Posted: 6/21/2011 11:07:39 AM EDT
| I can't make a decision and also can't buy both. Like many others, I'm seeking my validation through the internet. I can get the G19 for $400, which is smoking. But I can also get the P30 for $780. I don't know what to do! |
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I would go with the 19. Parts availability and more holster options coupled with the price would be my deciding factors. You can buy all the parts you might ever need for the Glock for less than $100. Magazines are cheaper as well. Nothing wrong with the HK though. I wouldn't it kick it out of bed so to speak. |
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I have a P30 v2 and only have 2 complaints. First, I need a lighter LEM and second, the slide release is a HUGH lever and I'm constantly applying too much pressure with my stong hand thumb and it prevents it from slide lock. Granted I can change my grip but I like consistency and have no issues with the G19. I am more accurate with the P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon.
That said, I carry a G19 everyday. |
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I have a P30 v2 and only have 2 complaints. First, I need a lighter LEM and second, the slide release is a HUGH lever and I'm constantly applying too much pressure with my stong hand thumb and it prevents it from slide lock. Granted I can change my grip but I like consistency and have no issues with the G19. I am more accurate with the P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon. That said, I carry a G19 everyday. This post is full of WTF The HK is superior but you carry the G19? |
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I have shot both quite a bit. Their both good, but I prefer the G19. I like the trigger better and I shoot with my off hand thumb forward, To do that with the H&k you have to be careful or your thumb will be all over the slide. I don't think you can go wrong with either, but see if you can shoot both to see what you prefer. If they were the same price I"d still buy the Glock... but the p30 would be 2nd. |
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Two great guns there.
I’m biased in that I have thousands of rounds of various flavors through the Glock 19 and it has given me zero issues. I can shoot it well, it has been utterly reliable, magazines are still relatively affordable, if someone makes a holster they make it for the 19, it’s an easily serviced firearm that I can work on myself if I should ever need to, replacement parts are widely available and affordable, etc. I have more than a couple handguns and have shot many others. Several years ago I decided to try the Glock 19 based on its reputation for reliability and it’s seemingly “just right” size for concealment vs shootability (there’s a word for you). I have been nothing but happy with it, not based on internet discussion, but lots of daily carry, lots of training and lots of rounds. It is the epitome of what a defensive handgun should be FOR ME. When I find something that does the job better, I will switch to that. In the mean time I have bought another G19 and a lot of ammo and training. G19 for the win and so on and so forth….. |
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I have a P30 v2 and only have 2 complaints. First, I need a lighter LEM and second, the slide release is a HUGH lever and I'm constantly applying too much pressure with my stong hand thumb and it prevents it from slide lock. Granted I can change my grip but I like consistency and have no issues with the G19. I am more accurate with the P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon. That said, I carry a G19 everyday. This post is full of WTF The HK is superior but you carry the G19? *sigh* please point to where I stated the G19 was not a good weapon. also, please google "imho" kthx |
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I have a P30 v2 and only have 2 complaints. First, I need a lighter LEM The springs to change the weight of the LEM trigger are available from H&K. Installing the non-LEM mainspring in the gun makes a world of difference. You can also get lighter springs for the firing pin block. Call up H&K and they'll set you up. and second, the slide release is a HUGH lever and I'm constantly applying too much pressure with my stong hand thumb and it prevents it from slide lock. 1. Try different grip panel combinations to see which one gives you the least problem with the slide lock. I spent 4 hours on the range when I bought my P30s working on that to find the right combo for my hands. It works very well. 2. You're going to have to adjust some things about your grip when you pick up a new pistol. It's unavoidable. As for the original question: Glocks are designed to deliver durability and reliability at an affordable pricepoint. H&K P30's are designed to deliver durability and reliability and come in at a higher pricepoint. Glock proof-tests their barrels. H&K double proof-tests their barrels...but so far I'm unaware of any evidence that Glock barrels have any less of a service life than P30 barrels. H&K P30 springs are designed to go 25,000 rounds between replacement...and replacing some of them is hard. Glock springs need to be changed more often, but Glocks are designed to be simple and easy to work on and the replacement springs are usually cheap as chips. H&K's are designed with the most adjustable grip available on any semi-auto handgun. Glocks aren't as adjustable...but that doesn't seem to slow down a lot of Glock shooters. H&K P30s generally exhibit better than average mechanical accuracy...but I've seen good shooters knock down 6" steel plates at 100 yards with a Glock 19. ...see what I mean? There are certainly differences between the P30 and a Glock 19, but do those differences really matter for your intended use? The primary reasons I use the P30 are: 1. I carry AIWB and I like having a hammer I can positively control to prevent any possibility of shooting myself while reholstering a gun aimed at my femoral artery 2. Glock slides bite me to the point where I bleed profusely within a couple hundred rounds of shooting one, making training difficult Were it not for those issues I'd probably be carrying a Glock 17 or 19 simply because they work, they're easy to work on, and at least in the past they were reliable. Glock has recently dicked around with their 9mm guns introducing some uncertainty they didn't use to suffer from, especially on the 19's. |
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Quoted: P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon. Define "superior built" and let us also know how you came to that conclusion. The reason I ask is because I've seen people pick up guns, kind of weigh them in their hands, and decide the better built gun was the one that weighed more, or even worse, the one that had the nicer finish. OP, both are quality guns. Rent or borrow one of each and give both a decent workout and decide which fits both your hands and which you shoot the best. Also take into account the extra mags and ammo, or the training you can buy with the difference in price.
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I have a P30 v2 and only have 2 complaints. First, I need a lighter LEM and second, the slide release is a HUGH lever and I'm constantly applying too much pressure with my stong hand thumb and it prevents it from slide lock. Granted I can change my grip but I like consistency and have no issues with the G19. I am more accurate with the P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon. That said, I carry a G19 everyday. This post is full of WTF The HK is superior but you carry the G19? *sigh* please point to where I stated the G19 was not a good weapon. also, please google "imho" kthx It was a bit of a joke |
| When I bought my Glock 19 I had the choice of any handgun I wanted. I looked at the HK's and although nice, did not like the grip angle as well as the heavy top. In addition, the HK does not hold as many rounds. For the cost of the HK you can buy the G19 with extra mags, a mag holder, holster and ammo. I love my G19. One gun I will NEVER sell. |
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P30 and imho it is definitely a superior built weapon. Define "superior built" and let us also know how you came to that conclusion. The reason I ask is because I've seen people pick up guns, kind of weigh them in their hands, and decide the better built gun was the one that weighed more, or even worse, the one that had the nicer finish. OP, both are quality guns. Rent or borrow one of each and give both a decent workout and decide which fits both your hands and which you shoot the best. Also take into account the extra mags and ammo, or the training you can buy with the difference in price. barrel lock up, slide-to-frame, grip, guide rod, etc... all make it a superior gun IMHO jeez, I'm not raggin the G19, I love both of them. I just happen to think the HK is of higher quality. OP seemed to ask for experience to help make up his mind so I gave my .02. It's just that MY opinion, not anyone elses. Try to share personal experience and it starts stormin. 
and thanks JW |