getting hung up on the barrel hood? Is it stovepiping? What's happening?
It could be limpwristing, but I think more often cries of "limpwristing" is just a lame product defense for malfunctioning guns. Was this a used gun? NM |
| We have a G19 Gen. 3, my wife shoots it mostly, but it shoots whatever we decide to use on the day we go shooting. Haven't really had any failures that I can recall. We shoot WWB 115gr fmj's, some 115 gr. Winchester Silvertips and some fairly hot reloads using 115 gr. hp's on W231 powder. It's pretty accurate too. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Yes, it's my first. Yes, I'm using factory mags. Both the gun and the mags are new. Are Glocks unusually easy to limp-wrist? They take some getting used to. Felt recoil is different with a polymer frame, grip angle is different than other platforms and the trigger does indeed leave something to be desired...although those can all be overcome with some trigger time. My advice would be to put in 10-15 minutes of dry practice each night for a week, hit the range and see how things improve. From what I'm hearing, the ammo is GTG. Being that the Gen 3 G19 is new with new mags, the chances of an actual problem with the pistol are slim to none...but it's still possible. That said, it's more than likely a matter of you getting used to the Glock and "limp-wristing". I had similar problems with FTEs and hitting low/right when I first went to a Glock after shooting 1911s, M9s and M29s all my life. It doesn't take long to get used to it, but save your money/ammo stash and get some dry practice in with the G19. My guess is that you'll do fine and the FTE issues will disappear in short order, assuming you keep training on the platform. In short, it's "operator error"...but not necessarily due to a lack of ability on your end. The Glock is definitely a different animal, especially if you've been running 1911s for some time. Are you left handed, Evil? Glocks usually string low left for righties. OP, G19s are, in particular, among glocks sensitive to limp wristing/weak ammo. You didn't describe your FTE. Was it a stove pipe or an empty case shoved back into the chamber or other? The wife had to switch to a 26, which, believe it or not, is much more forgiving in this regard. Good luck with your pistol. |
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Quoted: I can attest to the fact that the G19 is sensitive to a mushy hand hold. Both my wife and friend had two different G19 pistols. Remington green box ammo exaserbated the problem. They would shoot them and get a substantial ammount of stove pipes. I could put in a mag and run through it with no problems. Hand the gun back and stove pipe city. Failure to eject meaning what? Is the empty case is getting hung up on the barrel hood? Is it stovepiping? What's happening? It could be limpwristing, but I think more often cries of "limpwristing" is just a lame product defense for malfunctioning guns. Was this a used gun? NM Wife has shot the following glocks with no problems:17,26,27,22,34,35. She only had trouble with the 19. My BHP won't shoot Rem green box, either. Stove pipes aplenty. WWB or better and it runs like a top. |
| I don't have an opinion about the FTE, but I know I hated my G19 after about the second trip to the range because while it had functioned 100%, I couldn't shoot a group that didn't look like a shotgun with buckshot. I would have got rid of it if I hadn't already bought a AA .22 kit for it After thinking about it, I realized that the sights SUCKED. The sights were plastic without sharp edges and the front sight was so wide it fills up all the back sight with no gap on each side. A good set of metal sights with a narrower front and it shot like a different gun. It's now my EDC gun. |
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1. The ammo you were using isn't known for reliability. I wouldn't be quick to blame the FTE/FTX on the pistol until you experience the same malfunctions with quality ammo. Was the case stuck in the chamber or just not completely ejected? A failure to extract isn't limp wristing...it's ammo or extractor.
2. The ammo you were using isn't known for accuracy. I wouldn't be quick to blame patterns on the pistol until you experience the same accuracy problems with quality ammo. In other words, buy some decent brass cased ammo (bulk Federal or Winchester stuff from Wal-Mart or better) and shoot that. See if it goes better for you. EDIT –– as for the limp-wristing thing: Glocks are designed to run NATO spec ammo, which is considerably hotter than the commercial bulk stuff we have here in the states that is loaded to low pressures so people don't blow up Lugers when they shoot them. The Glock 19 has proven quite sensitive to using mild 9mm ammo with a bad grip. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Are you left handed, Evil? Glocks usually string low left for righties. You're right. My mistake. Should have been low/left. Although I do jerk off left-handed.  Ah yes, the 'ol stranger. If you sit on your left hand till it goes numb, I like to call it... the strange retard. |
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1. The ammo you were using isn't known for reliability. I wouldn't be quick to blame the FTE/FTX on the pistol until you experience the same malfunctions with quality ammo. Was the case stuck in the chamber or just not completely ejected? A failure to extract isn't limp wristing...it's ammo or extractor. 2. The ammo you were using isn't known for accuracy. I wouldn't be quick to blame patterns on the pistol until you experience the same accuracy problems with quality ammo. In other words, buy some decent brass cased ammo (bulk Federal or Winchester stuff from Wal-Mart or better) and shoot that. See if it goes better for you. EDIT –– as for the limp-wristing thing: Glocks are designed to run NATO spec ammo, which is considerably hotter than the commercial bulk stuff we have here in the states that is loaded to low pressures so people don't blow up Lugers when they shoot them. The Glock 19 has proven quite sensitive to using mild 9mm ammo with a bad grip. ' And yet the CZ did not have these problems. The CZ is a NATO gun these days too. IIRC, the P06 has an NSN number now. Make no mistake that the OP's Glock was made for the US commercial market. If what you're saying is true then Glock is using the wrong weight recoil spring for this market. My own experience with the pistol proves otherwise since they don't seem to care functional-wise what kind of commercial ammo is being ran through it in my hands. I wouldn't be quick to blame the Glock for accuracy problems either. We can(and are) speculating on the causes of the Glock malfunctions. Without being able to get our hands on this particular Glock 19 and fire it ourselves, we can only guess. Glock like any other manufacturer isn't immune to making mistakes along the assembly line, the occasional complaint about the Gen 4s being a prime example. I will concur with one of the above posters that the front sight of a stock Glock is too wide(at least compared to the pistols I'm accustomed to) which lend to tighter groups being more challenging. Glock's trigger is a whole different animal compared to conventional SA or DA guns too and takes a little getting used to though I think it's a great system |
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Make no mistake that the OP's Glock was made for the US commercial market. If what you're saying is true then Glock is using the wrong weight recoil spring for this market. No, it's the right recoil spring for the +P ammo that is most commonly used as duty and self-defense rounds here in the states. The tradeoff is that the G19 doesn't have the best results with weak 9mm ball ammo. Glock 9mm pistols tend to work best with more potent ammo, especially out of the box during the break-in period. My own experience with the pistol proves otherwise since they don't seem to care functional-wise what kind of commercial ammo is being ran through it in my hands. Samples of 1 and all that. |
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so lets get this right her....
glock perfection.... replace bbl to shoot lead and or avoid kb's replace extractor with aftermarket part to make it work ammo sensitive recoil sensitive magazine sensitive what else needs to be replaced to make these run right? i am starting to think john browning designed these things 
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Limp wristing causes FTE. Do NOT lube the piss out of it. Over lubrication causes problems. I don't buy that for a second. Just about every new gun that won't run is because of under lubrication. I've witnessed brand spanking new Glocks that WILL NOT RUN dripping wet. They aren't meant to be. Aside from the trigger, they don't to a whole lot of "breaking in". |
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A few weeks ago, I bought a Gen3 G19. I have taken to the range twice and the round count is probably ~400+ with three types of ammo uses. Here's the breakdown: BVAC Reman: This accounts for easily 200-300 rounds fired. I shot some respectable groups, but I had 2 Failures to Eject. My CZ85B fired 700+ rounds of this stuff without a hiccup. Magtech: I just bought 1k rounds of this stuff for practice. 100 rounds exactly in the G19. There were no malfunctions, but both myself and a buddy of mine were shooting patterns rather than groups when we started burning this stuff. We put 100 rounds through the CZ and I knocked a big ass hole out of the target. Black Hills JHP +P: 50 rounds exactly. The only problem was in my wallet. I am not sure what caused the FTEs, but I don't think it is the ammo. As it stands right now, the reliability is on par with my old 1911 (and well behind my CZ). I've never heard of these things being picky about ammo, either. I want to like this this Glock, but it just doesn't seem to be working for me so far. I bought it for CCW, but I will not buy a holster for this thing until it is performing well. What should I do? Everyone that I know that bought a Gen 4 has had nothing but problems. My advice is to look for a Gen 2. |
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You answered your own question. First quality ammo solved all your problems. Most Browning actions (Yes Glock is a Browning Action) run on damn near anything except the Gen 3 Glocks with the new spring system. The Gen 3 Glocks are problematic at best. Glock has even publically acknowledged they F$%ked up with the Gen 3s. Damn shame too, because the Gen 1 and Gen 2 would eat anthing except lead. |
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Lube the fuck out of it, and I mean lube it to the point that you get lube sprayed on your shooting glasses. Is this a normal thing for a Glock? All firearms work better when properly lubricated. That would include a Glock. It's much more difficult to "over" lubricate (meaning lube to the point where it impedes function) than to under-lubricate. |
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Quoted: I've always had the philosophy that if you are using a mechanical device that generates friction during normal operations, that you should lube it accordingly. The bolts on my ARs and AKs are always dripping wet, and the slides of my Glocks (and SIGs at one point) were also lubed generously. Quoted: Lube the fuck out of it, and I mean lube it to the point that you get lube sprayed on your shooting glasses. Is this a normal thing for a Glock? It seems to me that it is an easy and inexpensive first step in figuring out what the problem is. |
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Quoted: I've seen countless times of people calling their new Glocks "cheap pieces of plastic shit" for not running right out of the box and just about every time it is because they don't put a drop of lube on the running rails. Quoted: Quoted: Lube the fuck out of it, and I mean lube it to the point that you get lube sprayed on your shooting glasses. Is this a normal thing for a Glock? All firearms work better when properly lubricated. That would include a Glock. It's much more difficult to "over" lubricate (meaning lube to the point where it impedes function) than to under-lubricate.  After a few generous squirts of CLP the run runs like a top. |
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I've seen countless times of people calling their new Glocks "cheap pieces of plastic shit" for not running right out of the box and just about every time it is because they don't put a drop of lube on the running rails. Quoted:
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Lube the fuck out of it, and I mean lube it to the point that you get lube sprayed on your shooting glasses. Is this a normal thing for a Glock? All firearms work better when properly lubricated. That would include a Glock. It's much more difficult to "over" lubricate (meaning lube to the point where it impedes function) than to under-lubricate. After a few generous squirts of CLP the run runs like a top.
I see. I usually use grease.........why(?).........I have no idea, just the way I lube but I don't skimp on semi-auto lubing either. Oh, sometimes I use oil for a lube also. I got alot of stuff to lube and clean with. 
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Lube the fuck out of it, and I mean lube it to the point that you get lube sprayed on your shooting glasses. Is this a normal thing for a Glock? All firearms work better when properly lubricated. That would include a Glock. It's much more difficult to "over" lubricate (meaning lube to the point where it impedes function) than to under-lubricate. Ok........just wondering if Glocks were different in this area. I'm going to get a Glock someday for CPL purposes. (I don't need it but I want one!!) I'm old and use grease mostly.......sometimes oil...........but the grease is Lubriplate. That's how old I am! 
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You answered your own question. First quality ammo solved all your problems. Most Browning actions (Yes Glock is a Browning Action) run on damn near anything except the Gen 3 Glocks with the new spring system. The Gen 3 Glocks are problematic at best. Glock has even publically acknowledged they F$%ked up with the Gen 3s. Damn shame too, because the Gen 1 and Gen 2 would eat anthing except lead. I thought it was Gen 4's with issues. < all I own now are Gen 3's all run flawlessly. My Gen 2 G17 broke a trigger return spring at about 5k replaced and still running strong after another 5k or so, just sold it. My 2 pin Gen 3 G19 is about 5k or so now. My 3 pin Gen 3 G17 is about 2k. No issues so far. And my G26 is only about 200 rds with no issues. |
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You answered your own question. First quality ammo solved all your problems. Most Browning actions (Yes Glock is a Browning Action) run on damn near anything except the Gen 3 Glocks with the new spring system. The Gen 3 Glocks are problematic at best. Glock has even publically acknowledged they F$%ked up with the Gen 3s. Damn shame too, because the Gen 1 and Gen 2 would eat anthing except lead. I thought it was Gen 4's with issues. < all I own now are Gen 3's all run flawlessly. My Gen 2 G17 broke a trigger return spring at about 5k replaced and still running strong after another 5k or so, just sold it. My 2 pin Gen 3 G19 is about 5k or so now. My 3 pin Gen 3 G17 is about 2k. No issues so far. And my G26 is only about 200 rds with no issues. How do you like the Glock 26 for CPL purposes? Do you have large hands? |