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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:31:14 AM EDT
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I support this. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Infantrymen are not gun fighters? Define gunfighter. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:32:36 AM EDT
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No
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:35:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:36:05 AM EDT
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Operator
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:37:27 AM EDT
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I can understand the hate.
Just during the week in the next town over (about 10 miles away), the owner of an insurance agency shot and killed two Dept. of Insurance investigators who had come to shut down his business. He had been in trouble with the DOI for nearly 3 years. He ended up offing himself as cops surrounded his place of business. The local paper even printed out that "SWAT operators" had been called in to surround the office. 
LC ETA: My Dad was an operator, it even said so on his company coveralls. Operators, Inc., a Division of Tenneco. He was a lease operator and later a safety man offshore. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:40:29 AM EDT
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I can understand the hate. Just during the week in the next town over (about 10 miles away), the owner of an insurance agency shot and killed two Dept. of Insurance investigators who had come to shut down his business. He had been in trouble with the DOI for nearly 3 years. He ended up offing himself as cops surrounded his place of business. The local paper even printed out that "SWAT operators" had been called in to surround the office.
LC ETA: My Dad was an operator, it even said so on his company coveralls. Operators, Inc., a Division of Tenneco. He was a lease operator and later a safety man offshore. Great... more overuse of SWAT teams. Using them for insurance fraud is way over the line. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:40:45 AM EDT
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OP
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:42:56 AM EDT
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This is the operator for Mr Floyd from Mr Floyd. Close... "Yes, a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd. Will you accept the charges from the United States" ByteTheBullet (-: |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:43:30 AM EDT
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I support this. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Infantrymen are not gun fighters? Define gunfighter. As a former infantryman I see your point, but because of that experience I know the other functions and missions line infantry trains for. Im speaking specifically about men who train full time for direct action missions. It's about the missions and who performs them, not the fact that firing a rifle is in the job description. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:47:57 AM EDT
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I can understand the hate. Just during the week in the next town over (about 10 miles away), the owner of an insurance agency shot and killed two Dept. of Insurance investigators who had come to shut down his business. He had been in trouble with the DOI for nearly 3 years. He ended up offing himself as cops surrounded his place of business. The local paper even printed out that "SWAT operators" had been called in to surround the office.
LC ETA: My Dad was an operator, it even said so on his company coveralls. Operators, Inc., a Division of Tenneco. He was a lease operator and later a safety man offshore. Great... more overuse of SWAT teams. Using them for insurance fraud is way over the line. Well, they were only called in after the insurance agent killed the two DOI investigators, so it's kinda hard for me to argue with calling them in. It usually goes like this: local cops, then state cops, then the nearest town that has a SWAT team. In these little podunk towns here, you're not going to get some $10-$12 an hour cop to risk his life against someone with a gun. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it goes. But I do think that the militarization of the police is getting way out of hand in some places. LC ETA: I am still trying to find out if the insurance investigators were armed. It does not sound like it, but I bet DOI is going to change that quickly. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Well, you have just over 200 posts.
You make all the new rules around here |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:52:49 AM EDT
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But if we don't call them operators then how will we distinguish them from regular warfighters? Beards & massive mustaches. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:57:15 AM EDT
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As an "Operator" of the Dark Side, I find your lack of faith disturbing.....
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Posted: 6/10/2011 11:58:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:00:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:03:05 PM EDT
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ghey
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:05:31 PM EDT
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Can I be exempt?
I am an actual, verified, bonafide, certified operator. Boom Operator, that is.  |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:07:28 PM EDT
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Is an overused rub your own dick in public word to make people think you you are hot shit special......oh yeah larue an other gun peddlers use it to sell rifles priced out of the reach of most
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:08:49 PM EDT
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What if we really are an "Operator", and choose to refer to ourselves in the third person? Operator Skg_Mre_Lght requests that we look a little deeper into this matter?  Jimmy likes Elaine |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:10:00 PM EDT
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I am a ( Vagina Operator ) dose this count ????
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:12:09 PM EDT
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 In HK manuals, the "operator" is simply the user/shooter. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:12:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: i am hereby formally requesting that this abhorrent word be purged from ARFCOM vernacular. I roll my eyes every time I hear it outside of a mocking, "tier 1" joke context. Seriously. OR, if the word is too dear to ban, allow us to formally define it in terms of a shooter's/cop's/soldier's qualifications and credentials. Otherwise, it will continually be abused as a way to reference any asshole who's taken a shooting class. While I personally agree with you, I have to ask you a question. What's your plan when Arf mocks you and ignores your request? |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:15:07 PM EDT
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This is the operator for Mr Floyd from Mr Floyd. Close... "Yes, a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd. Will you accept the charges from the United States" ByteTheBullet (-: He keeps hanging up |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:16:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: I am a ( Vagina Operator ) dose this count ???? If you like letting everyone know you operate your vagina, the more power to you. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:20:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:21:04 PM EDT
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That word shall be replaced by "grilled cheese sandwich" from this day forward. To easy to confuse with Vagina...we can't be referring to Operators as "Grilled Cheese Sammiches". Why shouldn't you eat a girl out the morning after sex? Have you ever tried pulling apart a grilled cheese sandwich? |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:23:01 PM EDT
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This operator can't walk far enough to not park in a handicap spot? 
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:25:12 PM EDT
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This is Arfcom. We are all Big Time Operators.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:37:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:37:49 PM EDT
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This is the operator for Mr Floyd from Mr Floyd. Close... "Yes, a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd. Will you accept the charges from the United States" ByteTheBullet (-: He keeps hanging up But it's a man answering. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:41:58 PM EDT
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Anyone who makes a machine operate is an operator. When I operate my vehicle, I am an operator. When I operate my computer, I am a computer operator.
Why, just the other day I was operating my motor vehicle when I saw another motor vehicle operator crash her car into other vehicle being operated by an operator. She was a tier 2 operator obviously. operator, operator, operator. Shit, now I want to remake the Monty Python Spam skit. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:42:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:43:55 PM EDT
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What in the hell should I say when I press 0 now?
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:46:39 PM EDT
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Operator should only be used when describing SEALs, Delta, Special Forces, and a few other elite units. SWAT too, maybe. THAT"S IT. Regular soldiers and cops are just that soldiers and cops, not operators. Competitive shooters are not operators. In my view, only the elite of the elite military and police units are operators.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:47:43 PM EDT
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i'm going to the operating room tomorrow to be operated on by an operator and afterwards the assistant operators will make sure the operators work doesn't get infected which would require the operator to open up the operation and re-operate on the operation. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:48:07 PM EDT
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You must not be much of an operator.
Operator. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:49:49 PM EDT
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Roger that. Wilco. Operator out.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:51:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:52:02 PM EDT
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Laserjet Printer Repairmen ? SpongeBob Squarepants watcher. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:55:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: That's fucking hilarious, I like the way you Operate.I support this. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 12:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:00:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: This operator can't walk far enough to not park in a handicap spot? And guess where the pic was taken? Why none other than WALMART! |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:03:40 PM EDT
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I support this. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Infantrymen are not gun fighters? Define gunfighter. This... Do 11Bs count? How about 19Ds? How about a19K stuck doing dismounted patrols, humping the SAW? Not everyone who gets in a gunfight gets to be a super secret Delta Seal Space Shuttle Door Gunner... Edit - nevermind - I see you already clarified your definition... Double edit, Operator out... 
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: I support this. Type stupid things. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Intel? EOD? >used the word gunfighter, -50 pts< I'm in full agreement that the word is overused though. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:25:37 PM EDT
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I support this. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything That's silly, because what you are suggesting is as completely arbitrary as the current over-use. It seems to me that the term "operator" originates as a reference to someone from special operations, which I guess would be people that are under the SOCOM structure. Thus, by that original "definition" - it doesn't matter if someone is a "gunfighter" or what functions they perform "outside the wire" or in any other situations. If they are not part of the Special Operations community, they cannot be an operator. Of course, by that definition, a Chinook mechanic from the 160th SOAR is an operator, and a bad-ass Marine force recon guy with 20 years experience in hairy combat situations is not. Therefore, since ANY kind of definition is either going to (a) piss off a bunch of people (b) be arbitrary and subjective ... it seems relatively pointless to want to limit or restrict the use of the term. It seems to me that people who KNOW what it really means, don't care - and people who don't know, aren't going to understand the distinction anyway. So it's pointless to try to make a big deal over the use of a word like this. Just my opinion - worth what you paid for it. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:26:48 PM EDT
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I support this. Type stupid things. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Intel? EOD? >used the word gunfighter, -50 pts< I'm in full agreement that the word is overused though. uh-oh...sounds like someone needs to go down to the S-1 and file a Hurt Feelings Report. And to the dutchman: It's not about SOCOM or what kind of unit you are in or who that unit is subordinate to. It's about the kinds of missions assigned and the authority bestowed on that individual or team to execute that mission. Its about the breadth of your skill set not your position on the TO&E. It was always typically used as an understated compliment among peers, now it's a buzzword like "tactical". You know what, fuck it, I don't care. Ever been in the army?...you're an OPERATOR. Did you take a carbine class from a goatbang county sherrif deputy who has never actually used his carbine?... you're an OPERATOR. Are you a goatbang county sherrif deputy who has never actually used his carbine...you're an OPERATOR. YAAAAY |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:28:55 PM EDT
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I support this. Type stupid things. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Intel? EOD? >used the word gunfighter, -50 pts< I'm in full agreement that the word is overused though. uh-oh...sounds like someone needs to go down to the S-1 and file a Hurt Feelings Report. Is that a 2256 stroke 6 form? |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:31:16 PM EDT
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And while you are at it stop saying kit. Or Piece of Kit. Or, Good Kit.
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:32:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I support this. Type stupid things. Operator should only apply to professional gunfighters and people who perform technical and specialized combat support functions outside the wire (recon, intel, special ops medics, eod etc) Who is NOT an operator: -Line infantry -SWAT cops (possible exception if the dept is big enough for a full time team) -Federal LEOs that are not members of HRT or NEST -Regular cops with a trunk full of shit they don't need but it was "free" thanks to a grant -Guys who take tactical training as a hobby but haven't actually done anything -Guys who teach tactical training but haven't actually done anything Intel? EOD? >used the word gunfighter, -50 pts< I'm in full agreement that the word is overused though. uh-oh...sounds like someone needs to go down to the S-1 and file a Hurt Feelings Report. No thanks. After all,you don't come bothering me where I work. |
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Posted: 6/10/2011 1:35:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: And while you are at it stop saying kit. Or Piece of Kit. Or, Good Kit. Unless you're British. I think thats their thing. Like how we say gear. |
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