[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Decreased combat pay (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/1/2011 1:28:48 PM EDT
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So my nephew who is stationed in AZ calls me today and tells me that they (.gov) have decided to cut combat pay since there is a less likely chance of them getting killed now versus past figures. First just let me say that I understand that this is probably not the first time that this has happened. Second, anyone on here, or anywhere in this country that feels this is an ok decision needs to have there nuts kicked into their throat. What the F#$k is wrong with this country 
I honestly hate what this country represents now. I love what this contry is supposed to be, but hate most everything about it now. We have white, black, hispanic, european, asian, african, whatever other nationality that lives here sucking the American taxpayer dry, and the .gov decides that they want to cut combat pay. Hope that I didn't offend anyone with the previous sentence  , but I did start it with white people as the first nationality
Well, I haven't seen any attempts made on the president's life, so maybe he doesn't need secret service detail anymore. No I don't want anyone to try and take the president's life, but in my eyes he is no more important than any other person in this country. This country needs to have a HUGE wakeup call. Gosh I wonder who will The Voice. Ryan |
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Quoted: Sounds like BS. It's not BS. They aren't reducing it though he got that part wrong. They are going to pro rate it which I don't have a problem with. The real question here though is why are they making pay cuts on the .mil and not on congress, they do less and get paid more. |
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No he doesn't owe me money. I was upset because he said they were cutting combat pay. I feel that the military doesn't deserve to have any pay cuts, which I know is not what is goint to happen. I apologize if this isn't true, I just assumed since he was active duty that he would know.
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My guess is the Hardship Duty Pay for his present location is being reduced. With OEF and OIF/OND drawing down, this doesn't surprise me. My current HDP is at the lowest possible so I have no sympathy.  Well, pretty soon anyone stationed in the US should qualify for hardship pay 
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Well, you got to admit that the current (previous) way of doing things greatly encouraged gaming of the system. For instance, I arrived in Iraq five minutes before midnight on the last day of that particular month. Got the whole month's $$$. I left on the first day of the month (quite a few months later). Got the whole months $$$. Not that I'm complaining.... But it is understandable that they would finally start pro-rating it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like BS. It's not BS. They aren't reducing it though he got that part wrong. They are going to pro rate it which I don't have a problem with. The real question here though is why are they making pay cuts on the .mil and not on congress, they do less and get paid more. What this means: When a General goes to visit the troops he can get the benefits, just like they do, except he only hangs out a couple of days to a week and then gets back to where no one is likely to shoot at him. Now he only gets imminent danger pay for the days he is actually in theater, rather than a whole month. This also cuts into everybody else for their pay at the beginning and end of a tour, but . . . eh. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Then you've got shitbags joining just for the money and not to serve the nation. Pay is good where it's at right now. Married? You get a free house. Single? Free room in the barracks. Cheap food, free healthcare (3rd rate but better than nothing), and you get to fucking kill people. It's a good life. |
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The latest Marine Corps times was reporting that imminent danger pay is being reduced by paying service members for the actual number of days they are in country as opposed to a flat monthly rate. There are quite a few out there that will make flights into hostile areas just for ONE day so that they rate IDP under the old rules.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/07/military-hostile-fire-pay-changes-070111w/ "The change, which would take effect Oct. 1, would fall mostly on rear-echelon and headquarters staff whose occasional and short visits to a hostile area, such as attending a change-of-command ceremony in Iraq or Afghanistan, provides them the same $225 monthly hostile fire pay that goes to the front-line Marine or soldier facing imminent danger every day of the month. Because changes of command often happen on the first day of a month, someone arriving May 31 to attend a June 1 ceremony would draw $450 — two months of danger pay. Those one- or two-day visitors benefit from what ground combat troops derisively call 'sightseer pay.' " |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. That's on top of their base pay. Just like troops on jump status get a bonus (which I think stacks with the IDP). |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. That's on top of their base pay. Just like troops on jump status get a bonus (which I think stacks with the IDP). They don't get paid enough, period. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. We also get exempted from federal income taxes while deployed or in a combat zone. It IS gamed. I've gotten a full month's tax break + combat pay just for stopping in Qatar for a few hours. It's nice, yeah, but it isn't fair. Proration of the combat pay would be fair and, if we want to save some cash, it is one little thing we can do. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like BS. It's not BS. They aren't reducing it though he got that part wrong. They are going to pro rate it which I don't have a problem with. The real question here though is why are they making pay cuts on the .mil and not on congress, they do less and get paid more. What this means: When a General goes to visit the troops he can get the benefits, just like they do, except he only hangs out a couple of days to a week and then gets back to where no one is likely to shoot at him. Now he only gets imminent danger pay for the days he is actually in theater, rather than a whole month. This also cuts into everybody else for their pay at the beginning and end of a tour, but . . . eh. The $225 isn't why the generals drop in every month. It's to get the Tax-free benefit on their base pay. One day in the AOR gets the whole month exempt. That's a big chunk of change for a General officer. ETA - Boom, Chief....Go ahead, chief...You beat me to it! |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. Problem is right now you can get it even if you in a country (or on the water) where you are not getting shot at or taking IDF. Also many flight crews, senior officers and deployed ships, will in effect cross a line of demarcation once a month in order to get the pay and all their pay tax free for that month. |
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They're paying IDP at a daily rate, instead of a monthly rate, it's currently $225
So instead of a 4 star flying to Bagram on 30 June, for a ceremony on 1 July, and leaving 2 July getting 2 months of combat pay, he'll get 3-4 days of combat pay instead, which is almost not worth filing the paperwork. It will fuck combat troops coming and leaving theatre, because you usually don't show up on the 1st and leave on the 31st. |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Then you've got shitbags joining just for the money and not to serve the nation. Pay is good where it's at right now. Married? You get a free house. Single? Free room in the barracks. Cheap food, free healthcare (3rd rate but better than nothing), and you get to fucking kill people. It's a good life. He pretty much sums it up, its rough as a private but E4 and above make decent pay. |
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True Dat....I cant complain about the pay...I remember being a PV1 making $550.00 a month, times are much better now..Pro-rating it was the right thing to do, why get the whole month if you did only one day.
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Then you've got shitbags joining just for the money and not to serve the nation. Pay is good where it's at right now. Married? You get a free house. Single? Free room in the barracks. Cheap food, free healthcare (3rd rate but better than nothing), and you get to fucking kill people. It's a good life. |
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Sounds like BS. It's not BS. They aren't reducing it though he got that part wrong. They are going to pro rate it which I don't have a problem with. The real question here though is why are they making pay cuts on the .mil and not on congress, they do less and get paid more. What this means: When a General goes to visit the troops he can get the benefits, just like they do, except he only hangs out a couple of days to a week and then gets back to where no one is likely to shoot at him. Now he only gets imminent danger pay for the days he is actually in theater, rather than a whole month. This also cuts into everybody else for their pay at the beginning and end of a tour, but . . . eh. The $225 isn't why the generals drop in every month. It's to get the Tax-free benefit on their base pay. One day in the AOR gets the whole month exempt. That's a big chunk of change for a General officer. Except that officers only get tax exempt pay up to whatever the max pay an enlisted member can get. Which is generally the senior E9 of each service. |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. The problem with this mindset is that we are not allowed to "get out" if they cut our pay and benefits. If they cut my pay today (and I really don't have an issue with pro-rating HFP/IDP), I can't leave for another 5 years. I can request to retire in 4, but they don't have to let me. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like BS. It's not BS. They aren't reducing it though he got that part wrong. They are going to pro rate it which I don't have a problem with. The real question here though is why are they making pay cuts on the .mil and not on congress, they do less and get paid more. What this means: When a General goes to visit the troops he can get the benefits, just like they do, except he only hangs out a couple of days to a week and then gets back to where no one is likely to shoot at him. Now he only gets imminent danger pay for the days he is actually in theater, rather than a whole month. This also cuts into everybody else for their pay at the beginning and end of a tour, but . . . eh. The $225 isn't why the generals drop in every month. It's to get the Tax-free benefit on their base pay. One day in the AOR gets the whole month exempt. That's a big chunk of change for a General officer. Except that officers only get tax exempt pay up to whatever the max pay an enlisted member can get. Which is generally the senior E9 of each service. OK...And that is still a chunk of change.... |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. I must be missing half my paycheck then You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. That's on top of their base pay. Just like troops on jump status get a bonus (which I think stacks with the IDP). Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. The problem with this mindset is that we are not allowed to "get out" if they cut our pay and benefits. If they cut my pay today (and I really don't have an issue with pro-rating HFP/IDP), I can't leave for another 5 years. I can request to retire in 4, but they don't have to let me. Part of the deal. You signed an X year contract, the military can change the terms at will. Would you sign a contract with a bank that can change the contract as they see fit. Probably not. |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. The problem with this mindset is that we are not allowed to "get out" if they cut our pay and benefits. If they cut my pay today (and I really don't have an issue with pro-rating HFP/IDP), I can't leave for another 5 years. I can request to retire in 4, but they don't have to let me. Part of the deal. You signed an X year contract, the military can change the terms at will. Would you sign a contract with a bank that can change the contract as they see fit. Probably not. You sound bitter. |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. The problem with this mindset is that we are not allowed to "get out" if they cut our pay and benefits. If they cut my pay today (and I really don't have an issue with pro-rating HFP/IDP), I can't leave for another 5 years. I can request to retire in 4, but they don't have to let me. Part of the deal. You signed an X year contract, the military can change the terms at will. Would you sign a contract with a bank that can change the contract as they see fit. Probably not. You sound bitter. His username's TUBBY. It's probably a sign.... |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. Some officers get less than 40K a year to deal with shitbags who they cannot shoot. The 70K - 100K a year is a misnomer for all police. |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. The problem with this mindset is that we are not allowed to "get out" if they cut our pay and benefits. If they cut my pay today (and I really don't have an issue with pro-rating HFP/IDP), I can't leave for another 5 years. I can request to retire in 4, but they don't have to let me. Part of the deal. You signed an X year contract, the military can change the terms at will. Would you sign a contract with a bank that can change the contract as they see fit. Probably not. 
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Quoted: I don't think pro rating it is necessarily a bad thing but I can't even begin to fathom the metric shit ton of fuck-ups finance personnel will cause over this. Another day, another .50 cent Ain't that the truth? Fuckups of epic proportions would follow. Hell, I've been back from deployment for three weeks and they haven't even looked at my deployment voucher. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Dude...if it was 10x that...I'd still be in grabbing any and every deployment I could  Where is he stationed in AZ that he's complaining about any kind of imminent danger pays? Only places I can think of out there wouldn't ever have to worry about it... |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Dude...if it was 10x that...I'd still be in grabbing any and every deployment I could
Where is he stationed in AZ that he's complaining about any kind of imminent danger pays? Only places I can think of out there wouldn't ever have to worry about it... Dude if you were crossing the border on the weekends for the donkey show and cervezas you'd be worried about your danger pay to. |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. You guys get $225 per month to walk around shit hole third world countries being shot at? And cops are being paid 70-80-100k per year? And Firefighters? What a fucking farce. Thanks for what you do. um... thats just the EXTRA pay you get for being in a dangerous area. i was being paid a a sergent, married with 3 dependants. my civilian job paid me $16.50 a hour. i made a lot more money on deployment. all pay is tax free, plus combat pay, plus other extras. at the time i was on a second deployment, within a certain time frame, and i received a extra $1000 a month for that.. i seem to remember my average paycheck was over $4000 a month,tax free, before i got that pay increase. my base pay as of right now for a active soldier is $2965.00. thats if your single in the barracks. married, and kids, and living off post its a lot more. id guess close to 4k a month before taxes maybe, in iraq that would jump due to tax free status. i always hate to see soldiers and their families on tv, complaining about money problems, expecially national guardsmen, because your average person, makes a lot more when deployed, than when at home. some people get screwed, who make a lot of cash, or own a business. i have seen guys get military pay, plus full pay from their civilian job as well. they made out like bandits, a spc cleared over 80 g's. ymmv |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Then you've got shitbags joining just for the money and not to serve the nation. Pay is good where it's at right now. Married? You get a free house. Single? Free room in the barracks. Cheap food, free healthcare (3rd rate but better than nothing), and you get to fucking kill people. It's a good life. Yup...folks that complain about .mil pay are idiots. The lower, lower enlisted side of it is intended to replicate coming out of HS pays and responsibility levels...and it does. E-1-4 pay isn't designed for a wife and 3 kids...  As an E-4, single, in the barracks...I never had any issues with money. Even bought my Jeep then...brand new '03 TJ. As an officer things get a little better...but pay is equivalent to starting pay out of college for most any other job. Benefits are definitely better than private sector.. |
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I don't like it. but given who is in the white house/congress/HoR this does not surprise me. that and the piggy bank is empty. The general opinion in the mil forum is it is a good move. There was also a proposal in that forum to create a graduated system for HDIP. For instance, right now the guys in Qatar get the same money as the guys in Afghanistan. So why not make Afghanistan the maximum amount, and then have a medium amount, say $175 a month for the folks in places like Kuwait, the ships off the coast of Iraq, and the guys dealing with pirates off of HOA. Then for the other guys stuck in the middle of the crazy that is the ME, have a $125 a month or so HDIP. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't like it. but given who is in the white house/congress/HoR this does not surprise me. that and the piggy bank is empty. The general opinion in the mil forum is it is a good move. There was also a proposal in that forum to create a graduated system for HDIP. For instance, right now the guys in Qatar get the same money as the guys in Afghanistan. So why not make Afghanistan the maximum amount, and then have a medium amount, say $175 a month for the folks in places like Kuwait, the ships off the coast of Iraq, and the guys dealing with pirates off of HOA. Then for the other guys stuck in the middle of the crazy that is the ME, have a $125 a month or so HDIP. A "danger" scale makes sense. Guys/pulling the same hazard pay as us around Baghdad ('06/'07 reference...not now) made no sense. Many cases, tax free should be enough... I also think it should differ on mission type in places like Afghanistan now. Sitting on KAF isn't equivalent to walking around the poppy fields west of Kandahar. Basically...if you carry a gun because the Army says you have to not because you are probably going to use it...you probably don't need the same danger pays  |
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Military is a job. If you don't like the pay and benefits then get out. There have been a lot of people taking less pay for more work in the private sector. You signed up, not drafted. Riiiiiiiight, because it's just that easy to leave before your enlistment is up. You're talking about the Polish military here, right? Not the U.S. military. Plus I'm not aware of too many private sector jobs where the possibility of getting killed is part of the deal. |
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Immiment Danger Pay is presently $225 a month. It isn't being cut. That's fucking bullshit. Should be 10x that amount at least IMHO. Cut some welfare leeches and give our men who are putting their lives on the line some decent pay. Then you've got shitbags joining just for the money and not to serve the nation. Pay is good where it's at right now. Married? You get a free house. Single? Free room in the barracks. Cheap food, free healthcare (3rd rate but better than nothing), and you get to fucking kill people. It's a good life. Um, dude. I don't even know where to start. Any private sector job (see Triple Canopy, Xe, etc) that requires even an nth of the BS that .mil positions in those shitholes require pays LOTS more.
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In my opinion to a lot of the hive responses in here is that: The military does not get paid enough. Shit bags are already joining for the pay so nothing would change if we got paid more, you are either brave enough to join or you aren't money is irrelevant. I would be happy to get paid a little less then someone in a similar field. Someone in a similar field gets to say whatever they want do whatever they want, they don't sleep in the same room as their boss over seas they aren't on call 24/7 with no overtime, they don't live off MRE's, etc. I'm not complaining this is what I signed up for and I knew what the pay was, but I am saying it would be nice to get paid for the work I do. I get shorted pay on a regular basis. The battle assembly weekends I do are normally a 4 muta weekend. A muta is 4 hours of work. So its supposed to be two 8 hour days. I end up normally doing one 13 hour day and one 14 hour day every month though and I don't get paid for it. Again I didn't join for the money so it only slightly bothers me but it would be nice to get paid what I am owed. |