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7/4/2011 5:14:38 PM EDT
In a lesson of not all threats are human I was walking home from an errand, or rather limping I should say because I twisted the hell out of my ankle when I notice a medium/large sized brown dog (Maybe a Lab?) with a blue collar chasing a little girl on a scooter, it lost interest in the girl, and decided to come after me instead maybe because I was on foot, and limping.  The little girl got away, but now I had an aggressive dog running up to me snarling, barking, and baring it's teeth, the saying that you revert to our training is true, I'm proud to say that I forgot about my ankle, bladed off, and started backing away from the dog while my hand was on my pistol, though I also had the presence of mind to try to shout a command at the dog to heel.  Fortunately whether it was startled, or actually understood my command it stopped about 10 feet away, and walked off in the other direction so I never had to actually draw, but I was preparing to (dogs are fast, by the time I was able to get my hand on my pistol it was already about that distance away), I limped home as fast as I could (I was only a couple hundred feet or so away), and called the police/animal control (same number), and reported the incident. (The dog was no longer a direct threat so I wasn't about to start popping off shots in a crowded neighborhood when the dog was retreating.)  A few minutes later I saw a cruiser, and an unmarked which I assume was animal control chasing the dog down the street in an extremely low speed pursuit, the dog ran around the corner with the cars following, I don't know what happened after that.

Not the most interesting "drawdown" story, but I tell it so you can glean whatever lessons you can from it like:

1: Not all threats are human, it's just as likely if not more likely depending on your area that you'll encounter an aggressive animal as a human.

2: Dogs are frickin' fast.

3: Under stress you will revert to your training so train accordingly.

Since I know you'll ask I was carrying an ex-DPD Glock 22 in an RSR Defense level 2 holster with a belt adapter.

Let the Monday Morning Quarterbacking commence.
7/4/2011 5:19:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Epic story...



No, really.
7/4/2011 5:19:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
In a lesson of not all threats are human I was walking home from an errand, or rather limping I should say because I twisted the hell out of my ankle when I notice a medium/large sized brown dog (Maybe a Lab?) with a blue collar chasing a little girl on a scooter, it lost interest in the girl, and decided to come after me instead maybe because I was on foot, and limping.  The little girl got away, but now I had an aggressive dog running up to me snarling, barking, and baring it's teeth, the saying that you revert to our training is true, I'm proud to say that I forget about my ankle, bladed off, and started backing away .


Was there a massive adrenaline dump?
7/4/2011 5:20:11 PM EDT
[#3]
In?

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7/4/2011 5:21:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Quoted:
In a lesson of not all threats are human I was walking home from an errand, or rather limping I should say because I twisted the hell out of my ankle when I notice a medium/large sized brown dog (Maybe a Lab?) with a blue collar chasing a little girl on a scooter, it lost interest in the girl, and decided to come after me instead maybe because I was on foot, and limping.  The little girl got away, but now I had an aggressive dog running up to me snarling, barking, and baring it's teeth, the saying that you revert to our training is true, I'm proud to say that I forget about my ankle, bladed off, and started backing away .


Was there a massive adrenaline dump?


No just enough to cancel out my twisted ankle.  I knew I shouldn't have used the B word.
7/4/2011 5:21:51 PM EDT
[#5]
OP needs more training in 45 deg. blading.
7/4/2011 5:25:33 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.
7/4/2011 5:27:25 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.

This.
7/4/2011 5:29:02 PM EDT
[#8]
lightweight
7/4/2011 5:29:48 PM EDT
[#9]



Quoted:


OP needs more training in 45 deg. blading.


Do you use the same degree of blading for a dog as you do for a human?



 
7/4/2011 5:30:04 PM EDT
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7/4/2011 5:36:51 PM EDT
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7/4/2011 5:37:44 PM EDT
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7/4/2011 5:41:43 PM EDT
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7/4/2011 5:49:27 PM EDT
[#14]


How appropriate!
7/4/2011 5:52:04 PM EDT
[#15]
Bad move on your part.

Betcha the dog knows exactly who ratted him out.

Watch your rear - he'll be coming for you when you least expect it.



7/4/2011 6:04:15 PM EDT
[#16]
This is why I carry a walking stick. Too many people let their small, aggressive dogs run free.




7/4/2011 6:05:48 PM EDT
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7/4/2011 6:07:52 PM EDT
[#18]


Oh God, there is an official badge for it now.



7/5/2011 8:04:35 AM EDT
[#19]
I should have known I wouldn't get any serious responses.
7/5/2011 8:06:13 AM EDT
[#20]
You're an instructor?
7/5/2011 8:13:44 AM EDT
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Glad you and the little girl didn't get bit.
7/5/2011 8:17:16 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.

This.


I havent met an angry dog yet that cant be subdued with a Full Power (tm) punch or kick to the ribs.

There is virtually no reason to shoot a non-rabid dog.
7/5/2011 8:21:14 AM EDT
[#23]
It's a shame you didn't have a massive adrenaline dump. -1 points.
But +1 for using "bladed"
7/5/2011 8:24:35 AM EDT
[#24]
A REAL liberal would have doggie treats in his holster.
7/5/2011 8:29:50 AM EDT
[#25]
No comment until I see a MSPaint of the layout along with any photos of your wife, girlfriend, sister & any legal-aged daughters
7/5/2011 8:30:32 AM EDT
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in reguards to dogs are fast, back in highschool on career day the K9 officer came in and showed off his bomb/attack dog. the bomb part was pretty cool but he allowed one of us to sign a  waiver to get attacked while in the suit. The dog was about 25 feet away and the command of "get him" and point was given the dog was like a rocket, we later were told that at 100 feet only about 20% of swat officers could score ONE hit on an attack dog after drawing before the dog was on them(paint ball guns mind you i would assume k9 dogs are expensive). The K9 handler said that there is a primal human response to snarling agressive animals with teeth and it causes real issues with fine motor skills.
7/5/2011 8:32:10 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.




All those years of ballet paid off, huh?

7/5/2011 8:43:57 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
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I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.

This.


I havent met an angry dog yet that cant be subdued with a Full Power (tm) punch or kick to the ribs.

There is virtually no reason to shoot a non-rabid dog.


How pray tell do you tell if a dog is rabid just by looking at it? Here's what this animal was doing: Chasing down a little girl on a scooter, then chasing after me, all while snarling, barking, growling, and baring it's teeth, nothing about this dog said "please pet me".  Even if it's not rabid you may have no problem getting used as a chew toy if your brilliant "just kick it it ALWAYS works" plan fails but I do.  Also did you miss the part where I could barely walk let alone kick? No offense but that makes about as much sense as saying "If I'm ever mugged I'll just kick him in the groin and run, while blowing my rape whistle, it's much better than shooting him, and it ALWAYS works".  That's like the statement "My baby din' do nuffin' he never would have really shot anyone" You know that how?
7/5/2011 8:49:03 AM EDT
[#29]
How is a guy with a twisted ankle going to "full power ninJI judo chop/kick" a dog in the face?
7/5/2011 1:26:28 PM EDT
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You're an instructor?


Yes, I'm curious what would you have done differently?
7/5/2011 1:40:53 PM EDT
[#31]
So this wasn't  just any dog, but like a werewolf, fang bearing hell-hound?



Why didn't you just go ahead and shoot it?  
7/5/2011 1:43:11 PM EDT
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When I was jogging I always got chased by this one dog.   Last time he chased me I threw a string of firecrackers at it.  He yelped and ran away like a sissy and it never bothered me again.  Dogs hate firecrackers!

 
7/5/2011 1:49:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Wasted opportunity to nd into your own leg op.

Then post vid on YouTube with commentary and slow-mo.


For shame.
7/5/2011 1:57:35 PM EDT
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Wasted opportunity to nd into your own leg op.

Then post vid on YouTube with commentary and slow-mo.


For shame.


I am not a DEA agent, nor do I have dreadlocks.
7/5/2011 2:05:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Disappointed.  Not enough gas station, "head on a swivel", "situational awareness" or freaking out at people for generally behaving like normal human beings tend to behave.
7/5/2011 2:05:22 PM EDT
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Quoted:
When I was jogging I always got chased by this one dog.   Last time he chased me I threw a string of firecrackers at it.  He yelped and ran away like a sissy and it never bothered me again.  Dogs hate firecrackers!  



Not all dogs hate fireworks, doing that shit to one of my pups would have made matters a lot worse. Then again my dogs don't chase little girls, only joggers.
7/5/2011 2:26:00 PM EDT
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When I was jogging I always got chased by this one dog.   Last time he chased me I threw a string of firecrackers at it.  He yelped and ran away like a sissy and it never bothered me again.  Dogs hate firecrackers!  

Not all dogs hate fireworks, doing that shit to one of my pups would have made matters a lot worse. Then again my dogs don't chase little girls, only joggers.



Baseball bats work good as a plan B, a good bash to the head is nice deterrent.  40SW projectiles work well to





 
7/5/2011 2:36:51 PM EDT
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I once hit a lab across the spine with a 2x4 as it was holding a friend's dachshund by the neck and flipping him around like a rag doll.

I hit him as hard as I could 3 times before he even acted like he noticed.  He didn't drop the little dog until he just got tired of it.

So I'll respectfully disagree with the "no reason to shoot a non-rabid dog" crowd.  

Thank God it wasn't a kid the dog decided to mangle.
7/5/2011 2:48:13 PM EDT
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7/5/2011 2:59:05 PM EDT
[#40]
what is the equivalent 21ft rule for dags?



147ft?
7/5/2011 3:12:15 PM EDT
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I have one of those with multiple devices in it.



 
7/5/2011 3:24:16 PM EDT
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Quoted:
what is the equivalent 21ft rule for dags?

147ft?


no kidding. 10 feet, lucky he didn't  end up as a chew toy.
7/6/2011 1:59:50 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
I should have known I wouldn't get any serious responses.


Yeah, welcome to ARFCOM GD.

If you posted this in Team, you would have got serious responses (probably). Out in GD, everyone's seven feet tall, makes a billion dollars a year, dates a supermodel, has a two foot cock, and can shoot deadly laser beams out of their arseholes.

On a serious note, even though I've been flammed in GD for it, carrying pepper spray isn't a bad idea for things like this. There's a lot less chance of overpenetration in a neighborhood if you have to use it.
7/6/2011 3:15:32 AM EDT
[#44]
I'll play...

So what was the twist rate on your ankle? 1/7, 1/9?
7/6/2011 3:18:58 AM EDT
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Quoted:
"drawdown"


7/6/2011 5:12:28 AM EDT
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Quoted:
On a serious note, even though I've been flammed in GD for it, carrying pepper spray isn't a bad idea for things like this.



Lots of people on here advocate it for dogs.



My EOF  goes Yelling > Walking stick (axe handle) > Shoot
 
7/6/2011 5:16:54 AM EDT
[#47]
A friend of mine was attacked by a pack of wild dogs. They came out of nowhere and tore up his one leg pretty well before he shot 3 of them and the rest scattered.

Strange thing was... this occurred in a parking lot in Brooklyn.
7/6/2011 5:18:59 AM EDT
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7/6/2011 5:22:51 AM EDT
[#49]
So when the threat is a dog, do cops shoot the girl?
 
7/6/2011 5:40:42 AM EDT
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Quoted:
I don't get why arfcom has an obsession with shooting angry dogs, but also fears LEO's will shoot their poor little fluffy.

Maybe it's because I'm a big guy, but I've never felt I needed to shoot a dog.  I've been attacked by a large German Shepherd and a very swift kick to the face crumpled that dog and sent it into retreat.


We're not all ninjas.
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